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MattW03
lemmy.ca
MattW03@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-06-29 |
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village604
adultswim.fan
village604@adultswim.fan Joined: 2025-09-27 |
Is a heating element actually 100% efficient, though? |
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TheFogan
programming.dev
TheFogan@programming.dev Joined: 2023-07-12 |
Is a heating element actually 100% efficient, though?
Some of the energy is converted to light. |
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DaddleDew
lemmy.world
DaddleDew@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-08 |
Some of the energy is converted to light.
Which unless it goes out through a window would eventually be turned into heat anyway, right? |
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AnarchoEngineer
lemmy.dbzer0.com
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-04 |
Resistive heaters still suck though because Heat pumps give you 200-400% efficiency. So heating wise, “100%” still less than maximally efficient. (Not a violation of thermodynamics btw. Heat pumps use electricity to move heat energy that already exists, so the electric power in is often significantly smaller than the heat coming out of the device) |
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marcos
lemmy.world
marcos@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
It will still lose some energy on the wires. |
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TheTechnician27
lemmy.world
TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-07-25 |
Resistive heaters still suck though because Heat pumps give you 200-400% efficiency. So heating wise, “100%” still less than maximally efficient. (Not a violation of thermodynamics btw. Heat pumps use electricity to move heat energy that already exists, so the electric power in is often significantly smaller than the heat coming out of the device)
One is not directly beneath the other. Both have their place. |
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einfach_orangensaft
sh.itjust.works
einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-08 |
Some of the energy is converted to light.
100% of the energy is converted to light, its just in the IR spectrum. Unless u feed the heater with AC power then you are also generating magnetic fields/radio waves....but those are also just photons (light) with a very long wavelengh..... |
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Zachariah
lemmy.world
Zachariah@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Yeah, this is why it makes me irate that my oven automatically turns off the light when I open the door. If the oven is on, let me turn off the light if I want it off. The light and the “waste” heat from the light are both useful. |
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antsu
discuss.tchncs.de
antsu@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2025-09-05 |
I'm not well-versed on this topic, but doesn't the AC frequency cause alternating fields in the heating element, making it vibrate slightly? If that's correct, then you're losing an incredibly stupidly tiny amount of energy as sound too. |
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call_me_xale
lemmy.zip
call_me_xale@lemmy.zip Joined: 2023-07-23 |
I'm not well-versed on this topic, but doesn't the AC frequency cause alternating fields in the heating element, making it vibrate slightly? If that's correct, then you're losing an incredibly stupidly tiny amount of energy as sound too.
Even sound energy eventually ends up as heat, though! |
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AnarchoEngineer
lemmy.dbzer0.com
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-04 |
Resistive heaters still suck though Resistive heaters are much more portable and flexible. (edit: and quiet) Resistive heaters are a viable backup when heat pumps fail in extremely cold weather. Resistive heaters are less money upfront for if you only have to use them occasionally. One is not directly beneath the other. Both have their place.
Fair enough, do we need to extend this heater solidarity to combustibles as well? I mean technically they’re infinitely electrically efficient if you don’t use electricity to start them lol |
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sem
piefed.blahaj.zone
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-09-04 |
Fair enough, do we need to extend this heater solidarity to combustibles as well? I mean technically they’re infinitely electrically efficient if you don’t use electricity to start them lol
For niche cases like when you're on a camping trip and made a campfire |
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wander1236
sh.itjust.works
wander1236@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-09 |
It will still lose some energy on the wires.
As heat |
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wander1236
sh.itjust.works
wander1236@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-09 |
Resistive heaters still suck though because Heat pumps give you 200-400% efficiency. So heating wise, “100%” still less than maximally efficient. (Not a violation of thermodynamics btw. Heat pumps use electricity to move heat energy that already exists, so the electric power in is often significantly smaller than the heat coming out of the device)
Did someone say heat pumps?
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Munkisquisher
lemmy.nz
Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz Joined: 2023-07-01 |
I'm not well-versed on this topic, but doesn't the AC frequency cause alternating fields in the heating element, making it vibrate slightly? If that's correct, then you're losing an incredibly stupidly tiny amount of energy as sound too.
And that satisfying glow is losses as light, which will do some heating, but not as efficiently |
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BeMoreCareful
lemmy.world
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
I'm so happy this man nerded out about heat pumps for a few hours. But now, all I see is inferior heaters. |
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marcos
lemmy.world
marcos@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
As heat
Probably not heating what you want. |
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rockSlayer
lemmy.blahaj.zone
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-02-24 |
I'm so happy this man nerded out about heat pumps for a few hours. But now, all I see is inferior heaters.
It's the burden of knowledge |
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UninvestedCuriosity
lemmy.world
UninvestedCuriosity@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-03 |
This man taught us that heaters are indeed about as efficient as you can get in turning energy into heat through a little thing called resistance. |
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ParlimentOfDoom
piefed.zip
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-09-26 |
Those give off light. Still not efficient |
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Martineski
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-09-07 |
100% of the energy is converted to light, its just in the IR spectrum. Unless u feed the heater with AC power then you are also generating magnetic fields/radio waves....but those are also just photons (light) with a very long wavelengh.....
You reminded me of a certain video (or videos?) on quantum fields that I watched a few months back. Truly fascinating subject. |
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W98BSoD
lemmy.dbzer0.com
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-01-30 |
I'm so happy this man nerded out about heat pumps for a few hours. But now, all I see is inferior heaters.
And this one is….. 1600 watts. Surely this “large” room heater will be……. Siiiixxxxteen hundred watts. |
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BurgerBaron
piefed.social
BurgerBaron@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-25 |
Which unless it goes out through a window would eventually be turned into heat anyway, right?
Yeah it's still thermal radiation, us being able to see it isn't a disqualifier :p |
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FuglyDuck
lemmy.world
FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-15 |
The air around it will expand and move, too. More fun than the losses from the heat glow… because can argue if that really is a loss or a feature |
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wander1236
sh.itjust.works
wander1236@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-09 |
Probably not heating what you want.
Unless your heater's cable is ridiculously long, it'll be in the right area. The wires in the wall aren't part of the heater and don't factor into its efficiency. |
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turdas
suppo.fi
turdas@suppo.fi Joined: 2023-06-17 |
100% of the energy is converted to light, its just in the IR spectrum. Unless u feed the heater with AC power then you are also generating magnetic fields/radio waves....but those are also just photons (light) with a very long wavelengh.....
Space heaters mostly heat by convective heating, where the heat energy is transferred from the element to the air molecules around it. This doesn't involve infrared radiation (though in practice it is involved because any object above 0 K radiates infrared). |
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Lost_My_Mind
lemmy.world
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-05-07 |
I'm so happy this man nerded out about heat pumps for a few hours. But now, all I see is inferior heaters.
.......HOURS??? |
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Wolf314159
startrek.website
Wolf314159@startrek.website Joined: 2024-07-03 |
Yeah, this is why it makes me irate that my oven automatically turns off the light when I open the door. If the oven is on, let me turn off the light if I want it off. The light and the “waste” heat from the light are both useful.
Odd design choice. My oven turns the light on when the door is opened (in addition to a manual option). Maybe somebody "repaired" your oven at some point and replaced the door switch for the light with the wrong type? I had to be aware of this when I replaced a similar switch connected to a relay that turned a light on in a closet when you opened the door. I don't remember the specific jargon at the moment, but it boiled down to whether or not the switch was open or closed by the action of depressing the switch. I think the language might have been something like normally open or normally closed. |
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cenzorrll
piefed.ca
cenzorrll@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-07-10 |
.......HOURS???
Bro's got multiple, hour+ long, videos about various types of heat pumps. |
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YellowParenti
lemmy.wtf
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf Joined: 2025-01-22 |
Bro's got multiple, hour+ long, videos about various types of heat pumps.
And somehow im riveted. Doesn't feel like droning on. I wish I could communicate like him. |
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Orygin
sh.itjust.works
Orygin@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-10 |
.......HOURS???
Hours of videos about dishwashers too |
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SmoothLiquidation
lemmy.world
SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
And that satisfying glow is losses as light, which will do some heating, but not as efficiently
Unless it is visible to the window at which point the light escapes and doesn’t heat your house 100% efficiently |
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DaGeek247
fedia.io
DaGeek247@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-02-16 |
Is a heating element actually 100% efficient, though?
Heat pumps move heat from outside to inside, and they use less energy than the amount that is brought into the insulated area, resulting in efficiency numbers over 100%. (less energy used than the amount brought inside was used to bring the inside energy levels up) |
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Rivalarrival
lemmy.today
Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayJoined: 2023-06-11 |
Those give off light. Still not efficient
Only if that light escapes through a window. Otherwise, it is heat. |
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xthexder
l.sw0.com
xthexder@l.sw0.comJoined: 2023-07-09 |
And that satisfying glow is losses as light, which will do some heating, but not as efficiently
There's a whole class of electric heater that do this intentionally. Radiant heaters are awesome for outdoor patios and other spaces like uninsulated garages where you care more about heating surfaces than the air itself. |
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xthexder
l.sw0.com
xthexder@l.sw0.comJoined: 2023-07-09 |
Unless it is visible to the window at which point the light escapes and doesn’t heat your house 100% efficiently
Most of the heating energy would actually be IR, which many types of window glass will be designed to reflect. It probably depends on what kind of coatings are used. Basically all car windows block IR to help keep the inside of the car cool in the sun. |
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Captain Aggravated
sh.itjust.works
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-20 |
Hours of videos about dishwashers too
He videoed about dishwashers so hard he's got his own line of dish detergent now. |
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Zachariah
lemmy.world
Zachariah@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Odd design choice. My oven turns the light on when the door is opened (in addition to a manual option). Maybe somebody "repaired" your oven at some point and replaced the door switch for the light with the wrong type? I had to be aware of this when I replaced a similar switch connected to a relay that turned a light on in a closet when you opened the door. I don't remember the specific jargon a...
I should have said it’s on when open, but turns off every time I close it whether the oven is on or not. So if I’m baking and turn on the light when I'm preheating, then I open the door to put the food in and close it to cook it, the light is then turned off automatically. Then I need to turn it back on, so I can keep an eye on things. And if I have to open the door during the baking process—like to flip something—it’s turned back off again when I close the door, and I have to turn it back on again. I’d have no problem if it’s this when the oven was off. But when it’s on, it’s pointless. |
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Deconceptualist
leminal.space
Deconceptualist@leminal.space Joined: 2025-06-29 |
Yep, every electric device is a toaster, some are just super inefficient at it. |
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BillyClark
piefed.social
BillyClark@piefed.social Joined: 2026-01-21 |
Odd design choice. My oven turns the light on when the door is opened (in addition to a manual option). Maybe somebody "repaired" your oven at some point and replaced the door switch for the light with the wrong type? I had to be aware of this when I replaced a similar switch connected to a relay that turned a light on in a closet when you opened the door. I don't remember the specific jargon a...
I assume they had a typo and said that the light goes off when they open the door, but they meant it goes off when they close the door. |
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Waraugh
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2023-07-03 |
There's a whole class of electric heater that do this intentionally. Radiant heaters are awesome for outdoor patios and other spaces like uninsulated garages where you care more about heating surfaces than the air itself.
I don’t know why but as much as I’ve read about radiant heaters to try understanding them your random comment I read here is what it took for things to finally click into place for me. I really love those ah ha moments. Just wanted to say thank you. |
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krashmo
lemmy.world
krashmo@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
I'm so happy this man nerded out about heat pumps for a few hours. But now, all I see is inferior heaters.
Who is that? I love heat pumps too and would happily listen to someone talk about them for hours |
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humble_boatsman
sh.itjust.works
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2025-01-15 |
Name? Favorite link? |
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dustyData
lemmy.world
dustyData@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
Who is that? I love heat pumps too and would happily listen to someone talk about them for hours
Search YouTube or revanced or whatever other free service for Technology connections, also the alt channel Technology Connextras. |
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ryannathans
aussie.zone
ryannathans@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-09-20 |
Resistive heaters still suck though because Heat pumps give you 200-400% efficiency. So heating wise, “100%” still less than maximally efficient. (Not a violation of thermodynamics btw. Heat pumps use electricity to move heat energy that already exists, so the electric power in is often significantly smaller than the heat coming out of the device)
They're not 100% either, they make noises and emit light. That's loss |
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YerbaYerba
lemmy.zip
YerbaYerba@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
Is a heating element actually 100% efficient, though?
It practically is. An incandescent lightbulb is a slightly inefficient resistance heater since it emits some power as visible light. That probably ends up as heat in the room when it's absorbed anyway. |
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AnarchoEngineer
lemmy.dbzer0.com
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-04 |
They're not 100% either, they make noises and emit light. That's loss
well considering everything over 0K emits light I guess there really is no 100% efficient electric machine |
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krashmo
lemmy.world
krashmo@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Search YouTube or revanced or whatever other free service for Technology connections, also the alt channel Technology Connextras.
Gracias |
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spicy pancake
lemmy.zip
janus2@lemmy.zipJoined: 2023-06-27 |
Who is that? I love heat pumps too and would happily listen to someone talk about them for hours
boy are you one of today's lucky 10,000! |
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spicy pancake
lemmy.zip
janus2@lemmy.zipJoined: 2023-06-27 |
I'm so happy this man nerded out about heat pumps for a few hours. But now, all I see is inferior heaters.
I'm so happy he's become an internet phenomenon that warrants reaction images now lol |
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