Link: https://www.extremetech.com/index.php/mobile/motorola-partners-with-grapheneos-to-bring-google-free-android-alternative

Its always good to try!

A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops

Samsung? They will not give a shit it huge corp

GrapheneOS doesn't like Fairphone very much it seems...

Both tantalizingly close with respect to GrapheneOS. I wouldn't expect Samsung to ever support the other two, but their phones are supposed to have every security element GOS expects. Only problem is that Samsung wants to make their own walled-garden ecosystem a la Apple.

I do remember reading somewhere that GrapheneOS are open to someone making a GSI (generic system image) port that would work with phones like Fairphone, which GOS don't want to officially support due to a lack of security features. I wonder if anyone has started work on such a thing.

what led you to this conclusion?

That's true but you never know maybe in future they will. Definitely don't see them doing it now. It would definitely be a hop on the wagon moment for them

Sure would be the toppiest of tops!

We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too!

Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered

Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want!

Hmmm, maybe something like this:
https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/

I'f put my money on a repairable Huawei phone

How, though?

Fairphone has their own with /e/OS

Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone?

I wish we have more choice for linux phone

I remember the GrapheneOS team saying that they won't bring their OS to Fairphone, because the Fairphones don't bring hardware support for security measures the GrapheneOS team doesn't want to compromise on.

Ya. Short term Motorola for Graphene, long term any that support postmarketos

Definitely feels like a supply chain issue on parts for Fairphone to have this position. Hopefully Fairphone, GrapheneOS, and hardware venders can work this out on a later model.

Take anything the lead dev of GrapheneOS says with a grain of salt. He's a little... Um, special.

The short term is forked android. The long term is a Linux distribution, new or otherwise. It doesn't seem reasonable to assume that the proprietary blobs in Android will get reverse engineered.

While his perceptions of other people's motives and meanings may be suspect, his technical analysis seems pretty spot on.

Fairphone should focus on helping the Linux options move along, no need waste resources on GOS, just another android ROM

Long term android should die off in place of Linux but its a long road

Have UT running on a Nord phone, they have made good strides over the years, appreciate their dedication

OEM's

Or just OEMs, even.

His technical chops are without question. However he has been so over the top obnoxious to MANY other leaders in the privacy space. He really hurts his own cause by refusing to acknowledge there are other threat models that can be solved with other answers.

It 👏 should 👏 be 👏 the 👏 law 👏 .

I don't know how they managed to sneak locking a system to a single boot loader. And what about Qualcomm chips? They have a hypervisor OS, you say? A small operating system that can read all your memory? Updated as firmware?

Great, forcibly open source that system as well and tell them once and for all that they can fuck off. No, you don't get to control another persons property - you disgusting goblin.

Either that, or ban the sale of such devices permanently across Europe.

These fuckers don't let you unlock the bootloader, so they can burn for all I care. So far, google have the best record, then oneplus, fairphone and alike (easy to unlock the bootloader, no point or ability to relock with custom keys), then mb xiaomi (beg corporate overlords for the ability to unlock the bootloader on YOUR FUCKING PHONE) and slmsung (loose the option to unlock the bootloader on newer firmware versions, loose security features on older ones), and then huawei/crapple who don't let you unlock the bootloader at all

the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol

they not wrong, but there's better ways to inform other people.

Well I understand your point but don't think google will remain the 1st in your rankings for much time

Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically?

I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw).

Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker

Honestly if I had to deal with degooglers and Linux fanboys as much as he did I'd probably go batshit insane. Kudos to him

I owned a fairphone with e/os but what murena does feels a bit overbearing so i would be really happy about more support for other choices (also im planning/hoping to use the old phone as a small server after putting some linux on it and removing the unneccesarry hardware after setup wich would be greatly helped with proper support)

So yes: they have their own

But: options

There is also shiftphone. Thats less extreme to fairphone when it comes to fairness but very repairable

One might argue it would be more difficult to do if you're not a little paranoid.

Fairphone? perhaps. Samsung? hell naw. Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware.
But I do hope hope that Fairphone begins to embrace Linux support.

Has anyone heard word if Moto is still planning on rolling out flagship phones with e/OS by 2027 still?

Hardware should be software agnostic

EU petition?

That too! I covered that in another of my recent posts on the Europe community on here

That is a big thing Europe can at least make happen and in Asian/African/Latin countries too.

I like your addition though that is all facts!! Let's keep pushing countries to make that happen.

To make them undo what Google is trying to do currently and what Apple does for long time to have all those devices be fully changeable for the OS

Needs to become a movement everywhere!!! Just as StooKillingGames, and the KeepAndroidOpen movements

We need a catchy name for it

I wonder why they don't want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that

What is the bottleneck holding Fairphone back from supporting Linux fully?

Very true. Covered that in my post on Europe

Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple.

That will definitely be the focus. If Europe people can mandate making Android and Apple Ecosystems be opened to having real GNU/Linux or anything else they want to be able to be put on it then that would make huge changes to getting that to happen

I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone)

What are your use cases?

I heard Graphene. They’re doing e/OS as well?

If there's enough pushback, they'll eventually either do it or they'll die.

Qualcomm

Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other

Exactly. This was less important before the internet got ubiquitous, but nowadays, when manufacturers can screw you remotely, it's very important.

This kind of vertical integration, where a single entity controls both hardware and software shouldn't exist.

At least one. Just one actively manufactured phone with full hardware support 🙏