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We should push other phone OEM's such as Fairphone and Samsung to work with PostmarketOS, GrapheneOS, and Ubuntu Touch
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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
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Its always good to try!

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thomasshikari lemmy.world thomasshikari@lemmy.world
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A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops

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anon5621 lemmy.ml anon5621@lemmy.ml
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Samsung? They will not give a shit it huge corp

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Goodlucksil lemmy.dbzer0.com Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops

GrapheneOS doesn't like Fairphone very much it seems...

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monovergent lemmy.ml monovergent@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-11-27
#5 · (edited) Quote Reply

Both tantalizingly close with respect to GrapheneOS. I wouldn't expect Samsung to ever support the other two, but their phones are supposed to have every security element GOS expects. Only problem is that Samsung wants to make their own walled-garden ecosystem a la Apple.

I do remember reading somewhere that GrapheneOS are open to someone making a GSI (generic system image) port that would work with phones like Fairphone, which GOS don't want to officially support due to a lack of security features. I wonder if anyone has started work on such a thing.

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eldavi lemmy.ml eldavi@lemmy.ml
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GrapheneOS doesn't like Fairphone very much it seems...

what led you to this conclusion?

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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-03-31
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Samsung? They will not give a shit it huge corp

That's true but you never know maybe in future they will. Definitely don't see them doing it now. It would definitely be a hop on the wagon moment for them

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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
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A Fairphone with GrapheneOS would be the tops

Sure would be the toppiest of tops!

We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too!

Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered

Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want!

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Boo! Haunted House! lemmy.world lemmyng@lemmy.world
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what led you to this conclusion?

Hmmm, maybe something like this:
https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/

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SocialistVibes01 lemmy.ml SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-04-30
#10 · Quote Reply

I'f put my money on a repairable Huawei phone

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dieTasse feddit.org dieTasse@feddit.org
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#11 · Quote Reply

How, though?

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Scrubbles poptalk.scrubbles.tech scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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#12 · Quote Reply

Fairphone has their own with /e/OS

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Gloomy mander.xyz Gloomy@mander.xyz
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Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/

Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone?

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Rod_Orm piefed.world Rod_Orm@piefed.world
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#14 · Quote Reply

I wish we have more choice for linux phone

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Quacksalber sh.itjust.works Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-18
#15 · (edited) Quote Reply

I remember the GrapheneOS team saying that they won't bring their OS to Fairphone, because the Fairphones don't bring hardware support for security measures the GrapheneOS team doesn't want to compromise on.

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Stupendous lemmy.world Stupendous@lemmy.world
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Ya. Short term Motorola for Graphene, long term any that support postmarketos

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apfelwoiSchoppen lemmy.world apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-01
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I remember the GrapheneOS team saying that they won't bring their OS to Fairphone, because the Fairphones don't bring hardware support for security measures the GrapheneOS team doesn't want to compromise on.

Definitely feels like a supply chain issue on parts for Fairphone to have this position. Hopefully Fairphone, GrapheneOS, and hardware venders can work this out on a later model.

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unknownuserunknownlocation kbin.earth unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth
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I remember the GrapheneOS team saying that they won't bring their OS to Fairphone, because the Fairphones don't bring hardware support for security measures the GrapheneOS team doesn't want to compromise on.

Take anything the lead dev of GrapheneOS says with a grain of salt. He's a little... Um, special.

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apfelwoiSchoppen lemmy.world apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
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The short term is forked android. The long term is a Linux distribution, new or otherwise. It doesn't seem reasonable to assume that the proprietary blobs in Android will get reverse engineered.

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eksb programming.dev eksb@programming.dev
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#20 · Quote Reply

Take anything the lead dev of GrapheneOS says with a grain of salt. He's a little... Um, special.

While his perceptions of other people's motives and meanings may be suspect, his technical analysis seems pretty spot on.

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BrilliantBadger piefed.ca BrilliantBadger@piefed.ca
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Fairphone should focus on helping the Linux options move along, no need waste resources on GOS, just another android ROM

Long term android should die off in place of Linux but its a long road

Have UT running on a Nord phone, they have made good strides over the years, appreciate their dedication

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corsicanguppy lemmy.ca corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-06-12
#22 · Quote Reply

OEM's

Or just OEMs, even.

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Delascas feddit.uk Delascas@feddit.uk
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#23 · Quote Reply

While his perceptions of other people's motives and meanings may be suspect, his technical analysis seems pretty spot on.

His technical chops are without question. However he has been so over the top obnoxious to MANY other leaders in the privacy space. He really hurts his own cause by refusing to acknowledge there are other threat models that can be solved with other answers.

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Big Baby Thor sopuli.xyz thorhop@sopuli.xyz
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#24 · Quote Reply

It πŸ‘ should πŸ‘ be πŸ‘ the πŸ‘ law πŸ‘ .

I don't know how they managed to sneak locking a system to a single boot loader. And what about Qualcomm chips? They have a hypervisor OS, you say? A small operating system that can read all your memory? Updated as firmware?

Great, forcibly open source that system as well and tell them once and for all that they can fuck off. No, you don't get to control another persons property - you disgusting goblin.

Either that, or ban the sale of such devices permanently across Europe.

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HyperfocusSurfer lemmy.dbzer0.com HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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I'f put my money on a repairable Huawei phone

These fuckers don't let you unlock the bootloader, so they can burn for all I care. So far, google have the best record, then oneplus, fairphone and alike (easy to unlock the bootloader, no point or ability to relock with custom keys), then mb xiaomi (beg corporate overlords for the ability to unlock the bootloader on YOUR FUCKING PHONE) and slmsung (loose the option to unlock the bootloader on newer firmware versions, loose security features on older ones), and then huawei/crapple who don't let you unlock the bootloader at all

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eldavi lemmy.ml eldavi@lemmy.ml
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#26 · (edited) Quote Reply

Hmmm, maybe something like this: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-murena-software-response-grapheneos-claims-3579637/

the graphene people never fail to stir pot. lol

they not wrong, but there's better ways to inform other people.

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SocialistVibes01 lemmy.ml SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml
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These fuckers don't let you unlock the bootloader, so they can burn for all I care. So far, google have the best record, then oneplus, fairphone and alike (easy to unlock the bootloader, no point or ability to relock with custom keys), then mb xiaomi (beg corporate overlords for the ability to unlock the bootloader on YOUR FUCKING PHONE) and slmsung (loose the option to unlock the bootloader on...

Well I understand your point but don't think google will remain the 1st in your rankings for much time

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Creat discuss.tchncs.de Creat@discuss.tchncs.de
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Isn't /e/os (murena) a seperate company from fairphone?

Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically?

I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw).

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favoredponcho lemmy.zip favoredponcho@lemmy.zip
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#29 · Quote Reply

His technical chops are without question. However he has been so over the top obnoxious to MANY other leaders in the privacy space. He really hurts his own cause by refusing to acknowledge there are other threat models that can be solved with other answers.
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illi piefed.social illi@piefed.social
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#30 · Quote Reply

Sure would be the toppiest of tops! We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too! Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want!

Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker

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Captain Beyond linkage.ds8.zone beyond@linkage.ds8.zone
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#31 · Quote Reply

While his perceptions of other people's motives and meanings may be suspect, his technical analysis seems pretty spot on.

Honestly if I had to deal with degooglers and Linux fanboys as much as he did I'd probably go batshit insane. Kudos to him

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Little8Lost lemmy.world Little8Lost@lemmy.world
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#32 · Quote Reply

Fairphone has their own with /e/OS

I owned a fairphone with e/os but what murena does feels a bit overbearing so i would be really happy about more support for other choices (also im planning/hoping to use the old phone as a small server after putting some linux on it and removing the unneccesarry hardware after setup wich would be greatly helped with proper support)

So yes: they have their own

But: options

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Little8Lost lemmy.world Little8Lost@lemmy.world
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#33 · Quote Reply

I'f put my money on a repairable Huawei phone

There is also shiftphone. Thats less extreme to fairphone when it comes to fairness but very repairable

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mangaskahn lemmy.world mangaskahn@lemmy.world
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#34 · Quote Reply

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One might argue it would be more difficult to do if you're not a little paranoid.

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pineapple lemmy.ml pineapple@lemmy.ml
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#35 · Quote Reply

Fairphone? perhaps. Samsung? hell naw. Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware.
But I do hope hope that Fairphone begins to embrace Linux support.

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Oodlenoodlenoo lemmy.zip Oodlenoodlenoo@lemmy.zip
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Has anyone heard word if Moto is still planning on rolling out flagship phones with e/OS by 2027 still?

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Glitch lemmy.dbzer0.com Glitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#37 · Quote Reply

Hardware should be software agnostic

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Evil_Shrubbery thelemmy.club Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club
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#38 · Quote Reply

EU petition?

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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
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#39 · (edited) Quote Reply

It πŸ‘ should πŸ‘ be πŸ‘ the πŸ‘ law πŸ‘ . I don't know how they managed to sneak locking a system to a single boot loader. And what about Qualcomm chips? They have a hypervisor OS, you say? A small operating system that can read all your memory? Updated as firmware? Great, forcibly open source that system as well and tell them once and for all that they can fuck off. No, you don't get to control another...

That too! I covered that in another of my recent posts on the Europe community on here

That is a big thing Europe can at least make happen and in Asian/African/Latin countries too.

I like your addition though that is all facts!! Let's keep pushing countries to make that happen.

To make them undo what Google is trying to do currently and what Apple does for long time to have all those devices be fully changeable for the OS

Needs to become a movement everywhere!!! Just as StooKillingGames, and the KeepAndroidOpen movements

We need a catchy name for it

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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
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#40 · Quote Reply

Afaik Fairphone is not interested in implementing some security features that GrapheneOS people consider a deal breaker

I wonder why they don't want to, its not really in Fairphones to not do that

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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
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#41 · Quote Reply

Fairphone? perhaps. Samsung? hell naw. Samsung heavily benefits from the spyware it builds into One UI and 99% of its user base do not care about the spyware. But I do hope hope that Fairphone begins to embrace Linux support.

What is the bottleneck holding Fairphone back from supporting Linux fully?

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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
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#42 · Quote Reply

Hardware should be software agnostic

Very true. Covered that in my post on Europe

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thomasshikari lemmy.world thomasshikari@lemmy.world
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#43 · Quote Reply

Sure would be the toppiest of tops! We can encourage them to work together in their official communication channels too! Would be good for both of them on every level. GrapheneOS learning to make their own phones, and Fairphone learning to make an OS while both being partnered Edit: Be the change you want to see everybody!! Flood the gates with what we want!

Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple.

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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
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#44 · Quote Reply

The short term is forked android. The long term is a Linux distribution, new or otherwise. It doesn't seem reasonable to assume that the proprietary blobs in Android will get reverse engineered.

That will definitely be the focus. If Europe people can mandate making Android and Apple Ecosystems be opened to having real GNU/Linux or anything else they want to be able to be put on it then that would make huge changes to getting that to happen

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viov lemmy.world viov@lemmy.world
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#45 · Quote Reply

Graphene already has a partnership with Motorola now so the assumption is some time (I’ve seen 2027 speculated) we may get a Graphene Phone from Motorola. Mixed feelings about them partnering with a company like that but we’ll see how it goes. I still keep thinking about finally getting a secondhand pixel 10 so I can switch to Graphene from apple.

I would recommend it. Very worth it overall (As a user of a similar Pixel phone)

What are your use cases?

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chris links.openriver.net chris@links.openriver.net
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#46 · Quote Reply

Has anyone heard word if Moto is still planning on rolling out flagship phones with e/OS by 2027 still?

I heard Graphene. They’re doing e/OS as well?

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ilinamorato lemmy.world ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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#47 · Quote Reply

Samsung? They will not give a shit it huge corp

If there's enough pushback, they'll eventually either do it or they'll die.

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ThyTTY lemmy.world dabu@lemmy.world
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#48 · Quote Reply

What is the bottleneck holding Fairphone back from supporting Linux fully?

Qualcomm

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ThyTTY lemmy.world dabu@lemmy.world
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#49 · Quote Reply

Yes, and I don't know if it could even be classed as a collaboration. They just buy them and resell them with different firmware, basically? I assume some part of acceptance is required for that in practice, but it isn't like Fairphone ever advertised them as an official option (as far as I can tell or saw).

Well, Fairphone sells phones with e/OS preinstalled on their website so at the very least they like each other

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NekuSoul lemmy.nekusoul.de nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de
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#50 · Quote Reply

Hardware should be software agnostic

Exactly. This was less important before the internet got ubiquitous, but nowadays, when manufacturers can screw you remotely, it's very important.

This kind of vertical integration, where a single entity controls both hardware and software shouldn't exist.

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smileyhead sh.itjust.works smileyhead@sh.itjust.works
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#51 · Quote Reply

I wish we have more choice for linux phone

At least one. Just one actively manufactured phone with full hardware support πŸ™

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