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pelespirit
sh.itjust.works
pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-14 |
For the first time ever, solar is set to generate more electricity than coal in the power market managed by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas. Nobody is building new coal power plants in the state, but developers are adding more solar there than anywhere else in the country. As a result of those diverging trajectories, the federal government expects ERCOT will receive 78 billion kilowatt-hours from solar in 2026, and just 60 from coal. This trend does have seasonal variations. Last year, solar output beat coal on a monthly basis from March through August, and this year it is expected to do so from March through December, per the US Energy Information Administration at the Department of Energy. |
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TrackinDaKraken
lemmy.world
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-02-26 |
Makes sense, lots of open land and lots of sun. Just don't tell MAGAs. |
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SeeMarkFly
lemmy.ml
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-02-02 |
Oil has not been kind to Texas. Greed took control. |
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UnderpantsWeevil
lemmy.world
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Business friendly energy hungry state with enormous plots of undeveloped real estate does the logical thing. News At Eleven Incidentally, NGL plants are being built out rapidly in Texas for a tangential reason. Unlike with coal, an NGL plant can turn itself off and on quickly and easily. Consequently, when the sun is shining, NGLs can turn off rather than selling electricity into a cheap market. And when it is night/overcast, they turn on to make up the difference |
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HobbitFoot
thelemmy.club
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Given the major blackouts the state had recently, I'm not surprised. |
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WalleyeWarrior
midwest.social
WalleyeWarrior@midwest.socialJoined: 2026-01-03 |
Business friendly energy hungry state with enormous plots of undeveloped real estate does the logical thing. News At Eleven Incidentally, NGL plants are being built out rapidly in Texas for a tangential reason. Unlike with coal, an NGL plant can turn itself off and on quickly and easily. Consequently, when the sun is shining, NGLs can turn off rather than selling electricity into a cheap market...
Natural gas can also use efficient modern turbines. Coal plants are a nonstarter in the modern era because they run so dirty with impurities that you have to use shitty turbines that are down for maintenance cleaning all the time. |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
Natural gas can also use efficient modern turbines. Coal plants are a nonstarter in the modern era because they run so dirty with impurities that you have to use shitty turbines that are down for maintenance cleaning all the time.
Natural gas turbines can bypass the need to boil water and drive steam turbines, because the actual combustion of the gas creates the rotational energy directly. Steam turbines are pretty great, though. Not sure how the rest of a coal plant operates, but the turbines themselves shouldn't be touching any combustion byproduct. |
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ashenone
lemmy.ml
ashenone@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-12-18 |
Makes sense, lots of open land and lots of sun. Just don't tell MAGAs.
Solar energy just needs to rebrand to space coal or solar oil to cut through the red tape |
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Makeitstop
lemmy.world
Makeitstop@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-06 |
Solar energy just needs to rebrand to space coal or solar oil to cut through the red tape
SkyFuel™ |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
No one has ideology, morality or conscience, the millisecond renewables are cheaper, they will take over. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Makes sense, lots of open land and lots of sun. Just don't tell MAGAs.
uhh...solar panels give me a headache! |
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someguy3
lemmy.world
someguy3@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
Texas lines up with the Sahara desert. Cheap land. The economics are insane. |
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someguy3
lemmy.world
someguy3@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
Natural gas turbines can bypass the need to boil water and drive steam turbines, because the actual combustion of the gas creates the rotational energy directly. Steam turbines are pretty great, though. Not sure how the rest of a coal plant operates, but the turbines themselves shouldn't be touching any combustion byproduct.
I believe they also recover the heat to boil water to run steam turbines. Double the turbines. |
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gandalf_der_12te
discuss.tchncs.de
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2024-01-12 |
No one has ideology, morality or conscience, the millisecond renewables are cheaper, they will take over.
well said that being said, china subsidized solar panel production heavily for 20 years until they became economically self-sustaining. so there was a large amount of ideology involved i'd say. so this mostly applies to the buyers of solar panels. |
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gandalf_der_12te
discuss.tchncs.de
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2024-01-12 |
Solar energy just needs to rebrand to space coal or solar oil to cut through the red tape
space-based fusion technology or maybe just something blunt like "fresh, renewable coal". it's family friendly and 100% jesus-conforming.
coincidence? i think not
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tburkhol
slrpnk.net
tburkhol@slrpnk.net Joined: 2026-05-01 |
Solar energy just needs to rebrand to space coal or solar oil to cut through the red tape
The Radiance of God. |
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gandalf_der_12te
discuss.tchncs.de
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2024-01-12 |
Business friendly energy hungry state with enormous plots of undeveloped real estate does the logical thing. News At Eleven Incidentally, NGL plants are being built out rapidly in Texas for a tangential reason. Unlike with coal, an NGL plant can turn itself off and on quickly and easily. Consequently, when the sun is shining, NGLs can turn off rather than selling electricity into a cheap market...
NGL is yet another TLA (three letter acronym) tell us what it means at least once! |
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towerful
programming.dev
towerful@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-30 |
Solar energy just needs to rebrand to space coal or solar oil to cut through the red tape
It's fusion energy, without the water boiling |
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The D Quuuuuill
slrpnk.net
Quill7513@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-06-26 |
well said that being said, china subsidized solar panel production heavily for 20 years until they became economically self-sustaining. so there was a large amount of ideology involved i'd say. so this mostly applies to the buyers of solar panels.
economists were calling for the US to do that the whole time, too, for exactly the reason that eventually something becomes the cheaper way to do something and then everyone does it. every era of innovation has been kicked off by public investment into technology that hasn't a profit right now but someday will. the government is supposed to take a 10-30 outlook on things and act accordingly because corporations never will. they only ever look 4 months into the future. but then, if you've been alive long enough, you probably recognize that if the government can't, or doesn't, take that long term view then the government is useless at protecting you from business and that business is just fucking you over for blood money |
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voxthefox
lemmy.blahaj.zone
voxthefox@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-05-05 |
Given the major blackouts the state had recently, I'm not surprised.
Texas Gov actually tried to blame the winter blackouts on solar & wind rather than ngl power plants in the region not being properly winterized thus freezing up in their biggest time of need. |
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ltxrtquq
lemmy.ml
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-10 |
NGL is yet another TLA (three letter acronym) tell us what it means at least once!
Natural Gas Liquids. I remember seeing Liquid Natural Gas quite a bit, but I guess we can just shuffle the letters around however we want. Edit: If you want to know the difference (more details here)
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isleepinahammock
lemmy.blahaj.zone
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-09-06 |
No one has ideology, morality or conscience, the millisecond renewables are cheaper, they will take over.
Did you know that during the 18th and 19th century industrial revolution in Britain, coal never became cheaper than water power? All those new steam engines were used to make deeper mines more viable and to increase production. But water power remained cheaper throughout. But water power came with a downside. Available water power tended to be located in rural areas. The smaller population in these small towns consequently had a lot of labor bargaining power. Industrialists instead wanted access to the labor markets of the major cities, cities brimming over with new urban poor desperate for any scrap of work they could get. Cheaper labor overcame cheaper power. A coal plant could be put anywhere, while a water mill could only be positioned on high-flowing streams. Renewables are cheaper, but we've been here before. There's more to this than just energy cost. |
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Agent641
lemmy.world
Agent641@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-12 |
Makes sense, lots of open land and lots of sun. Just don't tell MAGAs.
"Woke libtards are STEALING all the sunlight from Texas to power their satanic abortion machines!" |
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SaharaMaleikuhm
feddit.org
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-23 |
space-based fusion technology or maybe just something blunt like "fresh, renewable coal". it's family friendly and 100% jesus-conforming. coincidence? i think not
Jesus would have loved solar, I'm pretty sure. |
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SaharaMaleikuhm
feddit.org
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-23 |
uhh...solar panels give me a headache!
The infra noise! |
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Seth Taylor
lemmy.world
SethTaylor@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-04-06 |
No one has ideology, morality or conscience, the millisecond renewables are cheaper, they will take over.
Happened recently in conservative Romania |
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Womble
piefed.world
Womble@piefed.world Joined: 2025-07-10 |
Did you know that during the 18th and 19th century industrial revolution in Britain, coal never became cheaper than water power? All those new steam engines were used to make deeper mines more viable and to increase production. But water power remained cheaper throughout. But water power came with a downside. Available water power tended to be located in rural areas. The smaller population in t...
Do you have any source for that? I find it difficult to believe that the only reason for using steam over water mills was the dastardly exploitation by capitalists. |
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HugeNerd
lemmy.ca
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-06 |
No one has ideology, morality or conscience, the millisecond renewables are cheaper, they will take over.
Electricity doesn't fertilize crops or generate plastics or chemical feedstocks or fly you across the Atlantic in six hours. Having free renewable electricity in a world of 8+ billion people and dwindling fossil fuels is like running your fridge for free, but it's empty. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Electricity doesn't fertilize crops or generate plastics or chemical feedstocks or fly you across the Atlantic in six hours. Having free renewable electricity in a world of 8+ billion people and dwindling fossil fuels is like running your fridge for free, but it's empty.
Uh...electricity makes fertilizers, runs water pumps for sprinklers and refines all the fuel. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Do you have any source for that? I find it difficult to believe that the only reason for using steam over water mills was the dastardly exploitation by capitalists.
Water mills only produced a set amount of power that could be increased orders of magnitude by coal and steam. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
It's fusion energy, without the water boiling
Or the trillion dollars sitting in France that might work in 30 years. |
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UnderpantsWeevil
lemmy.world
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-14 |
NGL is yet another TLA (three letter acronym) tell us what it means at least once!
Sorry. Natural Gas Liquids. Some combination of methane, ethane, isobutane, and propane, which are compressed/chilled to a liquid state for transportation and used to power electric generators. |
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Impound4017
sh.itjust.works
Impound4017@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-10-09 |
well said that being said, china subsidized solar panel production heavily for 20 years until they became economically self-sustaining. so there was a large amount of ideology involved i'd say. so this mostly applies to the buyers of solar panels.
That one probably isn’t really ideology so much as strategic necessity. To my understanding, China is a major energy importer, with a dependence on fossil fuels coming in via the South China Sea. They’re in an exceptionally vulnerable position because a blockade wouldn’t be particularly difficult to implement there (at least, if their opponent is the US), so any degree of energy independence they can give themselves is imperative. |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
Jesus would have loved solar, I'm pretty sure.
"I am the way, the truth, and the LIGHT" Every photovoltaic cell is actually doing the job of a priest blessing communion. By the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, all that copper wire is actually transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of Christ. This is the WAY. And that's God's Honest Truth, yep 👍 |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
The infra noise!
Meanwhile, coal plants go Wirrrrrr! |
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jaykrown
lemmy.world
jaykrown@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-20 |
They can't stop it, it's hilarious. Good news. |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
That one probably isn’t really ideology so much as strategic necessity. To my understanding, China is a major energy importer, with a dependence on fossil fuels coming in via the South China Sea. They’re in an exceptionally vulnerable position because a blockade wouldn’t be particularly difficult to implement there (at least, if their opponent is the US), so any degree of energy independence th...
They've also maintained a hundred-year plan since at least the 90s. At any given moment, their strategic policy is looking so far ahead that everyone in the government will be dead and their grandkids will be old by the time it comes to term. US politics can't seem to past the four-year election cycle. Biden tried with the Green New Deal, Build Back Better, and CHIPS, but you see where those landed. Severely diminished bills that narrowly passed and were among the first things on the chopping block when his successor entered office. And yet people call it a grift because it would have taken at least 8-10 years to see the results even if it hadn't been dismantled. The amount of systemic change that needs to happen in the political and economic landscape realistically cannot happen in under four years from start to finish. It will require long-term investments in infrastructure projects that take years to build, which means at some point voters are gonna have to be patient and stop flipping sides whenever conditions don't materially improve overnight. In other words, we're fucked... |
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BigTwerp
feddit.uk
BigTwerp@feddit.uk Joined: 2023-10-29 |
As someone who has never been to Texas, I associate Texas with unrelenting sun and vast tracts of uninhabitable land with little or no environmental value (ok that bit is hyperbole, I know deserts are in fact a delicate ecosystem but you get the idea). Or in other words, perfect solar panel real estate. So what's stopping them taking advantage of all the almost free energy! |
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pelespirit
sh.itjust.works
pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-14 |
As someone who has never been to Texas, I associate Texas with unrelenting sun and vast tracts of uninhabitable land with little or no environmental value (ok that bit is hyperbole, I know deserts are in fact a delicate ecosystem but you get the idea). Or in other words, perfect solar panel real estate. So what's stopping them taking advantage of all the almost free energy!
It's woke. |
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roundup5381
sh.itjust.works
roundup5381@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-05-18 |
No one has ideology, morality or conscience, the millisecond renewables are cheaper, they will take over.
Renewables are already cheaper*, wind and solar. *depending on where you are in the world. |
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gandalf_der_12te
discuss.tchncs.de
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2024-01-12 |
Electricity doesn't fertilize crops or generate plastics or chemical feedstocks or fly you across the Atlantic in six hours. Having free renewable electricity in a world of 8+ billion people and dwindling fossil fuels is like running your fridge for free, but it's empty.
ehh, the actual technology where liquid oil / fuels are required are like 3% of all total energy consumption. the rest 97% can be electrified, and actually, using electricity is in many cases even simpler than using coal. for example in steel production. it's easier to do with electricity than coal because coal contains sulfur and that introduces impurities into your chemical process. meanwhile electrolysis is simple and clean. |
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gandalf_der_12te
discuss.tchncs.de
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2024-01-12 |
Did you know that during the 18th and 19th century industrial revolution in Britain, coal never became cheaper than water power? All those new steam engines were used to make deeper mines more viable and to increase production. But water power remained cheaper throughout. But water power came with a downside. Available water power tended to be located in rural areas. The smaller population in t...
yeah, IIRC, in 2000, renewable oil from rape seed was still cheaper than fossil oil. however renewable oil was banned politically sothat there's no food vs fuel debate tearing society apart. the question really is more complicated than simply the cost. that being said, solar panels can be put anywhere, including near big cities, and transporting electricity over distances has also gotten easier in the last 200 years, so that's not an argument for coal anymore. |
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gandalf_der_12te
discuss.tchncs.de
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2024-01-12 |
They've also maintained a hundred-year plan since at least the 90s. At any given moment, their strategic policy is looking so far ahead that everyone in the government will be dead and their grandkids will be old by the time it comes to term. US politics can't seem to past the four-year election cycle. Biden tried with the Green New Deal, Build Back Better, and CHIPS, but you see where those la...
yeah the US really needs to learn (possibly the hard way) that there needs to be a political plan for the industry. in the 20th century apparently it could do fine without that, but that just doesn't work anymore. you can't have efficient industry without a long-term plan. |
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8oow3291d
feddit.dk
8oow3291d@feddit.dk Joined: 2026-03-18 |
No one has ideology, morality or conscience, the millisecond renewables are cheaper, they will take over.
Not true. Trump is actively sabotaging wind as we speak. Trump is doing vice signaling, not economics.
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8oow3291d
feddit.dk
8oow3291d@feddit.dk Joined: 2026-03-18 |
As someone who has never been to Texas, I associate Texas with unrelenting sun and vast tracts of uninhabitable land with little or no environmental value (ok that bit is hyperbole, I know deserts are in fact a delicate ecosystem but you get the idea). Or in other words, perfect solar panel real estate. So what's stopping them taking advantage of all the almost free energy!
As I understand it, the partial shade created by solar panels will often be a plus for the ecology of the land below solar panels. Especially in a sun scorched place like Texas. |
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8oow3291d
feddit.dk
8oow3291d@feddit.dk Joined: 2026-03-18 |
They can't stop it, it's hilarious. Good news.
It is utterly sad that they want to stop it, to burn more coal. |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
The amount of systemic change that needs to happen in the political and economic landscape realistically cannot happen in under four years from start to finish. It will require long-term investments in infrastructure projects that take years to build, which means at some point voters are gonna have to be patient and stop flipping sides whenever conditions don’t materially improve overnight. In ...
Yup, I agree wholeheartedly. Major industries, especially ones that provide basic necessities and utilities (and I'm including web access in that, because let's be honest), should all be considered public services anyway and should be provided for with tax dollars and centralized planning accountable to the constituencies. |
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gandalf_der_12te
discuss.tchncs.de
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2024-01-12 |
Yup, I agree wholeheartedly. Major industries, especially ones that provide basic necessities and utilities (and I'm including web access in that, because let's be honest), should all be considered public services anyway and should be provided for with tax dollars and centralized planning accountable to the constituencies.
i'll include:
all at the communal level, responsible to the citizens |
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RememberTheApollo_
lemmy.world
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-26 |
As someone who has never been to Texas, I associate Texas with unrelenting sun and vast tracts of uninhabitable land with little or no environmental value (ok that bit is hyperbole, I know deserts are in fact a delicate ecosystem but you get the idea). Or in other words, perfect solar panel real estate. So what's stopping them taking advantage of all the almost free energy!
Hail. |
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bridgeburner
lemmy.world
bridgeburner@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-30 |
Now MAGAs will blame the cold winters on renewables because solar panels stole all the sunlight and warmth. |
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Prizefighter
lemmy.world
Prizefighter@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-03 |
Now MAGAs will blame the cold winters on renewables because solar panels stole all the sunlight and warmth.
Please don't give the idiots something new to complain about. |
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