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StrawberryPigtails
lemmy.sdf.org
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Chippys_mittens
lemmy.world
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-09-29 |
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dhork
lemmy.world
dhork@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
I wonder where they came up with that number? On the one hand, it seems quite large. But on the other hand, in some markets simply having 150 units under management would push you over that limit. |
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osaerisxero
kbin.melroy.org
osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.orgJoined: 2024-08-14 |
I wonder where they came up with that number? On the one hand, it seems quite large. But on the other hand, in some markets simply having 150 units under management would push you over that limit.
I imagine it's something like 'grab the 99th percential of home prices in the US and average it, then round to a nice number'. There are some (though very few) single structures classified as single-family homes which would push you over that limit. |
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protist
mander.xyz
protist@mander.xyz Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Lmao |
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rafoix
lemmy.zip
rafoix@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-18 |
How about making the law “cannot buy a single family home unless no single family are actively bidding for the property for at least 6 months” |
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hansolo
lemmy.today
hansolo@lemmy.todayJoined: 2025-06-07 |
It would also task the Justice Department's antitrust division, which brings civil suits to quash alleged anticompetitive practices, with enforcing the law. Lmao
Might as well say invisible unicorns will enforce this. |
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MIDItheKID
lemmy.world
MIDItheKID@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-22 |
So instead we get gigantic investment funds spinning up hundreds of LLCs named things like BRIIINKLW like those shitty Amazon brands. They funnel each one of them 140m, and control a bunch of small individual businesses through an "outsourced" MSP that handles all of the business side and is also owned by them, but because they don't own the properties or the assets, it doesn't matter. Money gets funneled the way money gets funneled, through investments and donations etc. |
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ReluctantMuskrat
lemmy.world
ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-05 |
How about making the law “cannot buy a single family home unless no single family are actively bidding for the property for at least 6 months”
Problem is the seller can just collude with the investment firm, jack up the price so regular people aren't bidding and wait out the 6 months. |
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Asafum
lemmy.world
Asafum@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-20 |
Bipartisan because they know it's just a feel good thing that will do nothing.
https://www.npr.org/sections/planet-money/2025/09/09/g-s1-87699/private-equity-corporate-landlords Also in that article, Erb is a piece of shit. "It's everyone's fault but mine. I'm just offering a service!" Fuck you Erb. |
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Fermion
feddit.nl
Fermion@feddit.nl Joined: 2023-07-20 |
I think I'd rather see this adressed on the property tax side with a homestead tax exemption. Let counties and municipalities significantly raise property tax rates then offer homestead tax rebates to the primary resident. Maybe even offer a monthly rebate to match rent/mortgage payments. Rent would go up, but the rebate should match the rent increase. This would make empty units, short term rentals, and vacation home more expensive to hold on to compared to being pccupied by a long term resident. This would also let each region decide on the ratio of occupied vs unoccupied net property tax rates to dial in what works for them. A coastal community might have a much different equilibrium point than a suburb to a big city for example. A lot of areas already have homestead exemptions for seniors and low income residents, so it doesn't even require much in terms of new legal frameworks. |
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thisorthatorwhatever
lemmy.world
thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-10 |
Do it! Pass it! |
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thisorthatorwhatever
lemmy.world
thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-10 |
Bipartisan because they know it's just a feel good thing that will do nothing. "institutional investors own a very small slice of single-family homes in the United States. As the chief economist at the real estate platform Redfin, Fairweather says investors purchase about 17% of homes. But most of those purchases are by mom-and-pop investors, not big firms like Blackstone. Institutional investo...
2% seems like a large number, that is 1 out of every 50 homes. That's 1 house on every street. |
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pelespirit
sh.itjust.works
pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-14 |
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Or decide that no investment funds could do it. Why should they be able to do it at all? These homes should be for residents. |
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tidderuuf
lemmy.world
tidderuuf@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-08-28 |
Might as well say invisible unicorns will enforce this.
Oh come on it's not like there is a corrupted pedophile protector running that place... Oh shit. |
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Chippys_mittens
lemmy.world
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-09-29 |
Or decide that no investment funds could do it. Why should they be able to do it at all? These homes should be for residents.
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Lka1988
sh.itjust.works
lka1988@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-09 |
So instead we get gigantic investment funds spinning up hundreds of LLCs named things like BRIIINKLW like those shitty Amazon brands. They funnel each one of them 140m, and control a bunch of small individual businesses through an "outsourced" MSP that handles all of the business side and is also owned by them, but because they don't own the properties or the assets, it doesn't matter. Money ge...
That has to be illegal somehow. A multi-billion dollar entity should not be able to spin up any LLCs. LLCs are for small businesses owned by people local to that area (except Montana tax loophole LLCs - that shit needs to be closed, too, geeting real sick of seeing douchebags driving giant lifted "business" trucks or goddamn supercars with Montana plates in not-Montana). |
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justOnePersistentKbinPlease
fedia.io
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io Joined: 2024-09-06 |
I think I'd rather see this adressed on the property tax side with a homestead tax exemption. Let counties and municipalities significantly raise property tax rates then offer homestead tax rebates to the primary resident. Maybe even offer a monthly rebate to match rent/mortgage payments. Rent would go up, but the rebate should match the rent increase. This would make empty units, short term re...
They'll do the same things that various foreign investors already do in British Columbia. They have family members "own" properties but never record any income. Thats the most common one. |
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Lka1988
sh.itjust.works
lka1988@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-09 |
I think I'd rather see this adressed on the property tax side with a homestead tax exemption. Let counties and municipalities significantly raise property tax rates then offer homestead tax rebates to the primary resident. Maybe even offer a monthly rebate to match rent/mortgage payments. Rent would go up, but the rebate should match the rent increase. This would make empty units, short term re...
As a renter, that will absolutely backfire on us. Rent is already expensive as shit, I'm paying almost double for my current place than I was for my last place. Both were single-family homes. |
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dhork
lemmy.world
dhork@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
I think I'd rather see this adressed on the property tax side with a homestead tax exemption. Let counties and municipalities significantly raise property tax rates then offer homestead tax rebates to the primary resident. Maybe even offer a monthly rebate to match rent/mortgage payments. Rent would go up, but the rebate should match the rent increase. This would make empty units, short term re...
The problem with that is that it doesn't do anything on the front end, with private equity outbidding families in the first place. Yes, it makes it more expensive for the corp after the sale, but all that does is justify raising rents. I'm not sure whether this proposal will accomplish what it intends to do, but at least the intent is to limit the ability of these private firms to buy up inventory in the first place. |
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Veedem
lemmy.world
Veedem@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-25 |
Pass the bill and the refine it over time. People will find loop holes and then those can be closed as needed. Laws don’t need to be perfect at first pass, but getting it on the books would be a huge shift in the right direction. |
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pelespirit
sh.itjust.works
pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-14 |
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And apartment buildings less than 20 units. |
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dhork
lemmy.world
dhork@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
That has to be illegal somehow. A multi-billion dollar entity should not be able to spin up any LLCs. LLCs are for small businesses owned by people local to that area (except Montana tax loophole LLCs - that shit needs to be closed, too, geeting real sick of seeing douchebags driving giant lifted "business" trucks or goddamn supercars with Montana plates in not-Montana).
Corporations are People now, though. So telling a multi-billion entity they can't do something that a small local business can is discrimination against corporate persons. Won't anyone think of the corporations? |
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Fermion
feddit.nl
Fermion@feddit.nl Joined: 2023-07-20 |
Let counties and municipalities significantly raise property tax rates then offer homestead tax rebates to the primary resident. Maybe even offer a monthly rebate to match rent/mortgage payments. Rent would go up, but the rebate should match the rent increase. As a renter, that will absolutely backfire on us. Rent is already expensive as shit, I'm paying almost double for my current place than ...
Currently, large corporate landlords are willing to let housing units sit empty vs letting market rates drop. A company with 500 units makes the same amount leasing 400 units at $1500/mo as they would leasing 470 units at $1300/mo and they have less overhead. The realpage software lets them coordinate with all the other corporate landlords without direct communication. The reason I think this policy would help renters is by making vacant units significantly more expensive and pushing corporate property managers to actually compete rather than sit on vacancies. |
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hovercat
lemmy.blahaj.zone
hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-11-15 |
I think I'd rather see this adressed on the property tax side with a homestead tax exemption. Let counties and municipalities significantly raise property tax rates then offer homestead tax rebates to the primary resident. Maybe even offer a monthly rebate to match rent/mortgage payments. Rent would go up, but the rebate should match the rent increase. This would make empty units, short term re...
Yeah, honestly that seems pretty win/win. |
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Fermion
feddit.nl
Fermion@feddit.nl Joined: 2023-07-20 |
They'll do the same things that various foreign investors already do in British Columbia. They have family members "own" properties but never record any income. Thats the most common one.
That's why the homestead credit would only be payable to the resident. Residency is what matters here not the paper owner. I won't claim there aren't potential loopholes in a casually described plan, but the one you brought up doesn't apply without fraudulent claims of residency. |
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Fermion
feddit.nl
Fermion@feddit.nl Joined: 2023-07-20 |
The problem with that is that it doesn't do anything on the front end, with private equity outbidding families in the first place. Yes, it makes it more expensive for the corp after the sale, but all that does is justify raising rents. I'm not sure whether this proposal will accomplish what it intends to do, but at least the intent is to limit the ability of these private firms to buy up invent...
It disincentivizes speculative holding and buying up inventory to reduce supply without demonstrated demand. Large landlords are willing to sit on vacant inventory in order to keep market rates high. By penalizing holding units vacant, that should incentivise either setting more competitive rents, or selling/not buying excess inventory. In markets where there is a true undersupply of inventory and there aren't vacancies then, yes, this policy wouldn't have much benefit. |
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Asafum
lemmy.world
Asafum@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-20 |
Institutional investors own roughly 2% to 25% of single-family rentals 2% seems like a large number, that is 1 out of every 50 homes. That's 1 house on every street. 25% just seems insanely large.
They state, and I made italic, that the number over 2% are all "mom and pop" investors. Those that would be nowhere near the $150 million limit the law would affect. |
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rafoix
lemmy.zip
rafoix@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-18 |
Problem is the seller can just collude with the investment firm, jack up the price so regular people aren't bidding and wait out the 6 months.
Anti-collusion laws could just as easily be part of the system. With mandatory jail time and fines included. Then again, laws about this issue probably need to be studied and verified for their effectiveness and to see how the market and how nefarious people will respond. |
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SinningStromgald
lemmy.world
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
So instead we get gigantic investment funds spinning up hundreds of LLCs named things like BRIIINKLW like those shitty Amazon brands. They funnel each one of them 140m, and control a bunch of small individual businesses through an "outsourced" MSP that handles all of the business side and is also owned by them, but because they don't own the properties or the assets, it doesn't matter. Money ge...
Reading the actual bill I think what you are describing would not work. Emphasis mine.
But I am not lawyer so maybe your idea would work. |
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Iconoclast
feddit.uk
Iconoclast@feddit.uk Joined: 2026-02-05 |
I wonder where they came up with that number? On the one hand, it seems quite large. But on the other hand, in some markets simply having 150 units under management would push you over that limit.
I'd imagine the core idea is to try and limit investing for individuals only - not organizations. |
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ColeSloth
discuss.tchncs.de
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-08-18 |
Only for over $150,000,000 companies? How about $5,000,000? No one should get to own 400 homes, either! |
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WoodScientist
lemmy.world
WoodScientist@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-09-06 |
It would also task the Justice Department's antitrust division, which brings civil suits to quash alleged anticompetitive practices, with enforcing the law. Lmao
Should make it an individual cause of action. Let individual renters sue their landlords if they can prove they own too much housing. Set statutory damages as the property itself. Landlords who own too much housing will have their properties confiscated by their renters. |
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Tyrq
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-02-10 |
Only for over $150,000,000 companies? How about $5,000,000? No one should get to own 400 homes, either!
Dunno where you're buying $12,000 homes. I won't argue with the point though, they really don't need hundreds or thousands of single family homes for investments |
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justOnePersistentKbinPlease
fedia.io
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io Joined: 2024-09-06 |
That's why the homestead credit would only be payable to the resident. Residency is what matters here not the paper owner. I won't claim there aren't potential loopholes in a casually described plan, but the one you brought up doesn't apply without fraudulent claims of residency.
They are listed as the primary resident. |
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pelespirit
sh.itjust.works
pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-14 |
I think I'd rather see this adressed on the property tax side with a homestead tax exemption. Let counties and municipalities significantly raise property tax rates then offer homestead tax rebates to the primary resident. Maybe even offer a monthly rebate to match rent/mortgage payments. Rent would go up, but the rebate should match the rent increase. This would make empty units, short term re...
Why not both? |
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ColeSloth
discuss.tchncs.de
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-08-18 |
Dunno where you're buying $12,000 homes. I won't argue with the point though, they really don't need hundreds or thousands of single family homes for investments
What? $150,000,000 will get you about 400 $375,000 homes. |
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Tyrq
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-02-10 |
What? $150,000,000 will get you about 400 $375,000 homes.
You said 5m...? |
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BlameTheAntifa
lemmy.world
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-07-22 |
Only for over $150,000,000 companies? How about $5,000,000? No one should get to own 400 homes, either!
$5 million is four small, rotting old homes in California. Maybe eight in the middle of the desert. I like this legislation, but I also think that all income from residential property the owner does not occupy should be over 100% and property taxes over 50% per year. Nobody needs more than one home, and if you have them, you should pay society dearly for each you keep out of the hands of those who need it. |
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chonglibloodsport
lemmy.world
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
Pass the bill and the refine it over time. People will find loop holes and then those can be closed as needed. Laws don’t need to be perfect at first pass, but getting it on the books would be a huge shift in the right direction.
The loopholes seem super obvious to me. Just have a bunch of $149m real estate trusts, whose shares are owned by another fund. |
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BlameTheAntifa
lemmy.world
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-07-22 |
Should make it an individual cause of action. Let individual renters sue their landlords if they can prove they own too much housing. Set statutory damages as the property itself. Landlords who own too much housing will have their properties confiscated by their renters.
I love this. It’s a genuinely good idea. |
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chonglibloodsport
lemmy.world
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
Only for over $150,000,000 companies? How about $5,000,000? No one should get to own 400 homes, either!
Investment funds, not companies. A $150,000,000 fund sounds like a lot but it’s smaller than the pension fund of a mid-sized company (3,000 employees, $50k total contribution per employee on average). |
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FishFace
piefed.social
FishFace@piefed.social Joined: 2025-10-16 |
This won't do much. Vacancy rates are not high in the US, so the hypothesised mechanism that this would translate to high prices/rents - artificial restriction of supply - is not happening. |
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ColeSloth
discuss.tchncs.de
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-08-18 |
You said 5m...?
Y'all not read the article or something? The bill is for anyone over $150,000,000. I'm saying it should be more like 5,000,000, because no entity should get to own like 400 houses? There was never any ambiguity to my statement about thinking I was speaking of the $5,000,000 owning 400 houses unless you were a damned idiot at math. |
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ColeSloth
discuss.tchncs.de
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-08-18 |
$5 million is four small, rotting old homes in California. Maybe eight in the middle of the desert. I like this legislation, but I also think that all income from residential property the owner does not occupy should be over 100% and property taxes over 50% per year. Nobody needs more than one home, and if you have them, you should pay society dearly for each you keep out of the hands of those ...
Where are you thinking from my statement; that has two wildly different numbers in it for a monetary amount is leading you to think the 400 houses was in reference to the impossibly small amount of money for that many houses, and not the much larger amount of money that makes perfect sense to buy 400 houses with? |
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CXORA
aussie.zone
CXORA@aussie.zone Joined: 2025-03-08 |
Its a start. But legally no individual should be able to own more than 2 properties either. |
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BlameTheAntifa
lemmy.world
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-07-22 |
Where are you thinking from my statement; that has two wildly different numbers in it for a monetary amount is leading you to think the 400 houses was in reference to the impossibly small amount of money for that many houses, and not the much larger amount of money that makes perfect sense to buy 400 houses with?
Because the rules of english heavily imply it. Your first sentence is clearly rhetorical. Your second sentence poses a questions as an alternative. Your final sentence, not being a question, can be inferred to be an answer to the alternative question posed, reinforced by the fact that english includes a right-branching bias and “nearest noun” assumption. This is also the internet, and people say mathematically and factually incorrect things constantly, so there is no reason for a casual reader to break the formal or informal rules of english to decide whether a rather straightforward comment is actually ambiguously misphrased rather than merely incorrect. I hope this answers your question. |
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ColeSloth
discuss.tchncs.de
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-08-18 |
Because the rules of english heavily imply it. Your first sentence is clearly rhetorical. Your second sentence poses a questions as an alternative. Your final sentence, not being a question, can be inferred to be an answer to the alternative question posed, reinforced by the fact that english includes a right-branching bias and “nearest noun” assumption. This is also the internet, and people sa...
My answer wouldn't make any sense as a response to the $5,000,000 though. So regardless of the ambiguity to which number I was referring to in the same paragraph, anyone with a small semblance of reasoning would be able to work out that I must have been referring to the former $ and not the latter. This would be even more enforced had the actual article been read. |
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CharlesDarwin
lemmy.world
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-22 |
Imagine: trying to do something that would actually help Americans instead of all this performative bullshit aimed at harming America. |
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CharlesDarwin
lemmy.world
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-22 |
Only for over $150,000,000 companies? How about $5,000,000? No one should get to own 400 homes, either!
5 million? Why would it be cut off there? |
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Tyrq
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-02-10 |
Y'all not read the article or something? The bill is for anyone over $150,000,000. I'm saying it should be more like 5,000,000, because no entity should get to own like 400 houses? There was never any ambiguity to my statement about thinking I was speaking of the $5,000,000 owning 400 houses unless you were a damned idiot at math.
It was pretty ambiguous, when you say 'either' at the end of your comparative statement, it implies that the latter is what you're referring to. Anyhow I get what you're saying, no need to be rude |
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