It's actually scary how people will never say it but understand perfectly that communism would lead to poor people doing better and that they will absolutely never allow that to happen.

communism would lead to poor people doing better

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They shouldn't have bothered. Right after the election is over the communist party would transform into a capitalist dictatorship as its members become increasingly reluctant to actually give any power to the working class.

If successful all but the wealthiest would be better off, would they not? Are you thinking of the "communism" that happened in the Soviet Union.like?

im not discussing economics in this place anymore, it’s pretty clear you guys are always talking about capitalism as a way to say America, and communism to mean whatever random notion of socialism you dream up that definitely hasn’t been tried before

Well you are in the clear as this

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doesn't count as fucking discussion anyway.

Then why bother commenting at all?

It makes me so proud of that school.

Because they like the smell of their own shit I bet

Don't worry Komrade, we mean real Communism not corrupt Oligarchy Russia.

I get the bitterness, communism has struggled. But it's not the only "not capitalism" option either, a lot of people here are straight up anarchists. And that definitely hasn't been given a fair chance, no nation can tolerate it!

If both MLs and capitalists hate anarchists, they must be up to something good

I see .ml is leaking

stirring the pot

Sorry, it's congenital

Yeah have you seen how much the state sponsored agriculture, scientific research and medical research has helped poor people in the US? Not to mention the government food and shelter provided by the military. Imagine if it could be extended to everything!

No, no, not a capitalist dictatorship, socialism with [insert name of high school] characteristics.

"The problem with communists is, they all expect to be the overseer, and not the poor guy working in the field"

the memes made on kirk made it impossible for me to take them seriously.

Two of my favorite Erika Kirk memes. Hopefully it brightens someone else's day like it did my own.

I always wonder why one emoji isn't enough. It's always spammed in multiples of 3 or 5, as if they're cloning themselves. One gets the point across just fine.

His actual dialog made it impossible for me to take him seriously.

Did you mean to reply to the guy above me?

1. you guys are easy to trigger

2. I live in Australia, I'm one of the wealthiest people in the world just by owning a house

3. My life is amazing

4. Communism sucks

🤣 there are plenty of other communism is great circle jerks around here, I'm sure you'll find one where everyone agrees with you shortly

I'm not even a communist. I just try not to dismiss people with an attitude like that.

As you said, sometimes it's not worth engaging, but... you did, and were a jerk about it.

If you can't acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the poor and downtrodden banding together to advance their own interests might improve their lives, I dunno what to say. That it might not? That they'd just be stopped? That human nature will prevail and tear it all down?

Maybe. Might be worth trying. I know that's a pipe dream, and so do you, but let people have their goddamned dreams. Maybe someday they'll turn into something more.

https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/79130/communism-in-the-soviet-union-china-etc-wasnt-real-communism-is-that-tr

Yep real communism hasn't been tried so your ideas are technically all hopes and dreams

And then people wonder why actual economists think communists are a joke

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communism is nice on paper, not in real life, because people suck. China is not truly communist.

What the fuck kind of data contains a GDP for the USSR in 2010?

E: Wait it's you! Thank you again for your insights. I still need to consider the deflationary effects. But also, what the fuck is this data doing after the 90's?

His actual dialogue made me take him seriously as a threat to civil rights.

Good point. He did have a big fan base that ate the shit he was spewing.

Well, we don't live in the magical realm of wonderful smelling farts and platonic forms. There's no true capitalist countries and no true communist countries. Reasonable people know how to read from context. When we talk about communist and capitalist countries, you know damn well what we're talking about.

Soviet block and its successor states obviously. Why would you interpret it any differently?

The problem with capitalism is that everyone expects to be the billionaire, not the poor guy working full time while homeless.

There are no communist states anywhere, because Marx defined communism as a classless stateless society.

It would be wrong to pretend that there are currently any large scale "communist" societies in the world, the closest would probably be smaller communities like the Zapatistas or Rojava. Soviet style "communism" has always been a bastardization of all actual communist ideas and pretending, that that is the best version of communism that we could get is utterly delusional.

Because at the end of the day, Soviet Russia just replaced the bugoirsie with party officials and it was just red fascism.

The Soviet Union was not communist, so bad example. I agree with the premise though, I am just saying, that we should be more honest with our arguments.

(If you are wondering what I mean)

There are no true societies.

That doesn't mean descriptions are not useful. There's no such thing as a capitalist society, yet communism's entire foundation is built on critiquing it.

A post is always great if you put the punchline in the title

lol this was a perfect opportunity for the school to teach about the dangers of populist liars but they bottled it

school: Whoa whoa there pal... We love free speech, but not that kind of free speech.

He died as he lived. Spewing.

I see reddit is leaking.

And that was what got him killed since he turned on the genociders which made them furious.
That fact doesn't get attention.
No, let's focus on the grifter woman.

Yes, some american economist says so guys, checkmate.