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NightOwl
lemmy.ca
NightOwl@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-12-28 |
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obvs
lemmy.world
obvs@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-17 |
The United States should ban cigarettes, but should continue to allow tobacco to be used in smoke-free forms. If you want to poison yourself, that should be your choice, but poisoning others should not be allowed. |
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dracc
discuss.tchncs.de
dracc@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2025-09-25 |
Fantastic. About 75% of the people I know still smokes though. Paywall stops me from reading the article but I do wonder what the sample size is. |
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frongt
lemmy.zip
frongt@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-31 |
Yeah as the article notes people have switched to nicotine pouches to get their fix. Which are better because they don't produce smoke and lung cancer, but they can still give you other oral cancers and dental diseases. If anything they're probably worse in that aspect due to being constantly pressed against the gums and lips. But at least they're smokeless. |
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Unpigged
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2023-11-14 |
The United States should ban cigarettes, but should continue to allow tobacco to be used in smoke-free forms. If you want to poison yourself, that should be your choice, but poisoning others should not be allowed.
In countries with solidary health insurance expenses to cover unnecessary, tobacco related cancers are paid by the whole population. |
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drre
feddit.org
drre@feddit.org Joined: 2024-06-25 |
Fantastic. About 75% of the people I know still smokes though. Paywall stops me from reading the article but I do wonder what the sample size is.
using Reader Mode in Firefox does work. |
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joeljoelle
piefed.world
etherphon@piefed.worldJoined: 2025-07-10 |
Yeah as the article notes people have switched to nicotine pouches to get their fix. Which are better because they don't produce smoke and lung cancer, but they can still give you other oral cancers and dental diseases. If anything they're probably worse in that aspect due to being constantly pressed against the gums and lips. But at least they're smokeless.
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frongt
lemmy.zip
frongt@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-31 |
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At least with vaping you can taper off the nicotine. |
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joeljoelle
piefed.world
etherphon@piefed.worldJoined: 2025-07-10 |
At least with vaping you can taper off the nicotine.
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terranoid
lemmy.cafe
terranoid@lemmy.cafe Joined: 2026-05-08 |
Yeah as the article notes people have switched to nicotine pouches to get their fix. Which are better because they don't produce smoke and lung cancer, but they can still give you other oral cancers and dental diseases. If anything they're probably worse in that aspect due to being constantly pressed against the gums and lips. But at least they're smokeless.
More research is needed. Nicotine on its own is not cancerous. Tobacco is. Nicotine pouches that aren't tobacco might carry much lower risks, but there is other stuff in them. |
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surewhynotlem
lemmy.world
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
In countries with solidary health insurance expenses to cover unnecessary, tobacco related cancers are paid by the whole population.
That happens in the US too. We just also pay CEO salaries and shareholder disbursements. |
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kungen
feddit.nu
kungen@feddit.nu Joined: 2023-08-03 |
https://www.healthline.com/health/quit-smoking/does-zyn-cause-mouth-cancer#other-risks-and-side-effects More research is needed. Nicotine on its own is not cancerous. Tobacco is. Nicotine pouches that aren't tobacco might carry much lower risks, but there is other stuff in them.
The only known negatives with nicotine is that it's apparently a bit stressful for the heart. So it's still good to avoid taking it, but if you're going to take nicotine anyways, it's the safest delivery method. Do other countries also have an ingredients list on nicotine pouches? Sweden has always had it (even on snus), as it's classified as a food product. I've always found it interesting that a product that shouldn't be swallowed has an ingredients list, but products that "should" be swallowed (such as alcohol) doesn't. |
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Nurse_Robot
lemmy.world
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-12 |
The only known negatives with nicotine is that it's apparently a bit stressful for the heart. So it's still good to avoid taking it, but if you're going to take nicotine anyways, it's the safest delivery method. Do other countries also have an ingredients list on nicotine pouches? Sweden has always had it (even on snus), as it's classified as a food product. I've always found it interesting tha...
Vaping is very possibly much less unhealthy than chewing tobacco, but of course we don't have long term studies yet |
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ol_capt_joe
piefed.ee
ol_capt_joe@piefed.eeJoined: 2025-08-19 |
People just need to rediscover pipes. Tolkien knew what was up 👍 |
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kungen
feddit.nu
kungen@feddit.nu Joined: 2023-08-03 |
Vaping is very possibly much less unhealthy than chewing tobacco, but of course we don't have long term studies yet
Nicotine pouches isn't chewing tobacco. Chewing tobacco is one of the most unhealthiest ways to consume nicotine. |
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Imaginary_Stand4909
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-03-21 |
Fantastic. About 75% of the people I know still smokes though. Paywall stops me from reading the article but I do wonder what the sample size is.
I'm pretty sure i got the whole article:
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Holyginz
lemmy.world
Holyginz@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
People just need to rediscover pipes. Tolkien knew what was up 👍
I love my pipe. Much more enjoyable experience. |
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terranoid
lemmy.cafe
terranoid@lemmy.cafe Joined: 2026-05-08 |
The only known negatives with nicotine is that it's apparently a bit stressful for the heart. So it's still good to avoid taking it, but if you're going to take nicotine anyways, it's the safest delivery method. Do other countries also have an ingredients list on nicotine pouches? Sweden has always had it (even on snus), as it's classified as a food product. I've always found it interesting tha...
I don't think the US has strict regulations on the ingredients... I don't know why, likely lobbyist behavior, but also I think people just accept that if you smoke you don't give a shit and it's unhealthy by default, so it's not a big deal if they add chemicals. Which becomes more ridiculous with nicotine pouches for this reason. Nicotine isn't cancerous, so it would be super shitty to add carcinogens in the pouches and then claim it's a tobacco product so you should expect it. |
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MonkeMischief
lemmy.today
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-10-24 |
That happens in the US too. We just also pay CEO salaries and shareholder disbursements.
We're such a generous nation ❤️ /s |
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BartyDeCanter
piefed.social
BartyDeCanter@piefed.social Joined: 2026-05-02 |
People just need to rediscover pipes. Tolkien knew what was up 👍
I haven’t smoked in a long time, but I used to love my pipe. It’s been getting more and more tempting to try it again, since I have one of the few health issues where nicotine can sometimes help. |
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dracc
discuss.tchncs.de
dracc@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2025-09-25 |
I'm pretty sure i got the whole article: Sweden has reached its target of fewer than five percent of the population smoking regularly – and is consequently considered "smoke-free". "It is an incredible development that a harmful behaviour can be reduced to this extent," Mats Ramstedt, head of research at the Swedish Council for Information on Alcohol and Other Drugs (CAN), told the TT news agen...
Thank you. Looks like they ask 18 000 people at random yearly. Quite a good sample size for a country of 10 million citizens. But I'd take it with a scoop of salt as it's self reported and other numbers are weirdly worded if not wrong. Edit: found the summary. 30% are still using nicotine, allegedly. |
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untorquer
quokk.au
untorquer@quokk.au Joined: 2025-12-03 |
The only known negatives with nicotine is that it's apparently a bit stressful for the heart. So it's still good to avoid taking it, but if you're going to take nicotine anyways, it's the safest delivery method. Do other countries also have an ingredients list on nicotine pouches? Sweden has always had it (even on snus), as it's classified as a food product. I've always found it interesting tha...
It's the whole coronary system not just the heart. It also comes with the same swath of possible symptoms as most stimulants including high blood pressure, stress/anxiety, etc. That said, IMO the biggest issue is the litter. Used pouches should go into the trash can and away from animals. |
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SaharaMaleikuhm
feddit.org
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-23 |
That happens in the US too. We just also pay CEO salaries and shareholder disbursements.
And health care for Israel |
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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
In countries with solidary health insurance expenses to cover unnecessary, tobacco related cancers are paid by the whole population.
Because every throat and lung cancer is caused by tobacco, we should make everyone who gets them go bankrupt and die? I'm really confused dude. What cancers are necessary. |
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Unpigged
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2023-11-14 |
Because every throat and lung cancer is caused by tobacco, we should make everyone who gets them go bankrupt and die? I'm really confused dude. What cancers are necessary.
s/unnecessary/avoidable/ |
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Rothe
piefed.social
Rothe@piefed.social Joined: 2025-08-25 |
Yeah as the article notes people have switched to nicotine pouches to get their fix. Which are better because they don't produce smoke and lung cancer, but they can still give you other oral cancers and dental diseases. If anything they're probably worse in that aspect due to being constantly pressed against the gums and lips. But at least they're smokeless.
Not to mention the littering problem is even worse than with cigarette butts. |
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KeenFlame
feddit.nu
KeenFlame@feddit.nu Joined: 2023-08-20 |
Yeah as the article notes people have switched to nicotine pouches to get their fix. Which are better because they don't produce smoke and lung cancer, but they can still give you other oral cancers and dental diseases. If anything they're probably worse in that aspect due to being constantly pressed against the gums and lips. But at least they're smokeless.
It is actually basic and contains xylitol which is good for oral health. No link has been found to oral cancer. I don't understand where you get those facts from? |
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lechekaflan
lemmy.world
lechekaflan@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
The United States should ban cigarettes, but should continue to allow tobacco to be used in smoke-free forms. If you want to poison yourself, that should be your choice, but poisoning others should not be allowed.
Never read about the Prohibition? |
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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
s/unnecessary/avoidable/
Oh, so my initial assumption was correct, it's whichever ones you personally feel like blaming the patient for getting. I take it the worst thing that's ever happens to you is stubbing your toe and you're a trust attorney? |
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khaleer
sopuli.xyz
khaleer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2024-06-20 |
Oh, so my initial assumption was correct, it's whichever ones you personally feel like blaming the patient for getting. I take it the worst thing that's ever happens to you is stubbing your toe and you're a trust attorney?
smoker detected lol |
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Swedneck
discuss.tchncs.de
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Not to mention the littering problem is even worse than with cigarette butts.
it's somewhat nice to not risk fires breaking out, though. |
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Swedneck
discuss.tchncs.de
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2023-06-10 |
The only known negatives with nicotine is that it's apparently a bit stressful for the heart. So it's still good to avoid taking it, but if you're going to take nicotine anyways, it's the safest delivery method. Do other countries also have an ingredients list on nicotine pouches? Sweden has always had it (even on snus), as it's classified as a food product. I've always found it interesting tha...
well you are putting it in your mouth, so you're effectively swallowing parts of it. |
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Swedneck
discuss.tchncs.de
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Fantastic. About 75% of the people I know still smokes though. Paywall stops me from reading the article but I do wonder what the sample size is.
Anecdotally i'd say it's probably more like 10%, however i think at this point smoking is so unusual that you REALLY notice if even a single person does it near you, which inflates how high the usage feels. |
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Unpigged
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2023-11-14 |
Oh, so my initial assumption was correct, it's whichever ones you personally feel like blaming the patient for getting. I take it the worst thing that's ever happens to you is stubbing your toe and you're a trust attorney?
You're so dumb it's funny. |
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Spacehooks
reddthat.com
Spacehooks@reddthat.com Joined: 2023-07-05 |
People just need to rediscover pipes. Tolkien knew what was up 👍
I know nothing of pipes other than shape. What is the functional advantages to it? |
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Bloomcole
lemmy.world
Bloomcole@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-17 |
Yet they attack France for banning nicotine pouches and calling it an attack on the Swedish way of life. |
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Bloomcole
lemmy.world
Bloomcole@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-17 |
In countries with solidary health insurance expenses to cover unnecessary, tobacco related cancers are paid by the whole population.
Dead wrong. And if you want to be selfish and not have solidarity then let's start about the much bigger cost of the SELF-INFLICTED diabetic epidemic. |
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nooch
lemmy.vg
nooch@lemmy.vg Joined: 2026-01-04 |
People just need to rediscover pipes. Tolkien knew what was up 👍
Pipe smoke smell is way worse than cigarretes. Old prof used to smoke pipe in his office... Stench is worse than tobacco bars and cig smoking offices +20 years later. |
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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
smoker detected lol
No, my nephew had cancer when he was six months. Anyone who is rooting for cancer deserves to die of it. |
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akwd169
sh.itjust.works
akwd169@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-07-05 |
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I mixed my own liquid so I was able to go down to 4, 3, 2, 1, then 0.75, 0.5, down to like 0.25 and lower I think I was such a fiend that lowering the nicotine meant I would just hit it harder and more often for longer lol but once you get sub 1mg you literally cant hit it fast enough to feel satisfied even if you spend hours chain vaping 🤣 I also had a RDA that put out massive clouds though so that didnt help with moderation lol |
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Danquebec
sh.itjust.works
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-01-03 |
I'm pretty sure i got the whole article: Sweden has reached its target of fewer than five percent of the population smoking regularly – and is consequently considered "smoke-free". "It is an incredible development that a harmful behaviour can be reduced to this extent," Mats Ramstedt, head of research at the Swedish Council for Information on Alcohol and Other Drugs (CAN), told the TT news agen...
My country is fentanyl-free. Less than 5% of the population consumes it. That said, congrats on Sweden. |
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Unpigged
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2023-11-14 |
No, my nephew had cancer when he was six months. Anyone who is rooting for cancer deserves to die of it.
Do you mind showing me where I was rooting for cancer? |
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possumparty
lemmy.blahaj.zone
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-06-05 |
I'm pretty sure i got the whole article: Sweden has reached its target of fewer than five percent of the population smoking regularly – and is consequently considered "smoke-free". "It is an incredible development that a harmful behaviour can be reduced to this extent," Mats Ramstedt, head of research at the Swedish Council for Information on Alcohol and Other Drugs (CAN), told the TT news agen...
If they follow the rest of the EU and start banning flavored snus in favor of only menthol flavors you can expect to see a sharp spike in cigarette usage again. It's funny this study doesn't mention vapes, which, anecdotally, are massively popular in Sweden. |
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CultLeader4Hire
lemmy.world
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-28 |
I know nothing of pipes other than shape. What is the functional advantages to it?
I think it’s “smoother” but I’ve never smoked one so I cannot confirm |
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captainlezbian
lemmy.world
captainlezbian@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-29 |
I'm pretty sure i got the whole article: Sweden has reached its target of fewer than five percent of the population smoking regularly – and is consequently considered "smoke-free". "It is an incredible development that a harmful behaviour can be reduced to this extent," Mats Ramstedt, head of research at the Swedish Council for Information on Alcohol and Other Drugs (CAN), told the TT news agen...
That inspired me to look up my own country's rate of smoking over the years and I'm shocked that we're over 10% still, and were at 20% in 09. I know everything used to stink of cigarettes all the time, but that still feels so high |
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explodicle
sh.itjust.works
explodicle@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-11 |
Do you mind showing me where I was rooting for cancer?
You're just saying that treating tobacco-related cancer is paid for by the whole population. That's it folks! If anyone is inferring something from that, well, that's clearly on them. Edit: saw the deleted reply |
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explodicle
sh.itjust.works
explodicle@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-11 |
I think it’s “smoother” but I’ve never smoked one so I cannot confirm
In my very subjective opinion they taste better and are more fun. |
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redlemace
lemmy.world
redlemace@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-03-03 |
Yeah as the article notes people have switched to nicotine pouches to get their fix. Which are better because they don't produce smoke and lung cancer, but they can still give you other oral cancers and dental diseases. If anything they're probably worse in that aspect due to being constantly pressed against the gums and lips. But at least they're smokeless.
Well, the pouches do not produce smoke is a plus, but it's disgusting. They spit them out during meetings to replace immediately with a new. They are in wastbaskets, on the street. Gross. For what i understood from dentist & doctors (standard question: do you drink, smoke, snuss) it's much worse than smoking. For the user that is, not their environment |
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Aralakh
lemmy.ca
Aralakh@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-08 |
Fantastic. About 75% of the people I know still smokes though. Paywall stops me from reading the article but I do wonder what the sample size is.
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5gruel
lemmy.world
5gruel@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-27 |
Dead wrong. The whole population benefits from what smokers pay. From a study in NL it shows that they generate far more than what it costs in healthcare. And it also said should the small percentage of smokers suddenly quit and live longer, the loss of income for the state and the extra cost of them living longer and needing more care would be unsustainable. And if you want to be selfish and n...
wait how does that add up? why and how would smokers contribute more? your second argument about healthy people living longer and therefore costing more (BC of receiving more pension is the argument I guess?) would apply to any treatment, including obesity, right? |
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BlackLaZoR
lemmy.world
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-26 |
Bruh |
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