A simplified world view is really tempting sometimes. What if I told you that fighting anti semitism and being pro genocide are two things that can be distinguished from each other?

I mean "leftist organization" is a weird term and I would more speak of currents. And there is definitely the Antideutsche or Anti-Germans.

The German left, at least the loud one, is publically dividing between this topic. On demonstration you see a lot of people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a "Zionist" on Lemmy, as there is often only "anti genocide and pro genocide" in online discussions. But the world is very complex and there is a large continuum between Islamic and Jewish ethno state philosophy.

How to we call a tankie triad when it is actually four? dbz0 is following ml, hexbear and lemmygrad for a longer time now.

I thought this was a joke when I read the first sentence, then I realized you were serious. LMAO

The German left, at least the loud one, is public ally dividing between this topic. On demonstration you see a lot of people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a “Zionist” on Lemmy, as there is often only “anti genocide and pro genocide” in online discussions. But the world is very complex and there is a large continuum between Islamic and Jewish ethno state philosophy.

This is all nonsense and you are indeed a zionist. Thank you for making it clear to everyone.

That makes you a “Zionist” on Lemmy, as there is often only “anti genocide and pro genocide” in online discussions.

Thank you again for clarifying which side you are on.

feels like brexit in that they will no longer have influence or discussion with their sworn enemies

they will just circle jerk on their marxist island

dbzer0

marxist island

lmao

Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting.

they didn't say it was hypocritical, just empty criticism. They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

They're pretty anti zionist. Only because Israel represents the west in all its brutality. They fully support the Russian invasion and genocide of Ukraine though, hence the hypocrisy.

They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

They are wrong.

it is important for people to be able to build spaces that provide community for people who have perfectly legitimate reasons for not wanting certain things around.

unfortunately providing that functionality inherently provides the functionality to create echo chambers for arbitrary reasons

you cannot have one without the other and I'd rather have both than neither

Seriously, imagine typing "there is often only 'anti genocide and pro genocide' in online discussions" and thinking "yes, I will post this and look like a very good and moral person". Yes, if you're not against genocide you're for genocide. Yes, if you think supporting the resistance to genocide is antisemitic, you are a genocidal zionist. This type of "nuanced" "anti-zionism" (liberal zionism) is also widespread on feddit.org.

They fully support the Russian invasion and genocide of Ukraine though, hence the hypocrisy.

Did you know that inventing "genocides" based on perceived vibes and presenting them as equivalent to extremely real, well-documented, and universally agreed upon actual genocides is a form of genocide denial? Liberals such as yourself have been doing the work of fascists like this for a long time, this type of Holocaust denial is called "double genocide theory".

Its this kind of bad-faith accusative argument that I hate most, from wherever it comes.

Nice. Props to db0

It is more complicated than that. Vulnerable minorities don't thrive in spaces where they're endlessly playing whack a mole with bigots and trolls.

I didn't leave Twitter for the fediverse because of its network. I left even before Musk, because Twitter was full of hate that the admins didn't feel the need to action.

Your preference is just that... And as long as there is room for your preference on the fediverse without it being the only way to experience it, we can both have the experiences we want.

Look, they get to advocate for genocide and mass murder, but if you ask them to stop, they're the real victims!

Ah but you see clearly opposing imperialism is just as bad as supporting it, I'm such an enlightened centrist

Tankie is when you don't support genocidal imperialism.

Please find the open Zionist admins and mods of major communities who are from .ml. They have their own issues, but Zionism isn't one of them.

I was reading the original discussion on dbzer0 and kept wondering what the removed by mod was under every comment agreeing with either partial ban or defed, so I looked at the modlog. It was literally the same pigshit picture posted over and over again, almost twenty times, by the same user, though fortunately I only had to see it once, by choice.

That's a serious personal commitment to assholery right there, and this is apparently just one of the people coming over to do this on dbzer0 comms. To be honest I can't claim to understand some of the political nuance that was coming up in the thread, but that one dude sure did make a strong argument for defed via the modlog, lol. If that's an example of what dbzer0 has to put up with from multiple individual users of another instance, then considering defederation is absolutely a legitimate discussion to have.

Piefed going hard to bat for Zionists again.

It does not make you a Zionist on Lemmy. You are a Zionist in real life.

.world user here, I am defending them. Are they a lost cause because they don't support mass murder or are they are lost cause because they support international justice?

This is their gimmick, just block the morons and move on.

Did you not read the rules for joining DB0 before you joined. They clearly state a full anti-zionist stance right there.

What if I told you my instance didn't conduct a check of political attitude when joining?

But they still have shown sympathy for other authoritarian regimes and are very pro-AI.

[citation needed]

And pro-AI is as bad as genocide? Jesus Christ.

"Opposing Hamas makes you a Zionist", can you confirm that statement?

How so? Give proof.

Sometimes the further left extremes I've heard hear are indistinguishable from conservative Q-Anon. I legitimately need to check users post histories to understand which extreme they are on

1. They had a vote, and the people said strongly that they did not want to see this.
2. Platforming Facism is the best way to spread Facism, and deplatforming Facism is the best way to fight it. Supporting their freedom to speak is in effect the same as supporting the ideology.

I legitimately need to check users post histories to understand which extreme they are on

If you can't tell the difference between "media companies serve the interests of their owners and managers" and Q-Anon, that might indicate a problem with you rather than with others.

Feddit.org bans criticism of Israel. There is no point in a Zionist instance which does not allow debate on its own turf.

Yes, opposing the main resistance to zionism makes you a zionist. Glad we all understand each other.

Edit: not that you'll see this, I can see piefed.social dropping my replies to you because you have me (or maybe my instance) blocked.

To be clear, the accusation is that the mod team is Zionist, and that they consistently moderate all anti-Zionist content.

It's a Zionist bar not just because there's a few Zionists, but because the bar owner keeps kicking out the people who cause a ruckus with the Zionists.

Liberals calling anarchists tankies would be funny if it weren't such a damning statement on their own political literacy. I guess it is a little funny, but still…

The comment I replied to vs. this from QAnon page on Wikipedia.

The cabal is thought to cover up its existence by controlling politicians, mainstream media, and Hollywood.

Only difference is that your side is "right"

They are very clearly distinguishable, just not to you yet. Until recently, you’d only ever heard disagreements coming from your right, so you confuse disagreements coming from your left with them.

• ‘Horseshoe theory’ is nonsense – the far right and far left have little in common
• Are the far-left and far-right merging together? That’s what the ‘horseshoe theory’ of politics says, but it’s wrong

 
Liberalism in fact has more in common with fascism than socialism: they’re both capitalist ideologies. Previously.

I think this is a stupid move, but it shows the shitty mindset, that evolved on db0. Bye!

Supporting their freedom to speak is in effect the same as supporting the ideology.

It's a shame most people on the internet don't recognize how rhetoric like this causes more harm than good.

"If you don't support me in censoring my enemies, then you're just as bad as they are."

A handful of examples shown and then a public vote for defederation seems wild and loose to me.

The collateral damage from this is a mix of unwanted drama (see this post) and a whole bunch of users cut off from another that did nothing wrong.

Lemmy is still young and small. These spats only hurt it's community and image.

What I think they meant was that people here only think about the genocide and thus declare the perpetrators evil (which they are) and the victims the good guys (hamas are not).

One side's atrocities don't justify the other side's. Excusing your own group's actions because they're the good guys is far right thinking.

In reality there's more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn't make the other good.

Only difference is that your side is “right”

lmao, you're the perfect centrist. By your standard, "the Holocaust happened" and "white genocide in South Africa happened" are both equally valid statements. Do you see how ridiculous it is to just group statements by superficial similarity and treat them as equivalent regardless of the substance of the claims or the evidence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war

Unless you think all the shit Russia is doing is just CIA propaganda.