Should be easy, considering they don't exist to begin with.

It sounds like they're mixing "chemtrails" and "cloud seeding". And they don't understand either...

The House needs a bill to prevent idiots from entering politics.

Oh, I get get it. The crazy weather that were experiencing is not global warming, it's chemtrails. And caused by the government. 🙃

Anything but admit that their #1 (and #2 and #3) favorite wizard either wanted a bunch of kids dead or was powerless to prevent it.

Shush. We're this close to getting them to tax contrails, which would effectively be a tax on jet fuel.

until they decide enforcement means no contrails at all and suddenly they've found a new and exciting way to economically ruin the country.

Contrails contribute to global warming and are completely avoidable.

aren't "chemtrails" clouds? they're banning clouds, right?

How dare you read the article!

That is by far one of the stupidest public consultations I've read about.

There are many, many layers of stupid stacked here, but at the same time, this bill is quite sweeping and potentially dangerous. You might be opposed to the idea of manipulating atmospheric composition to fight climate change and it's certainly not something we might want to just go ahead and do, but it is a possibility that's worth exploring and ultimately might become a necessity. This bill kills any attempt to even experiment with this kind of technology, at least in the affected legislature.

So the streaked Behind airplanes are basically clouds.

It’s condensation from the engine freezing around soot in the exhaust*.

They’re also talking about seeding rain clouds by dispersing silver iodide, potassium iodide or just dry ice.

Banning cloud seeding makes sense, since it affects everyone down stream, and that gets complicated. But the arrival blames, for example, the mystic camp flood on cloud seeding/chem trails and goes on to describe contrails as being cloud seeding- which isn’t a thing.

They also link increased aluminum, which isn’t used in cloud seeding, to problems with bees.

*it could also be, in certain situations, from air that’s fairly humid and right at a temperature/ pressure where the wing passing through it causes the ambient humidity to condense out into clouds, but that’s less common.

Contrails are mostly water vapour that's condensed due to the hot exhaust of airplane engines.

They are certainly not completely avoidable, they are likely inescapable without sacrificing significant fuel efficiencies (eg: all methods stealth fighters use to suppress or mask their exhaust heat signature).. which would negate any benefits to global warming.

P. s. I'm not going to watch a YouTube video that could be a few paragraphs of textual explanation, because it'll no doubt be eight times longer than it needs to be for the benefit of more ad money or promotion in the almighty algorithm.

We, uh, could just fund secular public education.

And yeah, I’m kinda pissed I have to add “secular” to that.

I used to be all for religion as a way to give people's lives meaning, then I realized that religion is just science denial.

God is dead, he died when humans started measuring shit, it's time to stop parading around his corpse.

That YouTube Short seems to be a valid one. It's by someone who (according to his own words) has a PhD in atmospheric physics. Basically, he says that contrails causes global warming by preventing heat from escaping from Earth, and that contrails are mostly only formed when a plane flies through a cold humid patch. By simply re-routing planes around these cold patches, the contrails could be reduced.

Wouldn't rerouting be more fuel-intensive in most scenarios, though? I feel like burning more fuel to make fewer clouds isn't the right play.

Eh. They’re also blaming flooding on cloud seeding based on bad anecdotes.

The camp mystic flood, that was a massive storm that dumped shitoads of rain in an area known to prone to flash flooding, all because a conservative commentator in ala-fucking-bama happened to be near camp mystic in Texas to see them seeding clouds… just before the flood started

Probably, I suspect, because they don’t want to admit that GOP policies in Texas are fucking people over. Like the lack of being connected to either national power grid, or in the case of camp mystic, a dore lacking of storm/flood management infrastructure. (Including warning systems.)

I don’t disagree, really.

But just a friendly reminder that secular and atheist are two different things.

Secularism is just a separation of religious affairs and government/state/public affairs.

All I’m saying by adding secular to public schools is that Christian charter schools shouldn’t be funded with public funds; and that creationism/intelligent design/other things of that sort should be key out of the classroom. (And abstinence-only shouldn’t be taught in sex ed for fucks sake.)

Tell that to Iran's nuclear weapons program.

They should simply require the Jewish Space Laser zap any chemtrails.

These are good laws if they are written broadly enough to forbid geo engineering. I don't care how the right gets there, it's beyond arrogant and reckless to allow billionaires, to pay them, to spray masses of sulpur dioxide into the upper atmosphere to block out the sun in a mr. burns esque intervention.

They don't have the right to affect everyone's weather, we don't know the consequences of such an action, and the people running these companies are fundamentally dishonest and have been hotboxing with their yes men in enclosed spaces smelling their own farts for so long they don't even know what's true. Looking at you Gates, fuck any children lately?

While some of the weather manipulation theories on the right are a bit out there, not that the government hasn't experimented with weather manipulation, it's usually just too much for them to do as in the case with making hurricanes worse heating up the ocean. Anyway, instead of mocking them, when they are on to a kernal of truth, better to join with them and prevent real harms being perpetrated. Remember, Gates, noted epstein pal and childfucker will use influence agents to associate those opposed to his geo engineering schemes of blotting out the sun from the upper atmosphere, convinced he has foreseen all the consequences from such a thing, with chemtrail cranks and other such conspiracies spread by cynical rw influencers.

But the geo engineering is very real, and they are doing test projects as we speak, and facing worldwide backlash whereever they do.

Who decides who is an idiot? Those laws don't work when you have the worst people in the country in charge, and the wrong people appointed by them up and down the line.

According to him, the contrails have very potent effect on global warming. Apparently, contrails from just one year's flights has almost the same effect as all the CO2 emitted by all flights ever. Re-routing extends the flight by only so much, so the added CO2 emission has negligible effect.

Geo engineering is absolutely not something we want to look into. As if we could forsee the consequences, as if any one country has the right to decide to affect the entire world's weather, and as if we could trust the companies that are doing this.

They have a meeting every year in Switzerland, where they huddle up and go over their plans, coordinate on selling to governments, pr, all that. Epstein pal and childfucker Bill Gates is one of them. He is as convinced in the righteousness of pumping masses of sulphur dioxide in the upper atmosphere as he is of making roundup ready proprietary strains of crops to be able to use higher amounts of herbicides that systematically poison us, and every form of life, in entire watersheds. He invested in Monsanto, with his foundation at that, such a charitable contribution to society!

Their influencers and their tribes are in league with the groups responsible for those problems and can't be honest so they have to find fake culprits. That said they will support banning geo engineering to cool the earth which is a real top level law of unintended consequences issue, as they already have in Georgia I believe, so we can work with them on this.

Indeed, we need to go with what the evidence says works.

These "Voucher Programs" for Christian Schools is a huge problem. I have a cousin who flunked out of public school and is now in a Christian Private School. His overly religious father and Church have completely ruined the boy's perception of reality.

A big reason why he flunked public school is he'd refuse any assignment that acknowledged the big bang, existence of dinosaurs, existence of evolution, or the idea that the Earth is older than 6000 years.

So Science was a big no.

I'm geniunely worried the kid is going to end up trying to pray his way through life and fail to understand why it's not working.

And for fuck's sake, I'm with you on "Absitnence-Only" being a failure. Hell I remember my Sex-Ed, it wasn't Absistence only, they told us about condoms and stuff... It's just they kept using so many awkward euphemisms and beating around the bush, that when it was done I thought sex was when a guy peed in a girl's butt.

Thank God porn exists, so I was able to figure out the real story.

HB25 provides a means for enforcement of the law under the Alabama Department of Environmental Management. The Department would be required to establish a publicly available email address and online form for the reporting of violations. residents could also report what they believe to be violations by telephone or mail.

I wonder what the job of an ADEM Chemtrail Investigator will be like

I'm not saying this is wrong because I don't know shit but when ships crossing the Atlantic were forced to switch to low sulfur fuel a few years ago the North Atlantic rose in temp a few degrees. Turned out the sulfur in the exhaust was causes clouds to form in the atmosphere and was shading the ocean and masking global warming in that region. Pretty much the opposite effect of what you're saying this dude is claiming.

How do you think the conspiracy nuts will react if this bill becomes law and then there are just as many contrails in the sky as before?

By simply re-routing planes around these cold patches, the contrails could be reduced.

And routes now are generally chosen to be the most fuel-efficient, subject to regulatory constraints such as avoiding overflight of areas of high population density. So any alternate path will be longer and burn more fuel.

These are good laws if they are written broadly enough to forbid geo engineering.

Bad laws written by corrupt, moronic liars are never a good idea.

I agree that geoengineering is a dangerous con, but this law doesn't address that problem.

And it's also unwise to leap to conclusions about people in the Epstein files besides Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Even shitty people like Gates.

Speaking with my limited knowledge, there apparently are cooling contrails and warming contrails, but the warming ones are more common. I don't know why or when the contrails are cooling or warming.

It would be pretty funny if that makes those people snap and they end up being the ones to drag Trump and his cronies into the street and tear him apart like zombies.

Though they’d likely all just be shot to death while trying, which I guess maybe win-win?

Oh, it's unwise to condemn people in the Epstein files? Isn't that convenient? Let's not jump to conclusions, despite being absolutely certain they are having sex with underage girls, and know about abuses, and being blackmailed with that information to support the worst people in the world.

You expect to have any credibility after that opinion?

And you aren't altogether correct either, Georgia I think it was passed a law that makes weather manipulation illegal, that includes geo engineering even as most of their support was from the chemtrails. As have other laws.

If I didn't know any better, and I don't, I'd suspect your motivations here.

And for fuck’s sake, I’m with you on “Absitnence-Only” being a failure. Hell I remember my Sex-Ed, it wasn’t Absistence only, they told us about condoms and stuff… It’s just they kept using so many awkward euphemisms and beating around the bush, that when it was done I thought sex was when a guy peed in a girl’s butt.

I find it deeply disturbing that the states with the highest level of teen pregnancies and STDs happens in the same states that do abstinence-only education. Additionally, education and free and easy access to condoms is the single best way to reduce abortions.

A big reason why he flunked public school is he’d refuse any assignment that acknowledged the big bang, existence of dinosaurs, existence of evolution, or the idea that the Earth is older than 6000 years.

Like... you could have a lot of fun with that. Chickens are dinosaurs (avians are technically extant theropoda dinosaurs.)

Depends on your definition of "chemical". Technically all trails are chem trails, including hiking trails.

According to this one study [1] that focused on Japanese airspace, 2.2% of the flights causes 80% of all contrail energy forcing (EF).

A small-scale strategy of selectively diverting 1.7% of the fleet could reduce the contrail EF by up to 59.3% [52.4, 65.6%], with only a 0.014% [0.010, 0.017%] increase in total fuel consumption and CO2 emissions. A low-risk strategy of diverting flights only if there is no fuel penalty, thereby avoiding additional long-lived CO2 emissions, would reduce contrail EF by 20.0% [17.4, 23.0%].

The re-routing can simply be achieved by changing the flight elevation by 2000 feet one or the other direction.

[1] Teoh, Roger et al. “Mitigating the Climate Forcing of Aircraft Contrails by Small-Scale Diversions and Technology Adoption.” Environmental science & technology vol. 54,5 (2020): 2941-2950. doi:10.1021/acs.est.9b05608

Good luck with the Florida and California flights.

It would require a slight increase in fuel consumption, traded off with a large decrease in heating caused by the water vapour.

Seriously, you should watch the video, it covers all of this stuff.

I'm not going to watch a YouTube video that could be a few paragraphs of textual explanation, because it'll no doubt be eight times longer than it needs to be for the benefit of more ad money or promotion in the almighty algorithm.

The linked one is a short video with a duration of 02:37. There's no padding in this one. Naturally, you can't actually get all of the nuances of the full-duration video, which also can't cover the full nuances of the study itself that it's based on (https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/2634-4505/ad310c).

Pop science videos making studies accessible to the general public are good, actually. I recommend that you stop being dismissive of them. Had you actually put in the time, you wouldn't have posted things that are in direct contradiction with the latest science on the subject, spreading misinformation in the process.

And snail trails.

what and shoot his very fine voters?

I can think of light trails that aren't chemical in nature

How are we this stupid?

I mean... He's said it himself. He doesn't really need them anymore.

Pretty sad that your comment gets so much attention while dismissing a huge breakthrough in research.

This is a very important piece of info that people who care about reducing flight emissions should know.

Republicans are in control