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selokichtli
lemmy.ml
selokichtli@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-03-20 |
Sorry to piss off all the Apple shills on here, but sounds like an opportunity to me. I think there's enough of us that want something better and some traction with Graphene and some Linux options. This should be a spark to ignite some fires. I'm disappointed but unsurpised by this news, but also a little excited about the window of motivation and opportunity this opens.
Honestly, I'm worried. Current Linux options are expensive and or shitty. IDK if Sailfish is still a thing. I can't use Apple. If I keep taking good care of my not-so-shitty Xiaomi phone, maybe I have a couple more years until I'm pwned. PostmarketOS seems promising, though. |
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Blade9732
lemmy.world
Blade9732@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
Way I see it, my iPhone is a pocket version of my Mac. The thing is, you can install software from whatever source you like on your Mac. That's not true of your iPhone - even in the EU and Japan where they've been forced to open up a little, apps can only be installed with Apple's permission. Macs were completely open in that regard until recently. You could install apps from wherever you want....
I love my Mac. I can install all kinds of cool software, as my Mac has been upgraded to only run Linux Mint.😉 |
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goatinspace
feddit.org
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rajano
lemmy.world
rajano@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-14 |
I have F-Droid on my Android phone. Iike having a marketplace where I can download floss apps. |
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linule
lemmy.world
linule@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-20 |
Time to popularize Linux phones. I read that the security model is lacking, but especially given that Android is Linux too, it shouldn’t be too difficult to catch up. The EU is also interested in tech independence, so that could be one of the sources of funding. And there are a few viable early projects, like Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish. |
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CalcProgrammer1
lemmy.today
CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.todayJoined: 2024-10-29 |
Honestly, I'm worried. Current Linux options are expensive and or shitty. IDK if Sailfish is still a thing. I can't use Apple. If I keep taking good care of my not-so-shitty Xiaomi phone, maybe I have a couple more years until I'm pwned. PostmarketOS seems promising, though.
PostmarketOS is already in a good state for a secondary device, though I don't think it can completely replace an Android phone just yet. Most devices still have some fundamental hardware support issues even on the more well supported phones (camera is the big one, call audio is also problematic on a lot of devices). However, as a pocketable Linux machine, it is wonderful. I got a second cheap SIM card so I can have data on my OnePlus 6 postmarketOS phone as there are a lot of tasks that work better on Linux than Android. I keep an Android daily driver but am trying to do less and less on it and more on the postmarketOS device. |
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3t13nn3
lemmy.zip
3t13nn3@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-16 |
I thought installing apps through ADB will still be possible ? So we can assume it will be possible with shizuku ? |
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vacuumflower
lemmy.sdf.org
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-07-09 |
Time to popularize Linux phones. I read that the security model is lacking, but especially given that Android is Linux too, it shouldn’t be too difficult to catch up. The EU is also interested in tech independence, so that could be one of the sources of funding. And there are a few viable early projects, like Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish.
Sailfish is not very alive. Ubuntu Touch too. But honestly yes. I think the problems are mostly in hardware support. |
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Danitos
reddthat.com
Danitos@reddthat.com Joined: 2024-01-17 |
It's mostly marketing honestly. They're both total ass.
No, unless you use GrapheneOS, iOS is far more secure than Android. |
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shneancy
lemmy.world
shneancy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-03 |
IMO the big problem with this is for old APKs that were created before this new developer registration requirement- you won't be able to install them at all without rooting or using a different vanilla Android version. It prohibits developers from creating apps and maintaining their anonymity but it also prevents scammers from anonymously stealing people's money with fake apps. Will be a big pr...
can i walk around this by simply never updating my phone? been (not?) doing that for a year already anyways |
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FauxLiving
lemmy.world
FauxLiving@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-10 |
Could you go over what Graphene is for phones? Is it easy to switch to an alternative to android?
It's Android with all of the Google removed where possible and sandboxed where not. You can choose to install the Google Play services and use it like any other Android phone or use it without any Google software. Some things won't work, namely things like some banking applications and NFC payments, because they require on hardware attestation that Google will not allow Graphene to pass. Essentially everything that isn't banking/payment related works exactly like any other Android phone. It is just a secure phone (though you can still install Facebook on it if you want) that is designed around mitigating attacks that could violate your privacy and security. Very easy to install, you just buy a Pixel directly from Google (don't buy from the carriers, they'll be locked). Enable OEM Unlocking in the Developer menu and then plug it into USB and you can install it directly from the Graphene site via WebUSB. It takes about 5-10 minutes, then your phone will reboot (It'll give you a scary looking screen about not running a Google OS that you'll see every time it reboots but it's just informational, it doesn't affect anything and the system will boot into GrapheneOS in a second or two). The more complete instructions and WebUSB install process: |
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rajano
lemmy.world
rajano@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-14 |
Honestly, I'm worried. Current Linux options are expensive and or shitty. IDK if Sailfish is still a thing. I can't use Apple. If I keep taking good care of my not-so-shitty Xiaomi phone, maybe I have a couple more years until I'm pwned. PostmarketOS seems promising, though.
I look forward to LibrePhone coming online. I hope it comes soon ... "Librephone — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software" https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/librephone |
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vext01
lemmy.sdf.org
vext01@lemmy.sdf.orgJoined: 2023-06-20 |
I have F-Droid on my Android phone. Iike having a marketplace where I can download floss apps.
I imagine lots of developers will jump to fdroid. Not sure what closed source apps who don't want to pay Google will do though... |
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froh42
lemmy.world
froh42@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
It's Android with all of the Google removed where possible and sandboxed where not. You can choose to install the Google Play services and use it like any other Android phone or use it without any Google software. Some things won't work, namely things like some banking applications and NFC payments, because they require on hardware attestation that Google will not allow Graphene to pass. Essent...
What really bugs me about it: The first step from "how to ungoogle your phone" is "go, give money to Google" by buying their hardware. |
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TroublesomeTalker
feddit.uk
TroublesomeTalker@feddit.uk Joined: 2023-06-10 |
No, because you can literally use an alt app store "Install F-Droid ↗ on your Android device(s). The more people that use alternative app marketplaces, the harder it will be to shut them out" Also, to data transfer anything, you're locked to iTunes on a specific device, on Android I could sideload apps from my SD card if I wanted, move pictures or video, etc.
Also. Apple has alt app stores in other regions. Data transfer on Apple hasn't needed iTunes for a long time, and it will read USB-c hard drives and keys. I don't disagree with you that iOS is more locked down, just pointing out the gap keeps getting smaller. I have a Jolla pre order in, because I'm a fan of open hardware, but it will likely be my android phone that I drop in favour of it. |
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bioluminescence
lemmy.blahaj.zone
bioluminescence@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2026-02-10 |
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XLE
piefed.social
XLE@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-23 Banned |
Honestly, I'm worried. Current Linux options are expensive and or shitty. IDK if Sailfish is still a thing. I can't use Apple. If I keep taking good care of my not-so-shitty Xiaomi phone, maybe I have a couple more years until I'm pwned. PostmarketOS seems promising, though.
If you care about using third-party Android apps, I have good news for you, but grim news for the ecosystem. You will still be able to use third-party apps. But it's going to be harder. You'll probably need to use something like Shizuku or an ADB tool. The first wave of those affected won't be you and me; it'll be people who aren't quite as technically competent. Then, slowly, a chilling effect will echo across independent development. |
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FauxLiving
lemmy.world
FauxLiving@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-10 |
What really bugs me about it: The first step from "how to ungoogle your phone" is "go, give money to Google" by buying their hardware.
It bugs me also. My thinking is that the part of Google that I think is bad is their advertising and algorithmic recommendation systems which are built on private data that I no longer wish to divulge. The Pixel is made by a company that used to be called HTC before they were consumed by Alphabet. That company produced good hardware that was smartly designed and innovative. That legacy continues with the device that Google has sells as the Pixel. There are a few things about the phone that Alphabet has tainted, such as the inability to use NFC payments because hardware running GrapheneOS isn't allowed into their secure hardware attestation chain. Not for any real technical reason, only because it allows Alphabet to disincentivize people away from a competitor by abusing their many monopoly powers. GrapheneOS takes advantage of the excellently designed HTC hardware to create an operating system that is designed from the ground up to be secure. It then leverages the complete control over your hardware to put Alphabet's other software inside of a little box where it constantly lies to the software in a way that lets your applications work without them actually being able to access everything on your device. Yes, it is technically an Alphabet product and giving them money can feel distasteful. However, in this case by buying their hardware you can cut off their software, which is the actual thing that is negatively affecting everything. I'd buy any other phone that fully supported GrapheneOS's requirements for future devices. Until then, I'm less worried about giving HTC money than I am about having a device that I know is under my control and that works to protect my privacy. |
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ExLisper
lemmy.curiana.net
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netJoined: 2025-03-22 |
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Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked. |
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sonofearth
lemmy.world
sonofearth@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-09-23 |
Not sure how I should feel about this, if I should support the cause to keep android "open" (when it's everything but), or if I should be happy that this piece of shit OS finally shows it's true colours and people (including me) will finally be forced to find an alternative or stop using this trashware all together. And hopefully developers finally get serious about GNU/Linux phones.
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DreamlandLividity
lemmy.world
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
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While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install. Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify themselves, or develop only for custom ROMs, or stop developing altogether. And I don't think many will choose the 2nd option. Also, 1st option may not be available if google does not like your app. |
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Yliaster
thelemmy.club
Yliaster@thelemmy.clubJoined: 2026-02-18 |
How do we defend our privacy on Android now? |
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ExLisper
lemmy.curiana.net
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netJoined: 2025-03-22 |
While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install. Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify the...
It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market. *Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal information and setting up way more complicated build configuration. |
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Nope
lemmy.dbzer0.com
yes@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-06-04 |
can i walk around this by simply never updating my phone? been (not?) doing that for a year already anyways
Will most likely not be a problem short-term but over time there will be apps that will require a newer OS version than the one you are stuck on and just stop running. The main reason you should not do that is because of known security issues that are not fixed in your old install. So you are opening yourself up to being more vulnerable to malicious software. |
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i078
europe.pub
i078@europe.pub Joined: 2026-01-13 |
While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install. Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify the...
The european movement away from american stuff however is increasing, I’m hopeful that Jolla, Fairphone and the ROM world will actually increase in importance and numbers |
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shneancy
lemmy.world
shneancy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-03 |
Will most likely not be a problem short-term but over time there will be apps that will require a newer OS version than the one you are stuck on and just stop running. The main reason you should not do that is because of known security issues that are not fixed in your old install. So you are opening yourself up to being more vulnerable to malicious software.
aw whack you're right, when my banking app stops supporting my OS version i'll have to update ya i know, but i don't really download anything on my phone or click suspicious links, i know this is not a perfect defence, but honestly, i hate UI changes more than i worry about malicious software |
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linule
lemmy.world
linule@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-20 |
Sailfish is not very alive. Ubuntu Touch too. But honestly yes. I think the problems are mostly in hardware support.
The political problems driving the push for independence are fairly recent, so the current state is unlikely to be extrapolable. There are devices using these operating systems that are also gaining popularity, like Jolla, Volla and Fair phone. |
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PalmTreeIsBestTree
lemmy.world
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-27 |
FUCK no! Apple is dogshit locked down like crazy, so, fuck no, politely.
At least I can get almost 10 years of updates on iOS. |
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jabjoe
feddit.uk
jabjoe@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-14 |
How do we defend our privacy on Android now?
Privacy isn't really in their interest. They feed off our data. |
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jabjoe
feddit.uk
jabjoe@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked.
It is surely called competition law? |
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jabjoe
feddit.uk
jabjoe@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Time to popularize Linux phones. I read that the security model is lacking, but especially given that Android is Linux too, it shouldn’t be too difficult to catch up. The EU is also interested in tech independence, so that could be one of the sources of funding. And there are a few viable early projects, like Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish.
There need to be enforced of competition law here. Companies aren't going to voluntarily support a platform with few users. Users aren't going to move to a platform without critical apps. We live in a dystopia were you have to have the banks app to do online banking even on your desktop. You can't charge your car without an app. You can't navigate your car without a map app that has traffic information. Etc etc. I want FOSS alternatives to all these, but there isn't and Google could take even having a FOSS platform at all. This something we need regulators to fix. It is a politically problem, not a technical one. America screwing up trust should wake up Europe to dealing with American tech monopolies. Now it's not something just nerds and economists complain about, it is a geopolitical problem. |
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lemmy.dbzer0.com
yes@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-06-04 |
aw whack you're right, when my banking app stops supporting my OS version i'll have to update ya i know, but i don't really download anything on my phone or click suspicious links, i know this is not a perfect defence, but honestly, i hate UI changes more than i worry about malicious software
Just wanted you to be aware. Not blaming you. It's an overall shitty situation / outlook. |
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Yliaster
thelemmy.club
Yliaster@thelemmy.clubJoined: 2026-02-18 |
Privacy isn't really in their interest. They feed off our data.
That's obvious, but before, we could use GrapheneOS and F-Droid etc to defend it ourselves. |
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eleitl
lemmy.zip
eleitl@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked.
The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now. |
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eleitl
lemmy.zip
eleitl@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install. Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify the...
I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install. |
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jabjoe
feddit.uk
jabjoe@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-14 |
I imagine lots of developers will jump to fdroid. Not sure what closed source apps who don't want to pay Google will do though...
You bank will be the last. Without your bank's app, you may not be able to do online banking. Car park apps. Public car charger apps. Even theme parks now have a ride booking app. There is more and more "app for that" with no alternative. We require law makers to get involved. America making it's tech monopolies a visible geopolitical problem should help us. |
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eleitl
lemmy.zip
eleitl@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
What really bugs me about it: The first step from "how to ungoogle your phone" is "go, give money to Google" by buying their hardware.
Buy refurbished. GOS support will be coming to a (yet unnamed) OEM. |
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DFX4509B
lemmy.wtf
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtfJoined: 2025-08-08 |
How soon before Windows copies this, given they already tried this sorta lockdown with S Mode? Also, couldn't Ubuntu hypothetically lock down the Snap store like this? |
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linule
lemmy.world
linule@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-20 |
There need to be enforced of competition law here. Companies aren't going to voluntarily support a platform with few users. Users aren't going to move to a platform without critical apps. We live in a dystopia were you have to have the banks app to do online banking even on your desktop. You can't charge your car without an app. You can't navigate your car without a map app that has traffic inf...
Fully agree, there should be regulations, temporary at least, that require/incentivize critical companies to make a mobile Linux version of their apps, as well as strategic funding and incentives to make the platforms viable. We as citizens should contribute too, increasing pressure for this to happen, spreading the message, becoming early adopters where possible, submitting feedback, contributing to development, etc. |
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MonkderVierte
lemmy.zip
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-05-30 |
It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market. *Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal informatio...
Yeah, uh, no alarm bells in the market watchdogs? None at all? |
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MatSeFi
lemmy.liebeleu.de
MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.deJoined: 2026-02-18 |
The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now.
Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. |
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Seefra 1
lemmy.zip
sefra1@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-24 |
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I understand, but there's a good argument that android is the reason why GNU/Linux phones don't get good. The death of android as an "open" platform would put some pressure to actual develop an alternative. |
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Akasazh
lemmy.world
Akasazh@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-24 |
Its a version of android OS that can be installed on Google Pixel phones. Its a relatively easy switch if you're technically inclined, but the device needs to be carrier unlocked.
I'll switch in a heartbeat if they support a nonGoogle phone |
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Pelicanen
sopuli.xyz
Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Honestly, I'm worried. Current Linux options are expensive and or shitty. IDK if Sailfish is still a thing. I can't use Apple. If I keep taking good care of my not-so-shitty Xiaomi phone, maybe I have a couple more years until I'm pwned. PostmarketOS seems promising, though.
SailfishOS is still very much a thing and they have a brand new phone on the way. Since it hasn't been released yet it's hard to get into specifics, but early interest seems to point in a positive direction at least. |
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sonofearth
lemmy.world
sonofearth@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-09-23 |
I understand, but there's a good argument that android is the reason why GNU/Linux phones don't get good. The death of android as an "open" platform would put some pressure to actual develop an alternative.
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JaddedFauceet
lemmy.world
JaddedFauceet@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
!linuxphones@lemmy.ca They aren't competitive with Android or iOS phones presently --- don't have the scale of userbase --- but there's only one way that that's going to change, and that's people starting to use them. ("Linux" here as in "GNU/Linux", as opposed to "the Linux kernel", which Android phones also use.) EDIT: Another option is to try to shift software use off of mobile devices as fa...
carrying a laptop won't help. If it helped, I won't mind running a termux os via proot also. I dont mind if it isn't optimised for small touchscreen yet. right now most mobile payment options in my country only work with android/ios. My bank requires a phone for its device token (2fa). The food and cab ordering platform is also exclusively on mobile only. very sad |
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Riverside
reddthat.com
Riverside@reddthat.com Joined: 2026-01-20 |
The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now.
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lbfgs
programming.dev
lbfgs@programming.dev Joined: 2025-12-20 |
Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked.
EU wants phones to be locked down so they can then make Google implement mass surveillance for "national security" reasons |
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eleitl
lemmy.zip
eleitl@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
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This describes the EU, in a nutshell https://theuaob.substack.com/p/the-comprador-calculus-why-europes |
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ExLisper
lemmy.curiana.net
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netJoined: 2025-03-22 |
EU wants phones to be locked down so they can then make Google implement mass surveillance for "national security" reasons
What are you basing this on? If you say "Chat Control" I will just ignore you. |
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