He can buy it, but maybe he should wait to drink it.

My rule is, if you are dead when brain dead with a beating heart then you are not alive until you are brain alive with a beating heart. Life starts with brain activity, around 16 weeks.

More like 32 years.

Never for some...

¿Isn't that the point? The embryo formed decades ago but implanted in 2024. By anti-abortion arguments the baby is a legal adult.

they froze an embryo in 1994, rather than eggs / sperm, so doesn't that count as conception and at least the first half of the IVF process?

either way, congrats to the new family!

This says the embryo was frozen in 1994. An embryo is already fertilized.

Alas, that's not the legal definition. Another reminder that legal is not necessarily ethical, and vice-versa.

Which then becomes an... Say it with us...

As a libertarian I would advocate selling liquor to all babies who want it.

I go by the Jewish rule.

In the Old Testament, God breathed life into Adam, and thus he became a living soul.

So until the infant takes its first breath, it's not an actual soul. It is a lump of tissue with potential.

I hope that there are as few abortions as are absolutely necessary, but I will not begrudge a single person their choice to have an abortion regardless of the stage of the pregnancy at which it happens.

Man, I miss the "As a libertarian" guy on reddit. Dude would start every comment like that before saying something insane.

Hilariously redundant.

Kid Beer?

It doesn't count as long as someone's argument relies on it not counting.

Which is basically how it always is.

That's what embryo means.

A fertilized egg.

As a 19th century physician I can only agree, and suggest pairing it with a spoonful of soothing cocaine syrup for maximum efficacy.

As a libertarian, I'd also still comment on Reddit.

You're almost there dude... Just keep working through each step and you'll catch up eventually.

Oh, you mean I get to have some brain activity soon?

it's not an actual soul. It is a lump of tissue with potential.

It's part of the mother according to Jewish law.

Don’t waste my fucking time, baby beer.

How is this confusing anyone? We count age from date of birth. Anything that happens before that has nothing to do with your legal age any more than whether you were carried for more or less than 9 months. This would only become interesting if someone froze a toddler for 30 years or something.

Respiration still occurs through the umbilical. You shouldn't use sky fairy tales for scientific bases.

Waiting to be alive any day now

This one is silly and a good way to mock the church (big fan of mocking them).

That being said, what if a 5 year old falls into a coma for 16 years? I figure the mental age is still 5, although I think the chances of this happening are very low since a coma doesn't work like they show it in Hollywood.

Logic is typically lost on the feeble-minded. I'm aware you are around us. Believe what you want, but it should play zero role in public policy.

Trying not to upvote flawed arguments just because it supports my views challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

Yes but abortion procedures are not unique to Jewish doctors. Egypt, China, India, Rome; all of them practiced abortions both medically induced and surgical.

Also, public policy should ensure nobody goes hungry.

I'd sell liquor to ANY baby. Drunk babies and toddlers are hilarious.

Didn't give them any ideas lol

Praximis_Prime_ARG iirc, the best part was that they'd include a link to a libertarian actually saying that exact thing.

Internal (diffusion of gases from the bloodstream into the tissues of the body) respiration =/=external respiration (diffusion of atmospheric gases through the alveolus into the bloodstream)

And respiration is only half of breathing, the other half being ventilation.

Don't use science to put someone down when you don't even understand what you're talking about

I would, but I'd sell liquor to any baby.

Yeah!!! That's the guy. He's used multiple accounts over the years. Dude was funny as hell.

As a libertarian I would advocate selling liquor to all babies who can afford it.

FTFY

If there was a fire and you only had time to save one of these, which would you save: a one-month old baby, or a flask containing 100 frozen human embryos.

Is the fire making me uncomfortable? I might just sit there saying "This is fine" until it's too late to save either.

Or scout outside to make sure it is really safer than inside before discovering it's too late to save either.

Or maybe flip the lever between the front wheels and back wheels going over the switch for some multi-track drifting--ah nm, that doesn't work for this version of the trolly problem.

I respect your rejection of the premise.

As a libertarian I would advocate selling liquor to all babies who want it

Yeah, seems like this might be a bad faith argument intended to cause more division. It's a flimsy argument that people who like the point it's trying to make might ignore that big thing that makes it fall apart while those against it won't ignore that and will see the other side ignoring it as dishonest.

If they want it enough they'll get a good enough job to afford it so that's redundant.

that's a good steelman. but this is why I think the better argument is Hasan's usual hypothetical about this: there's a fire in a hospital and you can only get into one of the rooms in time to save some people. do you go into NICU where you could save a couple babies or to the IVF section where you can save thousands of embryos?

In this thread: people who are going to lose our liquor sales licenses when we're caught in a sting operation by an undecover cop baby.