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Pommes_für_dein_Balg feddit.org mech@feddit.org
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woelkchen lemmy.world woelkchen@lemmy.world
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#2 · Quote Reply

That's pretty much what GNU is about, just technologically superior.

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Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ piefed.zip Sxan@piefed.zip
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#3 · Quote Reply

Inevitable.

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mogoh lemmy.ml mogoh@lemmy.ml
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#4 · Quote Reply

PulseAudio? We are at Pipewired now!

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Saapas piefed.zip Saapas@piefed.zip
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#5 · Quote Reply

I honestly thought systemd-homed seemed like a pretty sweet idea, last time I heard about it. Of course it was mostly just people screaming how systemd was literally hitler for even suggesting it

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mmmm sopuli.xyz mmmm@sopuli.xyz
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#6 · Quote Reply

You had the chance to call it SystemdOSd and somehow you missed it. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

Also why aren't you including the most important piece, systemd-antivirusd?

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#7 · (edited) Quote Reply

You had the chance to call it SystemdOSd and somehow you missed it. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. Also why aren't you including the most important piece, systemd-antivirusd?

I have no idea where the antivirus came from?
OP uses mostly actual examples of Linux functionality.
I have never used nor needed an antivirus on Linux. And I haven't heard that systemd should have anything special in that area either.

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esc piefed.social esc@piefed.social
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#8 · Quote Reply

I honestly thought systemd-homed seemed like a pretty sweet idea, last time I heard about it. Of course it was mostly just people screaming how systemd was literally hitler for even suggesting it

Almost every project under systemd umbrella is great, most distros really underutilize it's capabilities.

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#9 · Quote Reply

PulseAudio? We are at Pipewired now!

Absolutely, but I guess the joke is that Pulseaudio was also a project headed by Lennart Poettering.
Pulse was much hated by some, but actually brought substantial improvements to the Linux audio stack at the time.

The transition to Pipewire however has been amazingly smooth by comparison. I haven't detected any downsides, and the switch caused zero issues.

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#10 · (edited) Quote Reply

This post is amusing and funny, but personally I love systemd and I was also very fond of PulseAudio that brought massive improvements at the time.
Lennart Poettering is absolutely a hero of Linux and Open Source, and helping Linux as a full blown high quality OS get to where it is today. Stronger and better than ever!!! Contrary to other major operating systems that suffer from serious Enshittification.

Remember before systemd the most popular init system was upstart, and upstart was buggy as hell, with very serious bugs that existed for years without being fixed, because the basic design of init systems made it very very hard (impossible). and upstart was arguably the best among the rest. But because Ubuntu also switched to systemd, upstart has been deprecated because Upstart was an Ubuntu project.

systemd was an entirely new design strategy that fixed errors that had been impossible to fix with traditional init systems.
However some still prefer System V init, and I think Gentoo still uses that as default, I suppose because they find it better (easier to use) for tinkerers that micro-control everything.

But IMO the design of systemd seems like pure genius, really a solution to a problem that needed fixing.

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Pommes_für_dein_Balg feddit.org mech@feddit.org
Joined: 2025-10-06
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I have no idea where the antivirus came from? OP uses mostly actual examples of Linux functionality. I have never used nor needed an antivirus on Linux. And I haven't heard that systemd should have anything special in that area either.

Antivirus in the classical sense is an outdated concept anyway.
Nowadays, if you want to protect your system, you need endpoint protection that supervises everything with system-level root access and only allows whitelisted processes to run.

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jdr lemmy.ml jdr@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2021-07-28
#12 · Quote Reply

Format your drive with ddd

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prettybunnys piefed.social prettybunnys@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-10
#13 · Quote Reply

This post is amusing and funny, but personally I love systemd and I was also very fond of PulseAudio that brought massive improvements at the time. Lennart Poettering is absolutely a hero of Linux and Open Source, and helping Linux as a full blown high quality OS get to where it is today. Stronger and better than ever!!! Contrary to other major operating systems that suffer from serious Enshitt...

I’d wager most folks aren’t even sure why systemd was “controversial” and don’t remember a time before it, but are instead just jumping on systemd implementing age as a field.

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
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#14 · Quote Reply

I’d wager most folks aren’t even sure why systemd was “controversial” and don’t remember a time before it, but are instead just jumping on systemd implementing age as a field.

A lot of the controversy against systemd was pure bullshit.

but are instead just jumping on systemd implementing age as a field.

My guess is you are right, but age verification is not an idea of systemd, implementing it is an attempt at making it possible to fulfill a legal requirement by some countries. It's stupid, but stupid is now planned to be legally required in some countries.

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MonkderVierte lemmy.zip MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
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#15 · (edited) Quote Reply

This post is amusing and funny, but personally I love systemd and I was also very fond of PulseAudio that brought massive improvements at the time. Lennart Poettering is absolutely a hero of Linux and Open Source, and helping Linux as a full blown high quality OS get to where it is today. Stronger and better than ever!!! Contrary to other major operating systems that suffer from serious Enshitt...
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prettybunnys piefed.social prettybunnys@piefed.social
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#16 · Quote Reply

A lot of the controversy against systemd was pure bullshit. but are instead just jumping on systemd implementing age as a field. My guess is you are right, but age verification is not an idea of systemd, implementing it is an attempt at making it possible to fulfill a legal requirement by some countries. It's stupid, but stupid is now planned to be legally required in some countries.

Yep, turns out technology enthusiasts who have a vested interest in an operating system are an opinionated bunch

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#17 · Quote Reply

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WTF? I also mentioned upstart, and I call them init systems after the original init?!

Can you even read?

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MonkderVierte lemmy.zip MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
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#18 · Quote Reply

WTF? I also mentioned upstart, and I call them init systems after the original init?! Can you even read?

I zoomed too fast, my bad.

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
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#19 · Quote Reply

I zoomed too fast, my bad.

OK at least you admit the mistake. 👍

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rektstarsceosu lemmy.zip rektstarsceosu@lemmy.zip
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#20 · Quote Reply

rmd -rfd /d --nod-preserved-rootd

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communism lemmy.ml communism@lemmy.ml
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#21 · Quote Reply

Enjoying the term daemond.

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GooeyGlob lemmy.world gooeyglob@lemmy.world
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#22 · Quote Reply

Replaced my third system with artix and could not be happier.

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SigHunter discuss.tchncs.de SigHunter@discuss.tchncs.de
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#23 · Quote Reply

This post is amusing and funny, but personally I love systemd and I was also very fond of PulseAudio that brought massive improvements at the time. Lennart Poettering is absolutely a hero of Linux and Open Source, and helping Linux as a full blown high quality OS get to where it is today. Stronger and better than ever!!! Contrary to other major operating systems that suffer from serious Enshitt...

Gentoo offers systemd and OpenRC, not SysV

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Agent641 lemmy.world Agent641@lemmy.world
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#24 · Quote Reply

rmd -rfd /d --nod-preserved-rootd

You forgot your sudod

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ozymandias117 lemmy.world ozymandias117@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-22
#25 · Quote Reply

Minor notes, then we can begin implementation

Only systemd is in PID1, login, journal, etc are their own PIDs

Surely we'd use pipewired, not pulseaudiod

Graphics and system ram may be unified, so we need a RAMArbitord that is shared between the main kernel and DRM blocks

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spectrums_coherence piefed.social spectrums_coherence@piefed.social
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#26 · Quote Reply

D-Bus Daemond is superceded by systemd-busd

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Semperverus lemmy.world semperverus@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-11
#27 · Quote Reply

This post is amusing and funny, but personally I love systemd and I was also very fond of PulseAudio that brought massive improvements at the time. Lennart Poettering is absolutely a hero of Linux and Open Source, and helping Linux as a full blown high quality OS get to where it is today. Stronger and better than ever!!! Contrary to other major operating systems that suffer from serious Enshitt...

SystemD itself was fine. Not great but better than what we had and I was happy with what it did.

But then it started to sprawl and take over things it had no business doing.

At this point I am no longer using the Linux kernel, I'm using the SystemD kernel, and as soon as Poettering feels like it he can simply sell the rights to SystemD to a big corpo like Microsoft once everything fully depends on it.

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Semperverus lemmy.world semperverus@lemmy.world
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#28 · Quote Reply

I’d wager most folks aren’t even sure why systemd was “controversial” and don’t remember a time before it, but are instead just jumping on systemd implementing age as a field.

Ive been riding SystemD for its faults since the beginning. The age verification was just one more on the pile.

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Feathercrown lemmy.world Feathercrown@lemmy.world
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#29 · Quote Reply

Format your drive with ddd

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Hildegard (she/her) lemmy.blahaj.zone hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#30 · Quote Reply

I'm hyped for the systemd web browser and systemd 3D modeling software. It will be the full system one day.

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1995ToyotaCorolla lemmy.world 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#31 · Quote Reply

You forgot your sudod

Userd is not listed in sudoers.filed. Lennart poettering will now teleport behind you

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muhyb programming.dev muhyb@programming.dev
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#32 · Quote Reply

Format your drive with ddd

disk destroyer deluxe

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
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#33 · Quote Reply

SystemD itself was fine. Not great but better than what we had and I was happy with what it did. But then it started to sprawl and take over things it had no business doing. At this point I am no longer using the Linux kernel, I'm using the SystemD kernel, and as soon as Poettering feels like it he can simply sell the rights to SystemD to a big corpo like Microsoft once everything fully depends on it.

There were pros and cons, I get the annoyance with the binary vs text files.
But systemd booted faster than upstart, despite upstart was made for speed and systemd was made for being robust. The robustness of systemd however made it possible to make the ini process multithreaded and still work flawlessly, where old ini systems tend to have race conditions that make it near impossible.
systemd is more robust, faster and more flexible, so how it wasn't great remains a mystery to me?

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
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#34 · Quote Reply

Gentoo offers systemd and OpenRC, not SysV

OK thanks apparently OpenRC is a further development of Sysvinit, having many similarities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC

Parallel service startup (off by default)

This is probably because it's still hard to get to work without handcrafting for a particular system, IMO a very telling difference between the old init designs contrary to systemd that handles parallel startups like a champ.

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fnrir lemmy.blahaj.zone fnrir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#35 · Quote Reply

Userd is not listed in sudoers.filed. Lennart poettering will now teleport behind you

Do you mean run0(d)?

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printf("%s", name); piefed.blahaj.zone akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
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#36 · (edited) Quote Reply

Hardwared killed me. Am I crazy to assume it will be available for both x86d and x86d-64d?

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rektstarsceosu lemmy.zip rektstarsceosu@lemmy.zip
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#37 · Quote Reply

You forgot your sudod

i always run my shelld as rootd 😎

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juipeltje lemmy.world juipeltje@lemmy.world
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#38 · Quote Reply

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact Systemd/Linux, or as i've recently taken to calling it, Systemd plus Linux.

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teslekova sh.itjust.works teslekova@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-09
#39 · Quote Reply

Userd is not listed in sudoers.filed. Lennart poettering will now teleport behind you

Nothingd personelld

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black0ut pawb.social black0ut@pawb.social
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#40 · Quote Reply

I honestly thought systemd-homed seemed like a pretty sweet idea, last time I heard about it. Of course it was mostly just people screaming how systemd was literally hitler for even suggesting it

Arch adopted systemd-homed and, at the time, I didn't even know what it did. But it somehow borked my system. I never needed it, it was added for no reason, and like a lot of systemd features, it broke stuff.

I'm still salty about systemd-networkd messing up my network. Or about systemd-resolved taking over my custom DNS.

I have so many systemd packages blacklisted atp, and I don't even want to. But they keep breaking shit.

This is just an anecdote and it may not be representative of anything, but that's my 2 cents.

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mlg lemmy.world mlg@lemmy.world
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#41 · Quote Reply

My favorite systemd moment was when Lennart and Kay shouted "systemdeez nutz!" in the kernel mailing list and then proceeded to systemd all over the place.

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black0ut pawb.social black0ut@pawb.social
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#42 · Quote Reply

OK thanks apparently OpenRC is a further development of Sysvinit, having many similarities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC Parallel service startup (off by default) This is probably because it's still hard to get to work without handcrafting for a particular system, IMO a very telling difference between the old init designs contrary to systemd that handles parallel startups like a champ.

In my experience, booting using single threaded inits (at least in their early stages) actually speeds up the process. The overhead from multithreaded startup on something as simple as an init system can hurt startup performance, especially on older CPUs.

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prole lemmy.blahaj.zone prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#43 · Quote Reply

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact Systemd/Linux, or as i've recently taken to calling it, Systemd plus Linux.

Here's the thing. You said "Systemd/Linux is Linux."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a scientist who studies Linux, I am telling you, specifically....

Eh fuck it, you get the idea

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aurelar lemmy.ml aurelar@lemmy.ml
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#44 · Quote Reply

Don't give them ideas.

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corsicanguppy lemmy.ca corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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#45 · Quote Reply

This post is amusing and funny, but personally I love systemd and I was also very fond of PulseAudio that brought massive improvements at the time. Lennart Poettering is absolutely a hero of Linux and Open Source, and helping Linux as a full blown high quality OS get to where it is today. Stronger and better than ever!!! Contrary to other major operating systems that suffer from serious Enshitt...

Remember before systemd the most popular init system was upstart,

For 5 years; maybe. Before, during, and since, sysV is still the most popular.

And, as dictionaries, politics and Windows will tell you, what is popular is not always best.

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Bilb! lemmy.ml bilb@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-12-23
#46 · Quote Reply

Here's the thing. You said "Systemd/Linux is Linux." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies Linux, I am telling you, specifically.... Eh fuck it, you get the idea

I wonder what Unidan is doing these days.

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khánh lemmy.zip khanh@lemmy.zip
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wltr discuss.tchncs.de wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
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#48 · Quote Reply

I had to check the sub, as that was convincing!

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Buffalox lemmy.world Buffalox@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#49 · Quote Reply

Remember before systemd the most popular init system was upstart, For 5 years; maybe. Before, during, and since, sysV is still the most popular. And, as dictionaries, politics and Windows will tell you, what is popular is not always best.

Yes upstart was relatively short lived 8 years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart_(software)

But Ubuntu did put some effort into improving the init process with Upstart, and it was the fastest init system until systemd beat it by being way way better at multi threading.
Ubuntu also massively improved how well Linux worked on laptops, and upstart was part of that effort too.
What is best can be subjective, being the most popular signifies that most people found it to be best.

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Billegh lemmy.world bhamlin@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#50 · Quote Reply

I wonder what Unidan is doing these days.

Probably still playing with his jackdaws.

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Billegh lemmy.world bhamlin@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#51 · (edited) Quote Reply

Hardwared killed me. Am I crazy to assume it will be available for both x86d and x86d-64d?

I'll hold out for riscvd

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