It's true.

Just try having a discussion about Age or ID Verification or the Brave Browser and see how quickly you get dogpiled and downvoted to hell if what you think isn't the accepted orthodoxy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ7wB4rm5Hw

i don't see those as incompatible. you can be an anarchist and very controlling over your own online space.

Again, as long as you're very explicit about it. But don't call it an anarchist space. It's then a space, run by an anarchist, that doesn't follow the rules of anarchism.

shrug i mean i guess but there is nothing about enforcing regulation that is anti-anarchist.

I think many people feel this way, and I think in many cases another thing that plays into it is not realising the amount of good moderators, because good moderation usually doesn't make as much noise as when it's bad.

If I think of all the communities in lemmy/piefed I like, the perfect/near perfect moderation from my browsing heavily outweighs anything problematic.

Just tell them that moral absolutism benefits the status-quo.

Because it's true. It does. I think it's actually a psyop by the capitalists to prevent socialism ever taking a foothold or affecting their money. Capitalists are afraid of positive incremental change, so they tricked leftists into being afraid of it too.

I don't think it's fair or productive to conflate America or Israel with "the West".

First of all, it's an ancient term used to describe sides in a conflict long since over, in some cases containing countries that don't even exist anymore.

Secondly, it includes countries that actively oppose the US and Israel's actions, like Ireland, or Spain.

Third, it doesn't make any fucking sense, because it includes Japan, which is about as far east as you can get.

Yeah the problem is that these people are deciding that "I am a nazi and I think white people are the supreme race and I want to install a fascist state" and "I don't think China is actually socialist" are both nazi, fascist, bigoted speech, and then people like you are saying "no that doesn't happen they only go after the bad stuff every single time and never get anything wrong".

It's all fun and games until you say that China is wearing socialism as a cloak the same way America wears Christianity or Israel wears anti-semitism.

People keep setting up these Punching bars and then get mad when their patrons get Punched.

Enforcing regulation and enforcing one's own personal views are two different things. This entire convo is supposed to focus on the latter, not confuse them with each other.

Anarchism is not about zero enforcement of rules. Especially wise ones like don't dittle kids...

How do you see overly heavy opinion based moderation if you're never the target of it? You don't. You just see communities that are weirdly same-think. Though I bet you'd just dismiss it as a consequence of the fediverse already self-selecting for a certain type, but that is wrong.

There is bad moderation all over the place, but you don't see it, because many mods/admins prefer to ban and delete than to let the vote system do its job.

By noticing people complaining about it :)
Also being aware of certain biases and such, and looking for the existence of posts that would be deleted if the bias was heavy, etc.

Sure, some stuff might fall under the radar or stay for a long time, definitely a thing.

They did. Why are you tone policing? You're doing exactly what they're saying is bad...

Uh oh. One or the other found you, here comes the brigade!

You're doing so much projection here it's genuinely sad.

I’ve been brigaded by better instances.

No, you are. You are just in denial about it.

lol

If you're losing the battle of wisdom against a toddler, perhaps there is a reason to listen to that toddler...

You seem to not understand how anarchy works. It is not, "no rules and everyone is equal amd does what they want". It's, "nobody is given de facto authority over others with which they can cudgel their compatriots". Not having de facto, unquestionable authority is a long ways away from, "there are no rules for society".

Nah, the complaints get deleted faster than the wrong-think. The point is you aren't given enough to 'notice' when the hammer comes down as it does in many communities here.

You know that anarchism doesn't mean no rules right? It just means no rulers, but that's not how it works on Lemmy or any social media of this type for that matter.

"The only people worried about privacy are those with something to hide."

So then why is this still here?

The west doesn’t support human rights, and the fascists are already in power.

Unfortunately as a society we believe that we support human rights so as a society we are not ready to face our fascist traits.

If your opinion is that Age verification is a good thing or the Brave Browser isn't a product of a company which has a right-wing homophobe as CEO then your opinion is colliding with hard facts.

Age Verification is simply deanonymization of the internet through the backdoor, raising a lot of privacy and cybersecurity questions. Paradoxically, it creates security risks for the children "being protected".

Brendan Eich is NOT a good person. He is a verified homophobe , conspiracy theorist and his browser, even if it's currently a good deal for the end user, is under constant pressure from shareholders to produce more revenue. It is therefore prone to enshittification in the future. Also, even if the browser blocks third party trackers by default, should you opt in to Brave ads, there is local behavioral tracking and tokenized reporting going on , which enables indirect tracking.

You have your right to your opinion. You don't have the right to be shielded from criticism for your opinions, and it is the in the literal job description for a moderator to curb misinformation to ensure the health of a community.

Because this is hardly a contentious discussion or topic, and something doesn't have to be a guarantee to never the less be a trend..?

I don't love moderating my communities at all. I barely even read the reports. 🤷‍♂️

Bert Kreischer has been banned from the chat

That's why I rigorously review the modlog. Unlike Reddit or other social media, there is a public record of everything every mod does.

That's also why there are mod abuse report comms. There's more than one, too, since some of the originals are on an instance with an abusive admin.

Okay, I'll bite. I need to add to my block list anyway.

Y'all have heard of the Nazi Bar problem, right?
Paradox of intolerance? Which turns out not to be a paradox after all? You should def look that one up rather than waiting for me to type it all out.

Toddler thoughts

Cope

Cope

Thank you for the reply. I hope you have a lovely Sunday.

"You are allowed to do anything you want, so long as it's exactly what we say"

It just means no rulers, but that's not how it works

...anywhere in reality.

It's not possible, because anyone who realizes "I am the nazi" and enforces justice, is dead, or worse. You won't be hearing these voices of reason, unless they did well from the start.

I remember I was an administrator, and the moderator threatened to ban me. That was fun, I was like "Oh no, please don't". And I just played along.

As an administrator, I had only 2 modes: Not sure, can't ban this person without more evidence, and "that is a liability, shut down the server!". So I didn't react to most things that were done, even if they were technically against the rules. Then when I became the owner, I set a pol for people to decide if I should just delete the server, because I knew I didn't have the time to make sure some truly heinous stuff does not happen.

Hey! I will have you know that we're are all different and unique in exactly the same way.

So how is that different when it’s online vs offline?

It’s ironic you state it like this, since we are an explicitly anarchist server ;)

it's not really ironic as i am well aware that you are and i appreciate you for that :)

what i'm saying is that i'm glad that, despite obviously being a (fellow!) proponent of freedom of expression, you haven't fallen victim to the childish line of thought which leads some people to let their spaces become nazi bars. so: thanks!

But don’t call it an anarchist space

tell me you've never been in a non-internet anarchist space without telling me 😂

(hint: offline anarchist bars and other spaces tend not to tolerate fascists either)

rules of anarchism

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(this is a bit, right?)

Lemmy is a Tankie Bar.

Humans spent thousands of years without rulers. Also, look at all the grassroots organizations trying to stop fascism in America right now.

Leaders are dispensable AND disposable. We do not need them.

Schrödinger Anarchist: both has and hasn't rules.

People like to refer to the paradox of tolerance but always skip out on the inconvenient bit:

""Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

— In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.""

If you are not able to rationally argue why we shouldn't be bigoted, I don't know what to tell you.

the spiciest take

nobody wants to change the game, they're just mad that they're not winning it