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jabjoe
feddit.uk
jabjoe@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-14 |
That's obvious, but before, we could use GrapheneOS and F-Droid etc to defend it ourselves. I'm not expecting Google to help, just hoping the resistance has something up its sleeve too.
I'm basically am doing exactly this. But I'm only on GrapheneOS as I had to compromise on some closed apps that refused to run on LineageOS. GrapheneOS means I can compromise on Google a bit without being completely compromised by Google. The market and geopolitical problem remains. |
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Blemgo
lemmy.world
Blemgo@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-13 |
How soon before Windows copies this, given they already tried this sorta lockdown with S Mode? Also, couldn't Ubuntu hypothetically lock down the Snap store like this?
I'm sceptical with Windows, considering that most programs are installed via EXE files, so the outcry will be huge. But I'm not saying it can't be a possibility. With Ubuntu there would only be a chance of it happening if they also make their distro immutable. That way the user could not as easily install packages the traditional way. But even then there might be ways to disable this immutable mode for troubleshooting. |
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jabjoe
feddit.uk
jabjoe@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Fully agree, there should be regulations, temporary at least, that require/incentivize critical companies to make a mobile Linux version of their apps, as well as strategic funding and incentives to make the platforms viable. We as citizens should contribute too, increasing pressure for this to happen, spreading the message, becoming early adopters where possible, submitting feedback, contribut...
We need to support political groups fighting for us, not just think in terms of technology. In the UK it is OpenRightsGroup, maybe the Greens party, in Europe there is the Pirate Party, Greens, Free Software Foundation Europe, and more. We should be trying to get politicians into this. |
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Riverside
reddthat.com
Riverside@reddthat.com Joined: 2026-01-20 |
This describes the EU, in a nutshell https://theuaob.substack.com/p/the-comprador-calculus-why-europes The fascists have already won.
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DreamlandLividity
lemmy.world
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install.
Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet. |
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DreamlandLividity
lemmy.world
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market. *Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal informatio...
Please see the edit with clarification, since I guess I wrote it poorly and multiple commenters did not get my point. |
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Seefra 1
lemmy.zip
sefra1@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-24 |
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I meant that it would die as an "open" platform, so power users would be compelled to stop using android. |
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eleitl
lemmy.zip
eleitl@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet.
GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these. |
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asdfasdfasdf
lemmy.world
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-25 |
Sorry to piss off all the Apple shills on here, but sounds like an opportunity to me. I think there's enough of us that want something better and some traction with Graphene and some Linux options. This should be a spark to ignite some fires. I'm disappointed but unsurpised by this news, but also a little excited about the window of motivation and opportunity this opens.
What kind of traction? Is it missing something? Or do you just mean more developers behind it? |
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CerebralHawks
lemmy.dbzer0.com
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-08-18 |
Way I see it, my iPhone is a pocket version of my Mac. The thing is, you can install software from whatever source you like on your Mac. That's not true of your iPhone - even in the EU and Japan where they've been forced to open up a little, apps can only be installed with Apple's permission. Macs were completely open in that regard until recently. You could install apps from wherever you want....
"You can't install whatever software you want" is a good argument, but I haven't found anything I want to install on my iPhone that I can't. At one point it was emulators, but Apple overturned that a few years ago. I have an emulator on my iPhone, and it's one of the best (Delta; if you say RetroArch is better, I don't disagree, but I could get that, too). But I almost never play it. That's entirely my choice. My use case scenario doesn't need me installing any apps that aren't in the App Store. Not that I don't have a problem with the App Store. It's mostly trash. They don't highlight good apps, they highlight profitable apps, which means subscriptions. App Store is virtually 100% trash, and its recommendations are 100% trash. |
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mjr
infosec.pub
mjr@infosec.pubJoined: 2025-10-26 |
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Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet. |
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Squizzy
lemmy.world
Squizzy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
What are you basing this on? If you say "Chat Control" I will just ignore you.
Chat control is an issue tbough why ignore it? |
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Squizzy
lemmy.world
Squizzy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
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Riverside
reddthat.com
Riverside@reddthat.com Joined: 2026-01-20 |
Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet.
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Meshuggah333
piefed.world
Meshuggah333@piefed.worldJoined: 2026-01-29 |
Time to popularize Linux phones. I read that the security model is lacking, but especially given that Android is Linux too, it shouldn’t be too difficult to catch up. The EU is also interested in tech independence, so that could be one of the sources of funding. And there are a few viable early projects, like Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish.
Android is not Linux (the OS), it just uses the Linux kernel. That means almost nothing is transferable from one OS to the other unfortunately. |
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Riverside
reddthat.com
Riverside@reddthat.com Joined: 2026-01-20 |
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anon_8675309
lemmy.world
anon_8675309@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-01 |
So basically they wanna be Apple. |
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ZeroOne
lemmy.world
MITM0@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-29 |
In the meantime port linux OSs to be easilly installable on Android devices |
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mrnobody
reddthat.com
mrnobody@reddthat.com Joined: 2026-01-08 |
At least I can get almost 10 years of updates on iOS.
Where they slow down your phone to try and force an upgrade? Let's be real, how many people keep phones passed their 1-2 year upgrade cycle? I'm coming up on 4 years a my android, and outside of me dropping it in a pool it's worked well! I'm finally ready to upgrade tho since it's still funky ever since then. |
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ptu
sopuli.xyz
ptu@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2025-06-04 |
Android is not Linux (the OS), it just uses the Linux kernel. That means almost nothing is transferable from one OS to the other unfortunately.
You can run Android apps on Sailfish via AppSupport |
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mrnobody
reddthat.com
mrnobody@reddthat.com Joined: 2026-01-08 |
The link you posted literally has this banner at the top F-Droid is under threat. Google is changing the way you install apps on your device. We need your help.
Yes... It does... I copied straight from the article, and a way to combat the whole Dev reg thing was to... Install alt store!!! Whoa! |
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Galactose
sopuli.xyz
biotin7@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-08-05 |
In the meantime port linux OSs to be easilly installable on Android devices
Also how do we get our hands on the geniuses behimd this fiasco ? |
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PalmTreeIsBestTree
lemmy.world
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-27 |
Where they slow down your phone to try and force an upgrade? Let's be real, how many people keep phones passed their 1-2 year upgrade cycle? I'm coming up on 4 years a my android, and outside of me dropping it in a pool it's worked well! I'm finally ready to upgrade tho since it's still funky ever since then.
I usually upgrade every 6 to 7 years. |
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ExLisper
lemmy.curiana.net
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netJoined: 2025-03-22 |
Chat control is an issue tbough why ignore it?
Chat Control is not implementing mass surveillance and has nothing to do with national security. I that's their only argument they are confused and there's nothing to talk about. If they have other arguments I would like to hear them. |
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NebLem
lemmy.world
neblem@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-09 |
It is, if you can unlock the bootloader.
It should be illegal to not allow unlocking the bootloader, but it is very common. |
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GreenBottles
lemmy.world
sturmblast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
Linux phones look more and more attractive |
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generic1546
lemmy.ca
generic1546@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-01-20 |
Linux phones look more and more attractive
Graphene OS |
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vacuumflower
lemmy.sdf.org
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-07-09 |
How do we defend our privacy on Android now?
Never could. Power of thousands of paid developers against a few. That's like finding all needles in a haystack, and power determines the size of that haystack and the amount of needles. You can't use something that cost that much to make and expect to divert from what the producers intended. |
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Zak
lemmy.world
Zak@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-11 |
"You can't install whatever software you want" is a good argument, but I haven't found anything I want to install on my iPhone that I can't. At one point it was emulators, but Apple overturned that a few years ago. I have an emulator on my iPhone, and it's one of the best (Delta; if you say RetroArch is better, I don't disagree, but I could get that, too). But I almost never play it. That's ent...
So you have found something you wanted to install on your iPhone that you couldn't, but Apple has decided to allow it for now. I think it's pretty obvious how this is a problem. Of course you're not going to find apps that exist that you can't install because Apple says so. People won't bother making them if they can only be distributed to the tiny handful of users with jailbroken devices. Of course it comes up on occasion when Apple withdraws permission, with ICEBlock being the recent socially important case. |
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Gaja0
lemmy.zip
Gaja0@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Where they slow down your phone to try and force an upgrade? Let's be real, how many people keep phones passed their 1-2 year upgrade cycle? I'm coming up on 4 years a my android, and outside of me dropping it in a pool it's worked well! I'm finally ready to upgrade tho since it's still funky ever since then.
iPhones are premium, whether you like Apple or not. I like an SD slot and the ability to have access to different apps. Most people don't care. Apple built a phone that works and looks/performs well years after its released (when they're not intentionally throttling phones with updates.) |
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Mohamad20ZX
sopuli.xyz
Mohamad20ZX@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2025-07-27 |
Linux phones look more and more attractive
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Allero
lemmy.today
Allero@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-12-20 |
Graphene OS
As far as I know, it is still reliant on the whims of Google through shenanigans with AOSP, and of course having to use a Pixel. Linux offers a more solid and independent foundation, and while it is less polished yet, to me it's the only real way out in the long run. Still, GrapheneOS is a big step in the right direction - hope it wouldn't come across as me being against the project. |
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arcine
jlai.lu
arcine@jlai.lu Joined: 2026-02-15 |
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coolmojo
lemmy.world
coolmojo@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-21 |
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You can still use a dump phone. You can play and browse Wikipedia on a Steam Deck which has WiFi. If you are outsid, you can use a Mifi device of a USB LTE/5G dongle for the SteamDeck. |
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rumba
lemmy.zip
rumba@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-09-24 |
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rumba
lemmy.zip
rumba@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-09-24 |
In reply to an earlier post
It means they fork and they're going to need funding to keep up with security work at least. |
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Squizzy
lemmy.world
Squizzy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Chat Control is not implementing mass surveillance and has nothing to do with national security. I that's their only argument they are confused and there's nothing to talk about. If they have other arguments I would like to hear them.
It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials. It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person. |
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Squizzy
lemmy.world
Squizzy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
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The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. |
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Squizzy
lemmy.world
Squizzy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
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American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. |
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lechekaflan
lemmy.world
lechekaflan@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
Feels a lot more interesting to just pick up a feature phone, and use it as a hotspot modem for a laptop. |
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YiddishMcSquidish
lemmy.today
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-03-10 |
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I wonder if there is a dumb phone with tethering currently. Cause if you don't mind carrying 2 devices, that may be viable for your use case |
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HalfSalesman
lemmy.world
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Fuck, I don't have the money to replace my phone. I probably wont by September either. Too many expenses. |
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ExLisper
lemmy.curiana.net
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netJoined: 2025-03-22 |
It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, mili...
Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. |
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DoPeopleLookHere
sh.itjust.works
DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-02-12 |
GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms. There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these.
I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail. |
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fishy
lemmy.today
fishy@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-01-28 |
You can still use a dump phone. You can play and browse Wikipedia on a Steam Deck which has WiFi. If you are outsid, you can use a Mifi device of a USB LTE/5G dongle for the SteamDeck.
Steam decks are expensive and relatively bulky when compared to a phone. I don't think it's really a practical solution for most of us. |
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fishy
lemmy.today
fishy@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-01-28 |
As far as I know, it is still reliant on the whims of Google through shenanigans with AOSP, and of course having to use a Pixel. Linux offers a more solid and independent foundation, and while it is less polished yet, to me it's the only real way out in the long run. Still, GrapheneOS is a big step in the right direction - hope it wouldn't come across as me being against the project.
Yup, if enough people switch to graphene big G will fuck them over. Exiting entirely is the only long term solution. |
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Riverside
reddthat.com
Riverside@reddthat.com Joined: 2026-01-20 |
The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work.
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Riverside
reddthat.com
Riverside@reddthat.com Joined: 2026-01-20 |
American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it.
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
Feels a lot more interesting to just pick up a feature phone, and use it as a hotspot modem for a laptop.
which can do this? its my dream thing. I think I may have seen it but they were priced kinda redic. |
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Modern_medicine_isnt
lemmy.world
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-26 |
On the one hand, google is obviously evil, and it's intentions here are undoubtedly evil as well. On the other, I do think some kind of verification of developers should exist. Just not in google hands. But who. There really isn't anyway to create an organization that could be trusted to do this. |
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