The built in "app stores" that come on Linux distros are also complete jokes, the ones I've tried to use anyways.

Not a fan of KDE Discover. Bazaar looks promising.

Snap store can get the hell outta here.

Wait, windows ships with Dolphin these days?

Who needs app stores anyway

Software is files, idgaf where they come from

🤷‍♂️ OP’s bait isn’t perfect. But apparently you can download Dolphin for Windows

Truth. Fortunately updating and installing via command line is so easy and quick that I rarely feel the need to use Discover.

Discover is ok... If you limit it to only managing Flatpaks.

I'm not sure I'd ever trust a GUI to manage pacman/apt/dnf

The Internet is my app store.

CachyOS now doesn’t even ship with Discover and if you install it there’s a banner warning you not to use it to update base packages as it can mess stuff up.

If I had know this before...

Back in the KDE 4 days, you used to be able to run the whole DE on Windows.

Amazing!

Well, I learned something new today :)

CachyOS now ships with and recommends Shelly, and just from trying to use it I get the feeling it's fundamentally flawed (both in the front-end and back-end), but I don't know enough about package management to know for certain.

I actually like both Bazaar and discover. I enjoy using them to just browse for interesting apps. For linux to ever become adoptable for more people, good GUIs are absolute must haves. If you don't like them that is of course fine, but it serves the greater good to have the option of using them.

Haven't used Windows in a hot minute, do you actually have to install WLAN drivers manually there?

updates, sure. let discover or gnome software do 'em.

my debian won't break the system.

to install, though? i'd rather see exactly what's going on. i don't always want to bring in every tom, dick and recommend. i use aptitude.

You don't compile everything from code yourself? Amateur. /s

Nice troll XD

Not in 11 that i've seen but drivers used to be ridiculous on windows. The funny thing is it was even worse on linux for a hot minute. I remember borking my nic multiple times on slackware 3 and having to hoof it to my friend's house to download a driver way back in olden times. I learned a fuckload about linux and networking during those years breaking things.

I'm gonna be honest, 99% of what I need to do, I do through Discover. Like, why would I bother typing a command out when the update button is right there.

Oh wild. I still just hit Cachy Update, because I don’t like Octopi, but I should try that out.

Tho I was considering giving NixOS a try

No, the windows updater usually grabs them just fine.

But if you do a clean install using the image from microsoft, then it's very likely it won't have a working wifi driver until you run updates. Which you know... it needs the internet to do.

Valid or not, we have three options: 1) Put up with the current situation. 2) Fix the problem. 3) Pay someone else to fix the problem.

I feel like he's gonna get banned for posting this on that subreddit lmao

most network and wifi chips made before the spin of windows are supported by built-in drivers.

and it is a slog to start up. op ain't lying there. but if its files remain in windows' cache after that, it's fast.

There are some cheap wifi cards that have sketchy drivers that aren't automatically installed, and my gigabyte motherboard only came with drivers for Windows 11 for its on-board WiFi, so while windows usually gets the drivers fine there are not-even-that-obscure situations where it just absolutely does not.

Synaptic is decent, but it doesn't exactly feel like an "App Store".

Had the issue, so yes.

The easiest way to solve it was to not dual-boot. :-)

not the case for most new hardware, especially laptops. Sure you get a cheap laptop and its probably gonna be fine but an enterprise laptop with the latest and greatest.... totally a coin flip

I have had to deal with it on so many models in recent years its not even funny. (IT system admin who never uses the default install of Windows)

When I tried to migrate to W11 a number of years ago, the wireless drivers weren't installed automatically (plus major issues with my GPU and lots of other quirks). They've probably gotten better since then, but I wouldn't know (after about three hours of trying to get basic things working, I tried loading Mint on a thumbdrive and everything worked out of the box, including things like function keys and adjustable keyboard backlighting--I never went back).

Isn’t this more of a “to cheap to make the device fall back to a low performance emulating-generic” type of issue?

The second issue was too blatant, I knew I was getting the old 4chan bait and switch

You can. I wouldn't. I saw no clear advantages and had stability issues and couldn't get it to play nice with a gdrive I needed for work

The most obvious bait to be was 1 hour install time. Windows 11 took 2 hours to install, CachyOS took like 5 minutes. I imagine Arch is similar, there is simply no way. Lol

i remember windows not having drivers for wireless and wired networking and requiring an internet connection to install.

had to find a usb ethernet adapter to install. absolute insanity…

Yeah that's my only real complaint about Linux. I miss the ease of just downloading an exe and double clicking it

The biggest fucking lie

it’s all systemD fault!

Useful if you have to use SolidWorks/PDM or another broken file explorer integration.

Updating. Do not turn of computer.

100% complete

Also: "Update and shut down"

I recently figured out that Windows installs can go way faster if you have a slightly better USB stick. I bought an Intenso High Speed Line 64 GB for 10.90€ and it cut down the time by half or even two thirds I would say.

Of course I try to avoid installing Windows in the first place, but I'm not just working on my own machines.

Arch install time is mostly user dependent Id say

Windows 11 took me 7 hours over 3 different days. Had to start and stop multiple times, had to retry multiple times, had to post support requests and wait, and to dive into bios because default settings that worked fine with Linux were making windows kill itself.

Oh yeah, my first try was downloading a Windows ISO and using KDE writer to put it on a USB, BIG mistake because we all know that windows sabotages their ISOs so that you can only burn them with a windows burner program.

Even when it finally worked, it still took a goddamn 2 hours and so many ads, so many "please also buy this!"

Once it was done I had setup windows with steam for my step son and then he didn't use the machine anyway

I was wondering about Shelly when I was reading the release notes for Cachy. What do you feel is flawed?

That was exactly where I was like, “huh”? Cause Cachy took hardly any time to install and windows is notoriously slow.

I remember installing Arch on an ancient MacBook I've got. Set the installer going then put it to one side knowing it was going to take a while.

It took about 7 minutes.

Of course, I then spent two hours trying to get the fucking Broadcom drivers to work, but that's by the by.

Did you say "update and shutdown while also rebooting?"

Coming back to my PC and it being on when I expect it off, along with the notification that I hadn't used notifications in a while, is what pushed me over the edge to running linux for everything.