Your last benchmarks were made in 2015 or something?

required to share your personal data with our main office in Russia and our external counsel in the USA

Which most probably means that if you report a bug, you send them data about your installation and whatever additional data you include, like the email to contact you.

Lawyers keep stepping on this rake time and again when writing terms and policies.

Ah, I assumed you were comparing it to MS Office as the gold standard, and chose the tabbed mode to make it closest to that, though I don't personally use it that way myself.

LibreOffice has a simpler mode, though not quite as bare-bones as your Apple example. It's how I how use it personally:

There's also a Sidebar mode, which can collapse out of the way when not in use, or be brought back by pressing a small button on the side of the program.

I agree it could stand to offer a mode with much more spacing and just the essential options, but I think for the most part, the simpler toolbar mode which I use is pretty adequate, and doesn't feel overwhelming to use.

Alternatively, Libreoffice is quite customizable, so a user can remove every option from the toolbar they never use, and make it appear nicer and less cramped.

assumed you were comparing it to MS Office

I'm not the guy to whom you originally replied, so I'm just chiming in with my observations. I would never pose MS' design as anything to aspire to, because MS only recently learned about the principles of grouping, which is very basic design stuff. Their design philosophy for ages consisted of crammed toolbars, crammed lists, and crammed tables.

Unfortunately, LibreOffice isn't better in this regard, and won't be until they work on the UI toolkit to allow a different approach (like e.g. Firefox does allow). Apple's UI is good not because it's ‘bare-bones’, but because it organises elements visually instead of piling them all into a giant toolbar for the user to wade through. Other Mac apps are the same way, usually including third-party ones because they follow Apple's guidelines. Btw, iirc the toolbars are typically customizable.

Ah, so you are! My mistake :p

until they work on the UI toolkit to allow a different approach (like e.g. Firefox does allow)

Like how Firefox lets you drag and drop icons and spacers around? That would be cool to have in Libreoffice.

Apple’s UI is good not because it’s ‘bare-bones’, but because it organises elements visually instead of piling them all into a giant toolbar for the user to wade through.

Could definitely see that as a big improvement, even as someone quite used to the Windows 95 way of doing things (or at least, I prefer the old way to the ribbon), hopefully someone who has a similar itch to us as well as the capabilities to implement it does so someday :)

What is only office then?

Its only office.

Like how Firefox lets you drag and drop icons and spacers around?

Yeah, the spacers are the key thing here, because humans perceive spaced-out things to be topically distinct. Meanwhile Windows always offered separator bars to divide groups of buttons in the toolbars, which of course added visual noise. Idk what toolkit LO uses, but from what I've seen Java UIs typically follow Windows' conventions.

If wget2 is so good, why is there no wget3?

Wget with AI that hallucinates HTML to reduce bandwidth.

Thank you

firefox? no profit incentive? we wish

Maybe some day I can read that without adding an R

Ladybird is also making weird moves around AI and I feel obligated to mention fascism

And the Blender foundation gets yearly donations from tech giants like Epic, NVidia, Unity, Google and even car makers like BMW and Volkswagen. Even Adobe, their competitor, sponsors them.

It’s still a not-for-profit same with Mozilla. Doesn’t matter who funds them or how much they get in funding.

Man, you left out Obsidian, it is a godsend for studying and notetaking.

Get an ultra-wide monitor, split it into four panes, one pane to import the pdf you want to read, another for note-taking, and spare another one for the AI for Markdown formatting and explaining texts (optional). I can't think of a more efficient workflow for studying digitally.

I tought Obsidian was closed source

I’ve been considering obsidian but my uni gives me Microsoft office for “free” so idk

Ladybird is not becoming vibe-coded, the AI generated code is being tested and refactored all the time, it's not straight up slop like what most junior devs do now.

iirc, some plugins on obsidian are oss, obsidian and core plugins are closed, I remember trying to use joplin or other software because obsidian isnt foss

Freecad is my first cad experience, so I have no idea what I'm missing out on. That said, try the 1.1rc3 there's a lot of changes between 1 and 1.1

Check other comments through the thread

Ive found it useful to search for a freecad tutorial for any object on YouTube and follow it, making an actual thing. Even if that thing is not of use to me, I learn from building it and use those concepts in what I want to build.

Oops, I didn't even notice.

OnlyOffice was an office suite developed by Sun Microsystems. Oracle stopped development whel they bought Sun. eventually the developers got fed up and founded the Open Document Foundation. oracle threw kind of a hissy fit, then eventually gave up and donated Open Office to the Apache foundation. Apache alleges Open Office is an active project, but they're just shuffling deck chairs. Open Office is dead, and Oracle killed it. Libre Office is what Open Office used to be, and more

edit: what the fuck is only office?

who are the fascists and white supremacists?

Because I can understand “Open” while “Libre” sounds strange. — most people, probably

I csme in here to see if anyone cared for FreeCAD and yup, here I see you. Love it. And it's better than many proprietary softwares I have tried (edited to remove the names), I mean in terms of hobby creation at least. I am trying so as to master it and create professional level CAD drawings. It's light weight, so beautifully intutive and that it runs smoothly on one of my ancient PCs with 2GB RAM, intel Pentium processor running Windows 7. It's truly awesome. So many add ons, leaves one spoilt for choices.

Also LibreCAD for 2D.

Your complaint is that they offer optional plugins, downloadable via their launcher that is specifically designed to make installing plugins more convenient?

Only Office is an open source free suite that is developed by Ascension System SIA. It is open source but has a paid option for corporate support. It offers cloud storage servers or local server storage.

When I retired, I wanted to ditch LibreOffice because I just don't need a full office suite anymore. So I tried Only Office for a bit. It's kind of like the office suite we have at home. It's fine for most people. But I always had issues with it dying on me under Fedora and Mint.

After a while, I realized I didn't even need that much office anymore. So I'm back to where it all began on Linux-- AbiWord and Gnumeric. That's all I need anymore. It's refreshing how a mere 125Gigs of storage on a cheap mini desktop can show what you really only need.

Jesus those images must be 15-20 years old. I guess that's probably still good enough for the basics but there's been a lot of changes since then.

A Firefox fork has a better shot than those 2

Yes.

For example, LibreWolf skipped the AI forced-down-the-throat drama.

I think maybe LibreWolf only ships with Debian, by default; but it is also in the repositories for Mint, and so I assume also Ubuntu.

My complaint is that that MuseHub is being pushed as the main way to download Audacity. Right now, it's a relatively small push, but I vaguely recall that (so I might be misremembering), a few months ago, the Audacity installer would try to sneak a install of MuseHub

I love that OpenTTD made the list

The reason Microsoft sponsors it to universities is to get you used to their systems. Free yourself early, or you will start a long life of digital sunken cost that will make the change even more difficult.

It's so ugly and unintuitive in the beginning, but when it clicks and you finally get it, it is pretty awesome (and surprisingly lightweight)

I’ll have to transfer all my docs one day

I stand by blender being the absolute best piece of software I have ever used.

Obsidian is just a one note replacement. Use libre office or only office to get away from MS. No transfer needed.

there are none but that doesnt mean firefox is good dont settle because everything else is worse

Is FreeCAD good for 3D printing stuff? I started learning fusion but I'm kinda digusted by being tied to autodesk

Why is Firefox there?

so you live in an insane asylum? Powerful, but the least intuitive UI ever.

As someone who recently started getting into digital art, I'm genuinely shocked at how good Krita is.

This is a raster graphics editor that could could potentially rival the likes of Photoshop, Affinity Photo and Paint Shop Pro in terms of features. GIMP by comparison is dogshit.

I use Firefox because Google killed Manifest v2 support and (with it) uBlock Origin. Unfortunately they seem to be heading towards the AI slop route.

Yes, Edge and Brave exist but one is maintained by Microslop and will likely also follow in Google's footsteps, and the other I don't particularly trust because they have a homophobe as CEO and did some crypto token shit with their ad system.

A bunch of y’all would have been ragging on Blender 10 years ago. Ragging on Krita. In 2012 acting like gaming in Linux was doomed. In 2015 acting like Kdenlive would never reduce crashes and improve functionality. Acted like Darktable would never be competitive with Lightroom. Godot would be no good for anything more than 2d sidescrollers and never compete with Unity 5. A bunch of do nothing fence sitters. Firefox and GIMP developers contribute more to the good of humanity than anyone crying about them in this thread

The last time I used Linux as a desktop OS was around 2008. Back then the state of FOSS was absolutely dire.

I used to have a shitty Packard Bell PC at home which was weirdly partitioned, 20GB dedicated to the C:\ partition and 100GB dedicated to D:. An asshole "friend" at school goaded me into pirating Norton PartitionMagic and using it to merge the two partitions and pretty much totalled my Windows installation. As I didn't have a backup CD I had to use Ubuntu for a few months.

The only game I genuinely got working on Linux was World of Warcraft and even installing that was a pain. WC3 was supposedly "Platinum" on Wine's AppDB but would often freeze and didn't support using the mouse to move the camera. Some versions also couldn't connect online.

Fastfoward to today and gaming on Linux has evolved by leaps and bounds, in large part thanks to Valve. The only games you genuinely can't get running are those with kernel level anticheat software.

Non-profits seem to work better when they produce a product. But when they produce nothing and just have a goal, they don’t want to close shop after achieving that goal. Like MADD. The woman who founded it left a quarter of century ago because she accomplished what she set out to do. Those running it today don’t want to lose their meal ticket.

Yeah, they don't let you self host the server for syncing either. They wanted like 8$ a month for their service last time I checked. It's really nice software and you can use other apps for syncing but that aspect is annoying.

For what it's worth I like obsidian a lot more than OneNote.