The current one? Roughly around 1919 with the British support of an Israeli state.

I’ve never said that the people resisting their genocide were wrong to do it. You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying.

No, I'm really not. You're all over this thread repeating hasbara lies about Hamas and misrepresenting the history of "Israel" in comparison to the history of the Holocaust (you correctly include the Warsaw Ghetto in the Holocaust but appear to think the Nakba isn't relevant).

You might actually have convinced yourself that this is principled and nuanced anti-zionism, but it's not. You are being a zionist and I urge you to reconsider your positions on this.

I don’t disagree with you, that’s why I tried to explain the nuance, but apparently I failed, I’m sorry about that.

You didn't fail to explain what you mean, I understood that. Where you failed is that you are, knowingly or unknowingly, manufacturing nuance that does not exist.

Lemmy.ml, Hexbear.net, and Lemmygrad.ml are all extremely anti-Zionist. Further, dbzer0 defederated from Lemmygrad.ml, and is only federated with Lemmy.ml and Hexbear.net. What are you trying to say?

Look at the response in context of Feddit. Its not a critique of you, per se, its a critique of the German law/ idealogical approach. Lets suggest, in your words, a full "national socialist" genocide is at least possible in this day and age. The world did no know the full extent of Germany's action until well into the process.

If we rely on the logic of the German approach, we wouldn't be able to call the thing a thing until its too late. The point being made is that if you wait long enough to be able to a full historical analysis, you've effectively become an apologist for genocide on the basis of a lack of evidence.

And I would argue that Israels actions over the previous 80 years are extremely comparable to what the National Socialists did in Germany, and in some ways, even more disgusting. Germany ran concentration camps for around 12 years. Israel has been running them for almost 80. Germany treated it as a war of extermination. Israel is running it as a war of extermination. What other than a death camp would you call Israelli detention facilities?

The only difference is that we have the opportunity to stop Israel in its tracks, now, as its becomes clear the Israelies are not going to stop until the entire Palestinian population is eliminated. Disallowing or diminishing comparisons between the most famous historical genocide and the ongoing Israeli genocide in Palestine supports genocide

If it's upsetting to someone they're either a Zionist or a fascist. This thread has brought a lot of those horrible people out of the woodwork. It's good we can easily see them for who they are now.

That's a fair answer. And when was Hamas founded? By comparing those two dates, you can see that it's actually the same as Jews fighting back against the Holocaust.

The thing is called a thing and should be called a thing. I.e. genocide. All genocide needs to be stopped at almost any cost. I don't have any capacity to argue further, so many people are saying things.

I’m completely aware that this originally started with the zionist invasion of palestine in the early 20th century.

From your other comment next to this one...

“The Jews never fought back” is not what I said. Again, you intentionally try to misinterpret what I said. I was specifically talking about the time before the Holocaust even started, there was no reason for Germans to fear Jewish people, as they were just normal people.

Do you not see how you're not being consistent?

True! discuss.tchncs.de is also pretty nice. We have a few more communities that feddit has defederated (for good reason, though, not everyone wants pr0n in their main feed :D).

The thing is called a thing and should be called a thing.

Ok. Well thats not what you are doing and its not what German law or Feddit is doing. People are trying to call a thing a thing, and are getting push back saying "You can't call this thing that thing".

You are doing the thing people are accusing you of; you are apologizing for genocide, not resisting it.

I thought this was meant as a compliment until I saw "@feddit.org", lmao.

I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that. You do not truly know anymore who started, the only thing I personally know is that the same way that a genocide against Palestinians needs to be stopped, so does a call for genocide against Israelis. Of course, due to other countries (including Germany) support of Israel, Palestine needs special protection and the immediate ceasing of all support to Israel.

What you do not see is that we don't truly disagree, I'm just trying to explain one of the multi-faceted thought patterns that go on in some people's brains. Multiple different concepts can co-exist at the same time, and do not necessarily contradict each other, like saying that the genocide in gaza needs to be stopped immediately and the genocide in Gaza and in the Holocaust not being the literal same.

You again ignore that the "thing" I talk about is a "genocide", which is what is happening, and it is one of the worst things humans can do to each other and needs to be stopped at all costs.

You insist on not trying to understand, I'm done.

I don't think you have bad intent here, but I think Riverside didn't like the implication that "deep political discussions" are necessary to understand that "Israel/Palestine" is in fact "the colonial genocide of Palestinians by Israel". I think that's fair. It's OK to not want to discuss politics online, but you don't need "deep discussions" to know that colonialism is always wrong.

Why do you tankies always lie

Amazing, I never thought I would see the day Deceptichum was called a tankie, lmao.

The comment you linked to is written by a "tankie", by the way.

Seems more like you want people to be furious.

I'm just making the observation that a lot of feddit users went into the thread and were pissed off about it happening, plus the fact that I got harassed persistently throughout the course of the vote. Those aren't things that happen when people aren't pissed.

No, this one is just a self-serving fabrication by a few nazi-supporting governments.

The internet is awesome. You can discuss genocides with someone who named himself after an dictator who did several genocides! Who has a picture of this dictactor in his profile! And this guy is attacking others for "defense of genocide"! Great invention this internet thingy!

You insist on not trying to understand

No, its that you continue to insist that your "nuance" isn't apoligism.

I’m done.

This isn't a train station. No need to announce your departure. Everyone here can read your words and judge you for themselves, and they are, and they see you apologizing for genocide. You should take the time of your departure to mediate on why that might be.

I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that.

Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of "Israel".

What you do not see is that we don’t truly disagree

We do disagree. Your entire view of the so-called "conflict" is based on zionist lies, which is why you can never meaningfully oppose it no matter how much you think you do.

we were asked by a user who wanted a defederation vote.

source

One user and you are very active promoting the defederation.

Obviously what is happening in Gaza is terrible and Israel needs to be condemned, but what they’re doing is still not on the same level of evil as Nazi Germany.

As someone with a relative who died in a Nazi death camp, I resoundingly disagree. The scale may be relatively smaller, given that they're attempting to steal a much smaller area of land for their Lebensraum, but the level of evil is the same.

Look into the story of Muhammed Bhar or Hind Rijab and tell me it's not. I'll tell you your soul is compromised.

This really is a great thread for finding people to block!

The internet is awesome. You can discuss genocides with someone who named himself after an dictator who did several genocides! Who has a picture of this dictactor in his profile! And this guy is attacking others for “defense of genocide”! Great invention this internet thingy!

We have found the most historically literate feddit user.

These people are bad for removing themselves from contact with fascists

I'll show them. I'm going to remove myself from contact with them.

I can’t change anything about what is happening there, it’s not in my power to do so.

Are you boycotting Israeli goods, media, and anything else that could give money to the Zionist entity? That's the bare minimum any person of conscience should do.

It’s easy to get an instance vote to agree with you if you ban and insult everybody on your instance who is not agreeing with you. That works exactly like those voter registration purges the Trump admin is doing.

Except they are not banning "everybody on [their] instance who is not agreeing with [them]", they are banning Zionazis and their symps.

Let’s have another vote in a few weeks proposing to ban all users who were against banning that “pro-zionist instance”! Democracy at work!

Sure, I don't want to share space with people who want to welcome Zionazis.

as you recognized, this is a 2 coordinate system, and the split is between left-libertarian and left-authoritarian. your confusion lets me take a guess and say you sit in the US, where the libertarian/authoritaran axis has been compressed by the 2-party system, which is like putting too many cats at once in a small box - you get infighting, at least on the left; the right has the same, but the infighting between right-authoritarians(fascists) and left-auths(tankies) takes backseat. while the libertarian part is discussing in what type of society they want to live, the authoritarian part is primarily occupied with securing power, mostly followed by internal purges.

It's pretty gross behavior.

Maybe, just maybe, if Israel wanted the world to be a safer place for Jews they would stop associating a genocide with Judaisim

You probably already know this, but Israel wants the world to be a more dangerous place for Jews to justify Israel's illegitimate existence and aggression. That's why they conducted terrorist attacks against Ethiopian Jews, to convince them that they needed to move to Israel as it's the only safe place for them... where they're then met by deep-rooted racism.

Yep, I agree.

Wasn't me who asked. I have been very strongly in favor of it though, guilty as charged. I will not shy away from that.

Again. I know people wish to scapegoat me and blame me for this (up to and including harassment). Like I said this would've happened with or without me.

Look up what the term 'order of magnitude' means and please absorb the -fact- that you are wrong in this statement. The genocide in Palestine is literally the same order of magnitude as the holocaust.

Then look up the term 'lampshading' and refer back to your original comment at the beginning of this thread.

Crying preemptively about how people are going to call you a nazi doesn't make you any less of a nazi.

Okay, i believe you, but why are you promoting the defederation and then come to feddit.org to watch what happens there?

You could always open feddit.org in a private window to check on them if you wanted. I checked recently and they seemed pretty unaware of it even happening.

Edit: typo

Look they're self reporting right here!

Nobody would ever accuse you people of defending Jews so it can't be that you are Zionists. Its about the simping for authoritarian regimes.

For example the genocide on the don cossacks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Cossackization

and of course the whole Red Terror which killed several millions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

Communists absolutely defend Jewish peoples, Zionism is anti-semitic, especially anti-Yiddish. We also don't "simp for authoritarian regimes," we support socialist systems where the working classes hold the authority in society, rather than capitalists. None of this is "simping," I support worker-run structures because it's more equitable and democratic.

Are you really denying that Lenin killed several millions of people?

What if instead of republicans day dreaming about what a vote would look like without women's suffrage

We imagine what democracy would look like if we didn't allow fascists to vote

"These two are the same thing"

I don't wear glasses, actually.