Isnt this just virtue signalling? I mean, there are a lot of things that are really really bad and some things are so subjective.

I hope rape is objectively bad, but this is just like saying "what if we could bring up kids in a way that they think war is bad".

Wow wador! What a quote!

I mean you can see all the hate people have for being brought up hating queer people. What if we swapped and rapists were hated by the church instead.

“Virtue signalling”? Kinda telling using such language. I understand misogyny is a tough concept to grasp for many men, who often deny it exists and how pervasive it is - so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

But no, this is saying that how we socialise topics is important. And that society at large enables men to get away with such behaviour and by extent promotes it as acceptable.

This individual thinks a passage from a book about how common rape is must be virtue signalling because people already know about rape culture and is rudely farting this useless, nasty sentiment out loud

“Virtue signalling”? Kinda telling using such language.

My husband saw this quote and his immediate response was “No. Cannibalism has no personal place in our minds. Young men need to be socialized in such a way that rape is as obscene as castration.”

What do you mean you "hope" rape is objectively bad? Can you expand on that? I find that phrasing to be... Weird

I think this is out of touch.

Literally every young man you go ask will confidently affirm "of course rape is bad"

The issue is they don't know what counts as rape.

"What if theyre really into you but also really drunk, but asks you to have set with them?"

"What about if theyre seventeen and you are nineteen but you are their coach?"

"What if you are both super high?"

"What if she says no at first but after you are persistent for an hour and she gives up and lets you have sex with her"

"What if you are both adults but you are her manager at work?"

Theres a lot of scenarios that are, indeed, rape, but a lot of young men would be shocked to learn that count.

What a terrible analogy. Cannibalism can be, arguably, justified. Starving people will do things to survive. I don't really care what happens to my body after I die and don't hold dead bodies to be especially sacred. I can consent to being eaten after I die.

There's no argument, no circumstances, no valid logic that can say rape is ok.

I mean that I hope everyone understand that it's bad. Like an absolute bad thing.

I don't know how else to explain my point. It's like having a bumper sticker with the text "fuck cancer".

I see your point and I am tempted to refute it but I don't have any way to do so without giving you the sensation I'm an horrible person

I think you used appropriate language and they're just being rather silly.

I really hate how society deals with rape. It's like 1\3 of the time it's mentioned it's part of a joke.

Look man..... This ain't a fair comparison. How's a guy to eat the rich when you compare it to rape so casually!?

Except not really cause men love to argue about semantics and technicallities. So the metaphor should be man proof as well as accurate.

Virtue signaling is absolutely a thing. It just happens to be used incorrectly as a term by those who do it most often. Thus is often devalued as a concept.

I think some of your examples are poor. Managers and co-workers can hook up if they are consenting. Yes the manager has power over them, but especially in a big company that power isn't majorly significant. Its also possible the underling is sleeping with the manager consentually for their own benefit and gain. Power dynamics can be bad but are not inherently rape.

Now that manager starts using raises, prefered shifts or whatever else to gain sex, thats a different story.

For inedbriation like if we are both super high, first time is questionable, but sexual partners that have been together for years and get high every day? Probably okay in most scenarios.

Hungry and horny, eh?

I never thought about it that way. There's nothing physically stopping cannibalism, so it's horrifying to us due to almost ubiquitous social pressure.

So clearly we have the capability to make these changes and society just doesn't see it as important. Maybe that should give me hope but honestly this just makes me more disgusted.

Well sadly many societies still engage in forced castration or genital mutilation

Bestiality is another good option imo.

Well we kill and eat animals so by that logic... I don't think you'd want to go there.

I think you're ignoring the aspects of rape culture and assuming the issue is only ignorance.

I'm starving for some sex

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I never said all of my examples were rape, merely that young men would struggle and argue over which is which, because of a lack of education.

Many young and even grown men will even argue zero of the examples are rape (definitely incorrect)

Which is imo the real issue. This should be pretty decidedly taught in schools so both men and women grow up knowing what rape even is.

As a man, with many male friends, and having grown up deeply entrenched in aforementioned culture.

Id put it at genuinely around 90% outright ignorance.

Schools just literally do not teach this, parents dont teach it, for a lot of men they never actually get any education on the manner.

Period.

So the only education they get is internet influencer propaganda of the Andrew Tate garbage variety and that is basically all they have to work with.

So lets not pretend its terribly surprising when young men grow up in those conditions and go on to become awful individuals, what exactly did we expect to happen?

The way you phrased your comment didn't make that clear. It reads as if you are listing scenarios that count as rape, not factors that should be considered.

There isn't exactly a physical/psychological base drive to eat other people though. People desire sex. They do not generally desire eating someone, and are generally well fed. If you took a sample of everyone who has ever been starving to death, I think you would find a much higher preponderance of cannibalism.

Not disagreeing necessarily, just pointing out that there is a slightly different reason for the two things happening.

I never understood why human and social interactions isn't an obligatory course on schools all over the world. Not just how yo treat women, but how to treat anyone, doesn't matter their gender, skin color, etc..

Beastiality is a subset of rape IMO, at least I'd see nothing wrong with it if animals could consent

One time in a "religion" course, which was more abstract than usual, we had those ethics lessons. It wasn't about typical Christian religion or anything like that, just about ethics. I think that would make a nice course by itself. It was a derivation about just doing "decent" human stuff.

I’m not sure that’s an argument you want to make.

I suspect this is not consistent across jurisdictions or fields.

Pretty sure I've seen the 'both parties super high on the regular -> still rape' in several trainings, for eg.

You don't feel an urge to just take a little nibble?

I took Anthropology of Religion 101 in community college and it would be my pick for "things that should be taught in high school that aren't even remotely mentioned". It covered ethics from a social angle that is very relatable. Runner up would be basic household accounting.

How about we feed the rich to literal pigs? A nice cruel irony to enjoy.

If both parties being high is an exclusive factor for rape then nearly every couple I know is raping each other weekly. It does depend on the context and relationship but as i said in my original comment, an established stoner couple is usually able to consent while stoned. Its not the same as getting someone stoned for the first time and taking advantage of them.

For example I'm fine having sex while I'm stoned, however i wouldn't consent to it while high on physchedlics. My partners consent and condition would of course ve important there as well. If i learned being stoned was akin to being blackout for them, i wouldn't feel comfortable or confident in their consent.

Its probably taught so that when in doubt you just don't do it.

Oh great, now they're going to start eating women, too.

That would be part of learning Critical Thinking Skills, which conservatives oppose, because they feel it teaches children to resist authority, which it does.

I think it should be a normal part of everyone's upbringing at home, and if there's something like that at school, it would only be in addition to that.

Absolutely agreed. I’m certain that the 16 year old guy who coerced me into doing things when I was 14 wouldn’t consider himself a sexual abuser. Doesn’t matter how many times I said “no,” doesn’t matter how he used emotional manipulation (“if you loved me you’d do it”) and comparisons to his ex (“she never had a problem with it”) when I had zero interest. I wasn’t ready. I told him I wasn’t. He didn’t care, he just wanted his dick wet. It was normal in his eyes, and he was ready to weaponize my “prudishness” against me because he had more social clout.

Fuck rape culture. I wish he’d been taught right from wrong. I was terrified to tell anyone about what happened, expecting more shame on me for what happened. I only started talking about it years later, as an adult.

I think that cannibalism is acceptable in extreme circumstances.

That other shit though can fuck all the way off.

Gonna get really confusing re-checking if a dude means he ate her out or ate her out.

Start?

But that might make you less of an exploiter. Maybe even a communist. You don't want that, do you?

Turns out compromising with the 'make things worse' ideology makes them worse.

If the files told anything, it's that eating human flesh is one of the gazillionaire's delicacies.