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GemAlarm
lemmy.world
GemAlarm@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-04-15 |
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/49778353
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naught101
lemmy.world
naught101@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-05-08 |
Damn, that's pretty wild |
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gon [he]
lemmy.dbzer0.com
gon@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-06-04 |
Hilarious. Well, I never used Tesseract, but now I'll make sure never to recommend it |
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hendu
lemmy.dbzer0.com
hendu@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-08-04 |
This tells me the project cannot be trusted at all. The dev is clearly willing to ship undisclosed block lists... What's next, a crypto miner? Credential harvesting? Who knows. |
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bamboo
lemmy.blahaj.zone
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2023-06-20 |
I took a look at it earlier today and the addition of instances to be blocked was super shady and sloppy on part of the maintainer. Some high profile instances were added to the blocklist alongside unrelated changes and not mentioned in the git commit message, for example this commit: https://github.com/asimons04/tesseract/commit/fcd71e01e9f64d5ff40dbee9b815971bc00e9a2a Also apparently the error you'd get when going to the blocked instance was a generic error which makes the user think there's a network issue or incompatibility with the API or something and the idea of a hard coded blocklist is never presented to the user as the source of the issue. |
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hoshikarakitaridia
lemmy.world
hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-31 |
This tells me the project cannot be trusted at all. The dev is clearly willing to ship undisclosed block lists... What's next, a crypto miner? Credential harvesting? Who knows.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I wonder what his track record on open source is. |
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Why is Lemmy so Racist?
lemmy.world
Abyssian@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-13 |
I do sort of appreciate the irony on this one, but in general fuck this dev. |
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mmmm
sopuli.xyz
mmmm@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2025-04-07 |
fwiw I'd recommend photon, it's fantastic and the dev seems to work really hard on it. Hope they aren't doing something shady either! |
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Pogogunner
sopuli.xyz
Pogogunner@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2024-01-02 |
This is very upsetting. I could see an argument if it was made a user toggle for a "more friendly experience" or something like that (Like the enable toxic mode toggle), but hiding the blacklist and then an opaque error message is cowardly. Having it be pulled every time from another website instead of built into the software is also a very clear accountability dodge. Also reading over the file, I think it's biased, especially towards unfairly heavy moderation. Edit: Just noticed I'm on the blocklist. What he said fuck me for? |
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ikt
aussie.zone
Eyekaytee@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-17 |
This dude just looks like he's building a fediverse he wants to see? |
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ikt
aussie.zone
Eyekaytee@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-17 |
How does a forum with such few users have so much drama? |
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cavitationfetishist2
quokk.au
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au Joined: 2026-07-19 |
This tells me the project cannot be trusted at all. The dev is clearly willing to ship undisclosed block lists... What's next, a crypto miner? Credential harvesting? Who knows.
Libs love betrayal and being evil for no fucking reason. |
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cavitationfetishist2
quokk.au
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au Joined: 2026-07-19 |
I do sort of appreciate the irony on this one, but in general fuck this dev.
Never trust anything defiled by shitlib hands. |
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cavitationfetishist2
quokk.au
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au Joined: 2026-07-19 |
This is very upsetting. I could see an argument if it was made a user toggle for a "more friendly experience" or something like that (Like the enable toxic mode toggle), but hiding the blacklist and then an opaque error message is cowardly. Having it be pulled every time from another website instead of built into the software is also a very clear accountability dodge. Also reading over the file...
It's just liberalism. The whole thing is just doing liberalism. |
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Carl
anarchist.nexus
Carl@anarchist.nexus Joined: 2026-06-08 |
I took a look at it earlier today and the addition of instances to be blocked was super shady and sloppy on part of the maintainer. Some high profile instances were added to the blocklist alongside unrelated changes and not mentioned in the git commit message, for example this commit: https://github.com/asimons04/tesseract/commit/fcd71e01e9f64d5ff40dbee9b815971bc00e9a2a Also apparently the erro...
Yeah, the combination of those two issues are exactly why the hidden blocklist was noticed in the first place. The site admin for db0 noticed that their frontend was broken after they updated their Lemmy stack. But the “incompatible” version of Lemmy they had just updated to was supported. So what was causing the incompatibility? Maybe an API issue? Nope, API is fine. After some digging, they eventually realized that it was happening due to an instance block at the frontend’s level. But they didn’t have their own instance blocked in the frontend, so why was it being blocked? Turns out, it was because they were previously running an old version of Tesseract from before the blocklist was implemented. When they updated their stack (which also updated Tesseract), the new version suddenly included the hidden blocklist code. So when they tried to start their stack after updating, the new version of Tesseract quietly downloaded the hidden blocklist (which can’t be disabled) and blocked the instance it was currently running on. This effectively broke the frontend for db0, which is what led to the investigation and subsequent hidden blocklist discovery. |
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dohpaz42
lemmy.world
dohpaz42@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-01 |
This is the beauty and downside to open source. Anybody can force their political views in their software. But once discovered, it can be forked and fixed. It’s a shame that everything has become so politicized that people feel the need to shove their Give users their voices back (or at least choice in what they want to see and block). It’s the decent thing to do. Anything else makes you a certified asshole. I said what I said. |
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GregorGizeh
lemmy.zip
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip Joined: 2023-08-15 |
It's just liberalism. The whole thing is just doing liberalism.
Why do you keep repeating this throughout these comments chief? Being self important is not a political act and so far there is no indication of a political motivation, just that the dev somehow got the idea of appointing themselves secret online discourse admin. If it turns out there is some financial goal behind it i'm with you tho. |
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dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️
lemmy.world
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-20 |
The developer behind Tesseract is the same user who has displayed the habit of preemptively banning users who have never participated in or even visited his communities, particularly those that were on dubvee.org. Apparently for ideological reasons, or simply for being associated with a particular Lemmy instance. So at the risk of stirring up even more Fediverse drama by saying it, it seems like the findings above are squarely on brand. Not to come over all Graham Chapman about it or anything, but I always found that type of behavior to be very silly. Edit! I got curious and pulled down the data to have a look. If you want to do this on Windows (don't @ me about it, alright?) spoileryou can just point your browser to https://tesseract.dubvee.org/tesseract/api/system/policy and save it someplace or, if you insist on doing it from a commandline, Then to decode from base64:
And extract:
Or, you know, just open it in Explorer. The resultant file is just plain text. Anyway, guess what! I'm on the list. I'm a celebrity, ma! I ought to be on TV. |
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SoupBrick
pawb.social
SoupBrick@pawb.social Joined: 2024-04-22 |
Thanks to the GOAT who found this! |
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davidgro
lemmy.world
davidgro@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
This dude just looks like he's building a fediverse he wants to see?
Then run an instance, Beehaw style. |
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BillyClark
piefed.social
BillyClark@piefed.social Joined: 2026-01-21 |
Libs love betrayal and being evil for no fucking reason.
Is your account just for this sort of trolling? I'd hate to think you were being honest, but trolls tend to be a tiny bit subtler. |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
It looks like there is an 'enable toxic mode' setting that DOES switch off the auto-updating blocklist. The LLM that wrote this post claimed that there is no way to turn it off. from src/lib/policies/system.ts:
The original post was written using AI so it's going to have a lot of inaccuracies like that. Overall though, having gone through the code myself, the LLM is in the right ballpark. The most friendly evaluation I can give is that this does seem poorly documented, too opaque and overly prescriptive. And needlessly encrypting the payload looks very shifty. |
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Ech
lemmy.ca
ech@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-06-25 |
Lol, I made the list. Didn't this admin have a big ol' crashout and "retire" some time ago? |
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prole
lemmy.blahaj.zone
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-06-11 |
It looks like there is an 'enable toxic mode' setting that DOES switch off the auto-updating blocklist. The LLM that wrote this post claimed that there is no way to turn it off. from src/lib/policies/system.ts: export async function updateSystemFilterPolicy() { if (SBDisabled && get(userSettings).enableToxicMode) { SYSTEM_POLICY.set(BLANK_SYSTEM_FILTER_POLICY) return } // auto-update of...
Yeah it's the trans people who simply want to exist who are toxic Edit: no indication any of that post was LLM, but would love to hear why you think that. Though I suspect that's just a tactic to get people to shift their ire. |
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Xylight
lemdro.id
Xylight@lemdro.idJoined: 2023-07-22 |
fwiw I'd recommend photon, it's fantastic and the dev seems to work really hard on it. Hope they aren't doing something shady either!
it's not my job to moderate the fediverse, you won't need to worry about seeing any of this in photon |
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WesternInfidels
feddit.online
WesternInfidels@feddit.online Joined: 2026-01-29 |
So a system named after a hypothetical, hyper-dimensional solid turns out to have hidden depths, secret facets that we can't see from our universe? |
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Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)
piefed.zip
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zipJoined: 2026-02-26 |
Don't care about your ideological bent, engaging this clearly in bad faith with the fediverse should be unwelcome here. Its blatantly dishonest. That is unacceptable; this project and the people building it should have no home here. |
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call_me_xale
lemmy.zip
call_me_xale@lemmy.zip Joined: 2023-07-23 |
How does a forum with such few users have so much drama?
Right?? I expect this kind of crap on reddit, but Lemmy? Really? |
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cavitationfetishist2
quokk.au
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au Joined: 2026-07-19 |
Why do you keep repeating this throughout these comments chief? Being self important is not a political act and so far there is no indication of a political motivation, just that the dev somehow got the idea of appointing themselves secret online discourse admin. If it turns out there is some financial goal behind it i'm with you tho.
Citation needed.
I didn't say capitalism I said liberalism. |
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cavitationfetishist2
quokk.au
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au Joined: 2026-07-19 |
Is your account just for this sort of trolling? I'd hate to think you were being honest, but trolls tend to be a tiny bit subtler.
No I just have a grudge against unselfaware cryptofascists. Personal stuff. |
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VitoRobles
lemmy.today
VitoRobles@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-01-26 |
Any particular reason people aren't forking it and adding whatever elements to the shitty dev keeps locking it out? Not because the product is good or anything. But more of a big fuck you to the dev as this new version gets all of their hard work too. |
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ikt
aussie.zone
Eyekaytee@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-17 |
No I just have a grudge against unselfaware cryptofascists. Personal stuff.
is that you @Deceptichum@quokk.au ? |
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cavitationfetishist2
quokk.au
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au Joined: 2026-07-19 |
is that you @Deceptichum@quokk.au ?
Yes, I am another user on the same server. Thank you for noticing. My reasons for doing this shall remain inscrutable. |
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thisbenzingring
lemmy.today
thisbenzingring@lemmy.todayJoined: 2025-11-29 |
being self important is not a political act Citation needed. financial goal I didn't say capitalism I said liberalism.
Liberalism = Liberty so you hate liberty? |
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Otter
lemmy.ca
otter@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-05 |
How does a forum with such few users have so much drama?
I think we just notice it more because we have less content, so you're more likely to hear about each bit of drama that comes up and you're more likely to know one of the parties involved. There was lots of drama on reddit too, but I didn't subscribe to the communities that talked about it and I often didn't know enough about each incident to judge anyone It's still annoying though 🫤 |
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Otter
lemmy.ca
otter@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-05 |
it's not my job to moderate the fediverse, you won't need to worry about seeing any of this in photon
appreciate it :) |
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Otter
lemmy.ca
otter@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-05 |
fwiw I'd recommend photon, it's fantastic and the dev seems to work really hard on it. Hope they aren't doing something shady either!
There are a few solid ones there. Photon and Blorp are my personal favourites on desktop |
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jafra
slrpnk.net
jafra@slrpnk.netJoined: 2025-08-17 |
This is the beauty and downside to open source. Anybody can force their political views in their software. But once discovered, it can be forked and fixed. It’s a shame that everything has become so politicized that people feel the need to shove their religious political beliefs down everyone else’s throats. Yeah, we all know who the Bad Guys(TM) are; we don’t need to be constantly reminded. Gi...
Well this is also what the offending dev accuses some mods. I would love to join your stone throwing, but i also think there are some truths. Libs and Commies and Queers all can react overly hostile and not seldomly react disproportionate (all 3 of them, not every last queer person). |
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TheFrirish
tarte.nuage-libre.fr
TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.frJoined: 2025-11-16 |
I'll gladly take the downvotes of shame for my previous comment on another thread. Tesseract dev has gone looney |
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Zorque
lemmy.world
Zorque@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-13 |
Right?? I expect this kind of crap on reddit, but Lemmy? Really?
The thing is Lemmy is populated almost entirely by people who made a conscious choice to not be somewhere else. So the majority of them are those who hold strong beliefs and are generally anti-establishment or just contrarian by nature. Basically people most likely to argue about arbitrary bullshit a lot. Which isnt to say that all of them will, just that there 2ill be a higher incidence of it happening. |
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Zorque
lemmy.world
Zorque@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-13 |
Well this is also what the offending dev accuses some mods. I would love to join your stone throwing, but i also think there are some truths. Libs and Commies and Queers all can react overly hostile and not seldomly react disproportionate (all 3 of them, not every last queer person). Aaand i think the dev is butt hurt, but if he chooses an unreasonable way to react we can be glad to leverage FOSS.
All propaganda has some element of truth to it, thats how they trick you into thinking its wholly believable. Surface level honesty does not presuppose that same honesty at depth. |
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subignition
fedia.io
subignition@fedia.ioJoined: 2023-11-01 |
Yeah it's the trans people who simply want to exist who are toxic Edit: no indication any of that post was LLM, but would love to hear why you think that. Though I suspect that's just a tactic to get people to shift their ire.
Hi, not the person you replied to, and (edit: not*) agreeing with any of this blocklist shit, AND my ire is firmly not shifted away from Tesseract, but just wanted to break down the characteristics of the OP that suggest (to me) it was composed mostly with an LLM and fine tuned after. (Though to be clear, that's a pretty unimportant characteristic of the post considering the actual content)
Could be explained by me just not being familiar enough with the technical side, but saying stuff like "There's a second filter policy fetched over HTTP every time the app loads" without breaking it down any further seems a bit suspicious to me? It doesn't actually call out any function, file, or... i dunno, a logical starting point, for a competent reader to dig into the source themselves. Reads like it's written for either an expert who doesn't need any details, or for an audience with zero skepticism whatsoever.
Again... this wall of text isn't meant as a refutation of anything you're saying, or a reason to dismiss the contents of the OP uncritically. Seems pretty clear after reading through db0's posts about it that this is seriously fucked up. I hope I've been clear enough about that. |
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jaybone
lemmy.zip
jaybone@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-02-08 |
The developer behind Tesseract is the same user who has displayed the habit of preemptively banning users who have never participated in or even visited his communities, particularly those that were on dubvee.org. Apparently for ideological reasons, or simply for being associated with a particular Lemmy instance. So at the risk of stirring up even more Fediverse drama by saying it, it seems lik...
dubvee has insane ban policies. Like they find people to ban based on posts in coms that have nothing to do with them. It’s almost like SRS on reddit. |
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flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)
feddit.uk
flamingos@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-12 |
Why is
ml is in the instance filter? |
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Shimitar
downonthestreet.eu
Shimitar@downonthestreet.euJoined: 2025-01-28 |
And this is why I run my own instance and use Summit.... |
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jaybone
lemmy.zip
jaybone@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-02-08 |
The thing is Lemmy is populated almost entirely by people who made a conscious choice to not be somewhere else. So the majority of them are those who hold strong beliefs and are generally anti-establishment or just contrarian by nature. Basically people most likely to argue about arbitrary bullshit a lot. Which isnt to say that all of them will, just that there 2ill be a higher incidence of it ...
you’re contrarian by nature. |
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carpelbridgesyndrome
sh.itjust.works
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-27 |
Tons of political shit on that list and then midway through it just decides to ban yuri. Not porn, not furry content, and not hentai. Just yuri |
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call_me_xale
lemmy.zip
call_me_xale@lemmy.zip Joined: 2023-07-23 |
you’re contrarian by nature.
Nuh-uh! |
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call_me_xale
lemmy.zip
call_me_xale@lemmy.zip Joined: 2023-07-23 |
The thing is Lemmy is populated almost entirely by people who made a conscious choice to not be somewhere else. So the majority of them are those who hold strong beliefs and are generally anti-establishment or just contrarian by nature. Basically people most likely to argue about arbitrary bullshit a lot. Which isnt to say that all of them will, just that there 2ill be a higher incidence of it ...
Touché. |
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axus
lemmy.ca
axus@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-06-06 |
Libs love betrayal and being evil for no fucking reason.
censoring me |
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SatyrSack
quokk.au
SatyrSack@quokk.auJoined: 2025-08-25 |
This dude just looks like he's building a fediverse he wants to see?
This looks almost like a personal block list that got added to the full production codebase. To be clear: I do not think this was an accident. But I had plenty of interaction with this dev on the 30 Rock community, and they were clear about personally wanting to use Lemmy as a means of escapism and to ignore politics of all sort. They clearly want to ignore all remotely political discussions, but that shouldn't extend to a hard-coded block list in a frontend they create for other people to use. Creating the tools to allow each user to set up custom block lists for themselves is great. It just shouldn't be a preestablished list that affects literally every user of that frontend. |
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