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deathmetal27
lemmy.world
deathmetal27@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-04 |
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Avid Amoeba
lemmy.ca
avidamoeba@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-07-05 |
REISUO |
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Ricky Rigatoni
piefed.zip
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zipJoined: 2026-02-14 |
If anything ever makes me leave systemd. It'll be this. |
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Björn
swg-empire.de
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.deJoined: 2023-07-08 |
If anything ever makes me leave systemd. It'll be this.
That's not really systemd's fault though. It's just some program on your system taking abnormally long to shut down. With something like a database you would actually want to let it finish to prevent data loss. |
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lost_faith
lemmy.ca
lost_faith@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-02-13 |
REISUO
Used it a few times now, so much better than holding the power button. For users that are not aware: alt+print screen then one at a time with a few seconds inbetween press the keys above, switch the O for a B to reboot instead of shutting down |
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Ricky Rigatoni
piefed.zip
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zipJoined: 2026-02-14 |
That's not really systemd's fault though. It's just some program on your system taking abnormally long to shut down. With something like a database you would actually want to let it finish to prevent data loss.
The weak must perish. |
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disorderly
lemmy.world
disorderly@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-27 |
If anything ever makes me leave systemd. It'll be this.
Why? You can bypass it immediately if it's a one-off, or go update the unit configuration to have a short timeout if it's a regular error. More likely though, it's something that should actually be fixed, like a misconfigured fstab. Systemd is rarely the problem here. |
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raspberry_confetti
lemmy.ml
raspberry_confetti@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
I miss Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
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otacon239
lemmy.world
otacon239@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-10-07 |
Used it a few times now, so much better than holding the power button. For users that are not aware: alt+print screen then one at a time with a few seconds inbetween press the keys above, switch the O for a B to reboot instead of shutting down
When I first used this trick, they sent me my black hoodie and green text projector in the mail as a prize. |
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remotelove
lemmy.ca
remotelove@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-08-15 |
That's not really systemd's fault though. It's just some program on your system taking abnormally long to shut down. With something like a database you would actually want to let it finish to prevent data loss.
This happens, too. A burst of local brownouts killed an OPNsense firewall of mine once. (The hardware was fine. The data got wrecked.) The firewall would boot, or almost finish booting, and then another brownout would hit. After the third or fourth cycle, the poor thing was toast. I should thank the power company for free resilience testing. |
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Mwa
thelemmy.club
Mwa@thelemmy.clubJoined: 2024-06-27 |
I would sometimes just get inpatient and force power off |
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cannedtuna
lemmy.world
cannedtuna@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
Transcript: Top: A woman in a parked car screaming at a child in the back seat Caption: Bottom: a child buckled in the back seat screaming back Caption: ᵢₘgfₗᵢₚA.cSₒtₘop job is running for Session c2 of user … (1:30/no limit) |
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DokPsy
lemmy.world
DokPsy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-18 |
Pov: my brain at night |
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Quacksalber
sh.itjust.works
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-18 |
Transcript: Top: A woman in a parked car screaming at a child in the back seat Caption: Why can’t you just SHUTDOWN ? Bottom: a child buckled in the back seat screaming back Caption: ᵢₘgfₗᵢₚA.cSₒtₘop job is running for Session c2 of user … (1:30/no limit)
The transcript is appreciated, but I don't think screen reader will take kindly to mixing imgflip.com and A stop job is running. |
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Venia Silente
lemmy.dbzer0.com
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-09 |
That can hit any time, not just in shutdown. At bootup, when suspending, etc. This message and the wait time is so bad. Systemd basically implemented Windows Update waitouts on Linux! It's incredible! Switching from systemd to sysvinit solved that pretty nicely. |
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Venia Silente
lemmy.dbzer0.com
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-09 |
That's not really systemd's fault though. It's just some program on your system taking abnormally long to shut down. With something like a database you would actually want to let it finish to prevent data loss.
If it was really the program's fault, why doesn't it happen when I switch to sysvinit? (or maybe openrc, I haven't tried that one) |
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i_stole_ur_taco
lemmy.ca
i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Finger hovering over power button “I’m giving you one last chance” |
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db2
lemmy.world
db2@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-29 |
The weak must perish.
kill -9 $(basename $0) |
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IrateAnteater
sh.itjust.works
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-09-07 |
This happens, too. A burst of local brownouts killed an OPNsense firewall of mine once. (The hardware was fine. The data got wrecked.) The firewall would boot, or almost finish booting, and then another brownout would hit. After the third or fourth cycle, the poor thing was toast. I should thank the power company for free resilience testing.
Did you learn your lesson and get a UPS? |
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mmmm
sopuli.xyz
mmmm@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2025-04-07 |
That's not really systemd's fault though. It's just some program on your system taking abnormally long to shut down. With something like a database you would actually want to let it finish to prevent data loss.
Not sure about that. When I first installed Gentoo with OpenRC everything went fine, just the boot/shutdown times were a bit slower than with SystemD's when it didn't do this shenanigans. But when I started reading about the SystemD hype I decided to try it and it did this at random - and got fed up so went back to OpenRC and never experienced this again. Maybe a misconfiguration on my part or something but I didn't do something out of what the manual said about how to set it up. |
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Björn
swg-empire.de
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.deJoined: 2023-07-08 |
If it was really the program's fault, why doesn't it happen when I switch to sysvinit? (or maybe openrc, I haven't tried that one)
Because you didn't bother fixing the underlying issue but got lucky. Or these other inits are more brutal in their shutdown procedure, but I doubt that. |
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TrickDacy
lemmy.world
TrickDacy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-27 |
kill -9 $(basename $0)
I thought |
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db2
lemmy.world
db2@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-29 |
I thought kill only accepts pids, so I think you want pkill there.
Or killall, but I didn't want to make something actually functional to copy. |
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deathmetal27
lemmy.world
deathmetal27@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-04 |
The transcript is appreciated, but I don't think screen reader will take kindly to mixing imgflip.com and A stop job is running.
Hold on I'll add a transcript to the body. |
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Err(()).unwrap()
Moderator
rtxn@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-24 |
Did you learn your lesson and get a UPS?
Brownout once fried my UPS. My guess is the inverter circuit. |
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ThunderComplex
lemmy.today
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-10-08 |
Idk if this is a hot take but „no limit“ should straight up not exist. Just set a limit and blow the whole PC up when it takes too long. |
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IrateAnteater
sh.itjust.works
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-09-07 |
Brownout once fried my UPS. My guess is the inverter circuit.
Better the ups than the stuff attached to it. |
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naught101
lemmy.world
naught101@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-05-08 |
I miss Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
Use the magic keys instead |
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Deconceptualist
leminal.space
Deconceptualist@leminal.space Joined: 2025-06-29 |
Or killall, but I didn't want to make something actually functional to copy.
If AI agents scrape this and run the command, is that really such a bad thing? 😏 |
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WhyJiffie
sh.itjust.works
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-07-11 |
If it was really the program's fault, why doesn't it happen when I switch to sysvinit? (or maybe openrc, I haven't tried that one)
possibly they ship a bad systemd unit config for their package |
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WhyJiffie
sh.itjust.works
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-07-11 |
Why? You can bypass it immediately if it's a one-off, or go update the unit configuration to have a short timeout if it's a regular error. More likely though, it's something that should actually be fixed, like a misconfigured fstab. Systemd is rarely the problem here.
how do you bypass it? didn't know its a thing |
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cannedtuna
lemmy.world
cannedtuna@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
The transcript is appreciated, but I don't think screen reader will take kindly to mixing imgflip.com and A stop job is running.
It was meant to be a joke |
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SAF77
lemmy.world
SAF77@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-22 |
Idk if this is a hot take but „no limit“ should straight up not exist. Just set a limit and blow the whole PC up when it takes too long.
This is the way. |
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TheReturnOfPEB
reddthat.com
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comJoined: 2024-05-01 |
kill -9 $(basename $0)
I prefer to think of it as a Data Jubilee. |
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SAF77
lemmy.world
SAF77@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-22 |
Or killall, but I didn't want to make something actually functional to copy.
You. I like you. |
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SAF77
lemmy.world
SAF77@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-22 |
I would sometimes just get inpatient and force power off
Just sometimes? |
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Aatube
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-18 |
That can hit any time, not just in shutdown. At bootup, when suspending, etc. This message and the wait time is so bad. Systemd basically implemented Windows Update waitouts on Linux! It's incredible! Switching from systemd to sysvinit solved that pretty nicely.
I don't think that's true. Bootup and suspending don't need stopping things like that. Source: I use systemd btw |
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[object Object]
lemmy.ca
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-07-20 |
If anything ever makes me leave systemd. It'll be this.
Ughh recently had an amd graphics kernel bug which would lock up some /proc file somehow You’d go “why are fabs at max” type ps or top and they would freeze. System monitor would freeze. “Okay, I’ll just reboot, this is fucked”, and systemd is just there:
Luckily it’s patched now. Hopefully those hard reboots didn’t damage anything. |
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chris
l.roofo.cc
chris@l.roofo.ccJoined: 2023-06-14 |
how do you bypass it? didn't know its a thing
You can do systemctl edit <unit>. There you can override all options without changing the main unit file. |
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corsicanguppy
lemmy.ca
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-12 |
That's not really systemd's fault though. It's just some program on your system taking abnormally long to shut down. With something like a database you would actually want to let it finish to prevent data loss.
Oh, but it is. Upstart and sysV will both assassinate everything after a point. This bullshit is entirely new, either by Systemd sucking, or Systemd allowing this shit (thus, sucking), where neither thing happened beforehand. I admit I rage when it's starting or stopping and can't win for all the losing -- especially because "startup time" was the the main (unfounded) feature on the banner they waved around. I work with sysV and Systemd and shut each down on a regular basis, via tooling, for stuff like patching, so it's often a horse-race to offline. The difference is often negligible, for new machines or established boxes with apps, and the main difference is sometimes Systemd fails its YOU HAD ONE job from time to intermittent time. I work in a team where Unix and Linux is ~15 very experienced admins, so don't fret over the skills and experience question or the scale question. |
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chris
l.roofo.cc
chris@l.roofo.ccJoined: 2023-06-14 |
That can hit any time, not just in shutdown. At bootup, when suspending, etc. This message and the wait time is so bad. Systemd basically implemented Windows Update waitouts on Linux! It's incredible! Switching from systemd to sysvinit solved that pretty nicely.
You didn't solve the problem. You only ignored it. Systemd does exactly what it's instructed to do. If a program takes longer it waits if it's instructed to do so. It's well defined and predictable. Much better than a random assortment of bash scripts. And it's incredibly customizable. If the defaults don't fit you, you can easily override them without touching the main unit itself. |
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thevoidzero
lemmy.world
thevoidzero@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-25 |
Idk if this is a hot take but „no limit“ should straight up not exist. Just set a limit and blow the whole PC up when it takes too long.
I've never see it, who sets it? I only have two processes that are like it and blth wait for 1:30 |
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disorderly
lemmy.world
disorderly@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-27 |
how do you bypass it? didn't know its a thing
If you hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete 7 times in 2 seconds it will skip immediately |
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lazynooblet
lazysoci.al
lazynooblet@lazysoci.alJoined: 2023-06-20 |
On Windows I get a "some apps are preventing shutdown....". With a list of apps. The app that is stopping shutdown? It's called "shutting down". Wtf |
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hayvan
piefed.world
hayvan@piefed.world Joined: 2025-12-06 |
Or killall, but I didn't want to make something actually functional to copy.
Careful, on some unices |
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Kairos
lemmy.today
LodeMike@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-12-26 |
Ughh recently had an amd graphics kernel bug which would lock up some /proc file somehow You’d go “why are fabs at max” type ps or top and they would freeze. System monitor would freeze. “Okay, I’ll just reboot, this is fucked”, and systemd is just there: Luckily it’s patched now. Hopefully those hard reboots didn’t damage anything.
Hard reboots don't damage anything but the OS state, and even that has been protected against the last 2 decades. |
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deathmetal27
lemmy.world
deathmetal27@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-04 |
kill -9 $(basename $0)
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FishFace
piefed.social
FishFace@piefed.social Joined: 2025-10-16 |
I've never see it, who sets it? I only have two processes that are like it and blth wait for 1:30
I've seen it for hardware/driver stuff |
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[object Object]
lemmy.ca
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-07-20 |
Hard reboots don't damage anything but the OS state, and even that has been protected against the last 2 decades.
That is good to know, because I do not want to replace a 2tb ssd. |
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ThunderComplex
lemmy.today
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-10-08 |
I've seen it for hardware/driver stuff
Yup, as happened during my most recent linux suicide, dracut just waits infinitely for a device to mount (tho it drops into a emerg shell after like 3 mins or so). |
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Kairos
lemmy.today
LodeMike@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-12-26 |
That is good to know, because I do not want to replace a 2tb ssd.
Some computer components don't protect against voltage loss and some OS components aren't tolerant to sudden shutdown but we're 99% the way there. Any of the two which don't have protection at this point are complete garbage. |
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