Also fuck enshittification!

Yeah, if it's the same price why the hell would you not stay in a hotel instead of "pretend this random house is a hotel, but now with the added magic of no regulation"

Don't forget having to find the cameras watching you, and text messages every 38 minutes telling you to leave 5 star reviews.

By "both" keys, you mean both sets of replacements you got because you kept locking yourself out of the room, right?

A halfway decent kitchen

Family of 5. We stayed at an Airbnb in Salem, MA that was Harry Potter themed. Kids loved it. Good experience.

Generally though, hotels, please.

"Oops, left a mess (had a crumb on the counter). $350 cleaning fee."

I’ve never stayed in an Airbnb, and after everything I’ve read online, I can’t think of a compelling reason to.

Edit: my goodness, such evangelism! Perhaps I should reconsider my position

Idk my airbnb had a heat alarm fitted on the ceiling directly above the stove, so when we decided to cook we discovered that it sets off above 45°C, is not a smoke alarm, and we were already overwhelmed with stress before that cataclysmic screech. I smashed it off the ceiling (because I can't think through the noise to find the latch), told them "fuck you, hated the stay," and I never got a fine. Left the pieces of alarm where they lay.

Hotels suck ass too. We stayed in a "luxury" hilton and it was shit. It looked nice at first, but then

• Everything was falling apart.
• You got a "complimentary" water bottle (like a kirkland style) if you were a member, but it was $2.50 (maybe even $3.50 which I think I would have remembered cuz it's funny) if you weren't.
• They charged you a $60 deposit in case you use that bottle of water or something? We got that back, but it was stupid that we had to check.
• We didn't use the parking pass for 2 days and they refused to give that money back.

They're only being a little nicer right now because they're losing business. They'll go back to huge shits if they get the market share back.

That's why I always leave a tip (what others call an "upper decker").

Who are you choosing? You have to do some research and never be the first one.

AirBnb became popular when hotels inflated prices around certain events or were at capacity. Since then, AirBnb owners have jacked up prices to be more expensive than hotels, and you have to deal with the "landlord attitude." It turned from a genuine service into another cash grab scheme.

Not my first choice. But I stay in cabins a lot and all the good ones use Airbnb or Vrbo because they have to. You got big companies like KOA, but those are typically crowded.

Places like that used to have their own listings and websites before the craze, but now if they aren't listed they go unseen.

Im extra careful, but I typically find some amazing off the beaten path places. Lot of family owned and well cared for areas. Most also have some owner supplying homemade baked goods, fresh farm raised eggs, and produce pre-stocked. All completely free with a kind note.

For sure, people think they know where to put the cameras for the best show, but they really don’t. Gotta help them out with that.

Yeah its supposed to be a cheaper way to stay but I'd rather pay a little bit more for the structure, show up check in at the desk, then just leave when you're ready. If I want cheaper travel I'd rather just camp

I like hitting my vape a few times around the AirBnB.

I want them to hit me with a cleaning fee and them explain how they knew I was vaping unflavored eliquid.

There are different kinds of Airbnb's. The shitty ones are usually individuals renting out a single property.

Good ones run pretty much as distributed hotels or actual b&bs. You know they're legit if they charge you the tourist tax.

People always say this, but I've never run into any issues. Booking a cabin for the family or a week long stay through airbnb can still be the more cost effective option.

I always read the reviews and rules in depth before booking. The types of places that will pull what you describe usually are pretty apparent.

Obviously it's still fucked that I the consumer have to go through all of that when Airbnb could just make some standards, but oh well.

Personally now I avoid Airbnbs except for the two cases I mentioned. Groups and extended stays. Yes extended stay hotels do exist too, but they are hit and miss imo.

I've had good luck, but most of the time for a 1 night stay a hotel is better.

If it's multiple nights or a group that's where airbnb is more appealing. You have to put in the work to read everything the owner posts and the reviews to figure out if they are they type to engage in shenanigans. It's worked so far, but ridiculous to have to check for it

Yeah, when I’m traveling, the one thing I need to be rock solid reliable is the place that I’m staying. I can’t constantly have some anxiety about some bullshit shenanigans with that. No thank you

There's a plethora of extended stay hotels that aren't much, if any, more expensive than a regular hotel that have kitchens.

Yeah, and their "kitchens" suuuuck

And it also uses apartments that could've been regularly rented, worsening the housing crisis.

I've never done it myself, but there seem to be a couple of different reasons why it would be preferable over a standard hotel room.

1. Easier and cheaper way to get a huge living space with a kitchen for a large group of people.

2. The possibility of staying in a unique type of room that a hotel just can't provide.

That applies to houses as well lol. For all of it, it goes even deeper too. It's not just that buildings that were going to be rented are now airbnbs, but that another avenue of revenue is once again tied to hoarding livable buildings with no plans of residing in them.

They're good for big groups and certain locations.

My wife has a big online friend group that likes to get together a couple times a year in various places around the US. For 15ish people, AirBnB is cheaper than hotels and lets everyone stay together in one place with room to congregate and cook real meals. It's also easier to find cabins and stuff in remote nature areas than hotels.

We're also planning a weeklong trip to NYC, and even with rewards points AirBnB was cheaper than a hotel.

Outside those specific circumstances, if it's just us and we're only spending a night or two in a less expensive location, hotels are basically always better

If you’re a party of 4 or fewer and are only staying for a couple of nights, a hotel with breakfast included is the better choice. Chain hotels also have a minimum baseline of quality so you at least have some expectation of consistency anywhere you go. Less chances of hidden cameras too.

Unless the point of your travel is the accommodation itself, you’ll likely only be in there for less than 12 hours a day, so all you really need is a secure room with a clean bed and bathroom.

Hotel: what do you mean you want guaranteed adjoining rooms. We don't do that. You just have to roll the dice when you show up. Oh, and show up late, we will give you a room with the dumpster outside that gets emptied at 6am.

Also hotel when the room is in obvious disrepair: maintenance has gone home for the day (at the 4pm allowed checkin time), call again tomorrow to get the whining AC unit looked at. Oh and the windows don't open and we don't have fans.

Hotel: you want two toilets for your family of 3 since we can't get you adjoining rooms? Ha ha ha. No.

Hotel: resort fees for the fitness room you don't need or want. Yeah, those aren't refundable.

Hotel: you smell gas in your room. That is completely normal, I with my degree in (maybe high school) am sure it is completly safe.

Airbnb: what do you mean you did not want to be next to a methlab? That costs extra.

Airbnb: oh yeah, we overbooked and someone else will be staying there too. Nope no discount available.

Booking a cabin

To clarify - booking a cabin (presumably in the middle of the woods, no neighbours?) vs booking a hotel (also in the middle of the woods, no other guests)?

Or does cabin mean something else for you, e. g. any vacation house?

Why does the airbnb logo look like testivaries and a pegina?

Ive stayed in Airbnbs like 20 times in many cities, different states, even different countries. Literally have never had any issues like what people complain about whatsoever. My cat even scratched up an (admittedly already somewhat roughed up) couch at one, not terribly but it was damaged, and the guy didnt charge me anything at all.

The only issue I take with airbnbs is that there are so many that should be free market rentals or family housing rather than short term rentals

Woods, family vacations tended to often be in the mountains

Never been to a hotel in the middle of the woods with no other guests

Although other places could be appropriate for group travel. Like any vacation home

That's just the Hilton for you, to be honest. I stayed in one in San Diego long time back for visiting a conference in the center right next to it. Was quite expensive and for that amount of money nothing special was given. I only had free wifi because I booked under the conference offer, so normally not even that was free.

You gotta start reading hotel reviews, I've never had these problems. The last hotel I stayed at had fresh baked cookies (still warm) when we arrived at 8pm to check in.

Might be an American thing. Never had any significant problem or excessive demand on Airbnb, both as a host and a guest, in Europe.

Damn what kind of hotels have you been staying at, that's almost impressive.

Yea. They are a donkey. Hell, my last vacation from the States to Costa Rica and Panama had zero of those problems.

Outside the US is different for sure.

Enshittification strikes again!

Well, vegas, Bellagio, vdara, aria...
The gas issue was a luxury hotel in oregon. And outside of the gas issue, the place was certianly nice. Just brain dead front desk lady with no one else on sight.

Adjoining rooms. If you don't travel with kids, you don't know that pain. But 95% won't guarantee anything. Of the 5%, they are always mysterious "sold out" of that thpe of room, though they have plenty of room empty.

Never had either of those issues. And never knew anyone who actually had those issues for real. Just random internet people who claim it happened. Though I do favor vrbo over airbnb. But I doubt it's much different.

The gas one was a luxury hotel in Oregon. The place overall was nice. But very short on staff. And thenone person at the front desk was clearly brain dead.

The others... major chains here and there as well as mgm properties in vegas.

Most travelers don't travel with kids. They are usually traveling for business. So they don't have the issues of adjoining rooms, or having to put 3 or 4 people in one room. Even the "suites" often only have one toilet. That's because they cater to the solo travelers, or couples. They don't really want families.

I've literally never had an Air BnB owner ask me to do anything I don't already do. I put shit away, I leave the place like I found it. I clean up after myself, and if the trash can fills while I'm there, I empty it. Always glowing reviews, 5 stars, would have me back again.

Meanwhile I booked a hotel for a short trip back to my home state, and when I arrived, guess what? the 3rd party site I used has no affiliation with the hotel whatsoever, and the place was overbooked by like, double the amount of rooms they had. Went to a different site, found a different hotel, exact same thing happened. Also every hotel that's a reasonable price, i.e. one that is priced about the same as an Air BnB, is completely shit. Like the door to my room has obviously been kicked in before. They don't give me fucking towels unless I go and ask for them. Room is disgusting, bed is disgusting, broken TV, shitty everything.

Yeah I'm just not using hotels anymore.

If you're a low-maintenance kind of person that just wants a pull-out sofa to sleep on, a shower, and possibly a kettle+microwave to make coffee+bad food for a day or two, you can find Airbnbs at ¼ the price of a hotel.

I had to check this wasn't a shitpost community with a comment as embarrassing as this. Do you make a habit of being this confidently wrong about literally everything?

Maybe I misunderstand the parking pass thing, but I'm not sure why you would get the money back just because you didn't use it. My assumption (which may be wrong!) is that while you had that pass, capacity was allocated to you and could not be sold to someone else. Like buying a seat ticket for a show and not showing up.

That said, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that isn't quite the case. I should probably give you the benefit of the doubt.

Those are supposed to be an improvement for small spaces where smoke alarms can be too sensitive and go off all the time. Of course, they're supposed to be on the ceiling.

Can confirm, stayed mostly at hotels during a trip to Japan, no problems. Also had to stay at a hotel during a layover in San Francisco, was also fine

To be frank it was a very small space aha - kitchen was just round a corner from the living space, almost 3 walls of a square, and about 1.5 metres wide. Nowhere for the heat to go but up