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Vosh
programming.dev
Vosh@programming.dev Joined: 2026-08-13 |
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AllNewTypeFace
leminal.space
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.spaceJoined: 2023-08-20 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well? |
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Maroon
lemmy.world
Maroon@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-11-15 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
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9point6
lemmy.world
9point6@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
Yeah I think they're going for something more straightforward that describes exactly what it's about Brushes, Design, Shapes & Multimedia |
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ByteMe
lemmy.world
ByteMe@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-02-21 |
Yeah I think they're going for something more straightforward that describes exactly what it's about Brushes, Design, Shapes & Multimedia
This would really mess up search results |
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BananaOnionJuice
lemmy.dbzer0.com
BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-08-09 |
Yeah I think they're going for something more straightforward that describes exactly what it's about Brushes, Design, Shapes & Multimedia
Or else it will be a sub-module. |
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aim4harmony
lemmy.world
aim4harmony@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-27 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
GYMP? đŞâ¨đ¤ |
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Eternal192
anarchist.nexus
Eternal192@anarchist.nexusJoined: 2025-09-06 |
Yeah I think they're going for something more straightforward that describes exactly what it's about Brushes, Design, Shapes & Multimedia
That would produce so many priceless weirded out faces when you tell someone you love GIMP and use that acronym and they don't know what you are referring to. |
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lemmur420
lemmy.ml
lemmur420@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-30 |
Very interesting, thanks for the update. edit: I also love how the article credits every individual contributor for the new features they made, a very nice way to celebrate the group effort |
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schmorp
slrpnk.net
schmorpel@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-07-12 |
Yeah I think they're going for something more straightforward that describes exactly what it's about Brushes, Design, Shapes & Multimedia
To avoid confusion: BDSM, the FOSS formerly known as GIMP |
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HairyHarry
lemmy.world
HairyHarry@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-08-05 |
Yeah I think they're going for something more straightforward that describes exactly what it's about Brushes, Design, Shapes & Multimedia
Or: Graphics, Images, Media & Print |
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Hadriscus
jlai.lu
Hadriscus@jlai.lu Joined: 2025-06-10 |
Yeah I think they're going for something more straightforward that describes exactly what it's about Brushes, Design, Shapes & Multimedia
nice one |
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anon_8675309
lemmy.world
anon_8675309@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-01 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
Why? It describes succinctly what the app does. |
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thingsiplay
lemmy.ml
thingsiplay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-01-09 |
For the file format, would have been JSON instead XML not the better format? Its lighter and easier to parse and write, meaning more performant than XML. |
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dudesss
piefed.ca
dudesss@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-09-08 |
To avoid confusion: BDSM, the FOSS formerly known as GIMP
I would not feel comfortable looking this up on a work computer. |
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BucketBong
p.hobo.social
BucketBong@p.hobo.socialJoined: 2026-04-27 |
This would really mess up search results
Yeah, now I'm just gonna get screenshots of this app. |
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schnurrito
discuss.tchncs.de
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2023-06-24 |
For the file format, would have been JSON instead XML not the better format? Its lighter and easier to parse and write, meaning more performant than XML.
IMHO: XML is superior as a document storage format. JSON is superior as a data transfer format. |
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thingsiplay
lemmy.ml
thingsiplay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-01-09 |
IMHO: XML is superior as a document storage format. JSON is superior as a data transfer format.
XML is not really superior to JSON as an image editing file format. EDIT: XML is better, if you want to keep a readable source format with markup. But that is not what a format for an image editing tool like GIMP should be needed for in my opinion. |
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schnurrito
discuss.tchncs.de
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2023-06-24 |
XML is not really superior to JSON as an image editing file format. EDIT: XML is better, if you want to keep a readable source format with markup. But that is not what a format for an image editing tool like GIMP should be needed for in my opinion.
No, they are both not really suitable for that. But I don't see where the link in the OP implies they plan to store binary image data in XML, they're probably going to store that in a binary format and use XML to describe relationships and other metadata. |
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mholiv
lemmy.world
mholiv@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-28 |
XML is not really superior to JSON as an image editing file format. EDIT: XML is better, if you want to keep a readable source format with markup. But that is not what a format for an image editing tool like GIMP should be needed for in my opinion.
Iâm gunna disagree with you XML comes with validators and versioning as part of the XML spec. You can validate XML files against XSD descriptors that can be published and even referenced by the XML file. The only downside of XML over json is that XML is verbose AF. Strict validators, versioning, checking, and definitions is EXACTLY what you want in a storage format. ODF is also XML. It makes sense here. More information for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Schema_(W3C) |
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deadcream
sopuli.xyz
deadcream@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2024-01-19 |
For the file format, would have been JSON instead XML not the better format? Its lighter and easier to parse and write, meaning more performant than XML.
Performance doesn't matter unless you are dealing with gigabytes of xml. And ease of parsing/writing is irrelevant when it's done under the hood by the program. |
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thingsiplay
lemmy.ml
thingsiplay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-01-09 |
Iâm gunna disagree with you XML comes with validators and versioning as part of the XML spec. You can validate XML files against XSD descriptors that can be published and even referenced by the XML file. The only downside of XML over json is that XML is verbose AF. Strict validators, versioning, checking, and definitions is EXACTLY what you want in a storage format. ODF is also XML. It makes se...
JSON comes with builtin data formats that XML lacks, that's why you have such overhead with additional validation. Everything in XML is treated as strings, and there are lot of stuff like entities that is totally unneeded for a file format like in GIMP. XML Schema is needed because the format is extremely complicated unlike JSON, if you have no other validation. GIMP itself has validation builtin already. |
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thingsiplay
lemmy.ml
thingsiplay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-01-09 |
Performance doesn't matter unless you are dealing with gigabytes of xml. And ease of parsing/writing is irrelevant when it's done under the hood by the program.
Performance matters a lot, because program can autosave in quick sessions after simple steps. Even more important if multiple images are edited or loaded. While this is not the biggest improvement, it is still something to keep in mind. Performance should always be a priority. Programs will keep expanding and add bloat over time, so its good to have a format like that in mind. |
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SocialistVibes01
lemmy.ml
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-04-30 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
That's a US defaultism issue |
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SocialistVibes01
lemmy.ml
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-04-30 |
The battle tested strategy of only providing old standards to others, like MS does. |
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Da Oeuf
slrpnk.net
oeuf@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-07-16 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
Why should they change the name just for the vanity of Americans who have a dual meaning for the word, and make it difficult for the whole rest of the world to find tutorials and documentation going back decades? |
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SkavarSharraddas
gehirneimer.de
SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de Joined: 2024-06-16 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
Is anyone interested in having GIMP with another name doing the work to make that happen? |
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Da Oeuf
slrpnk.net
oeuf@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-07-16 |
GIMP is shaping up to be (and actually already is IMO) the best editor out there for nondestructive work. |
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4am
lemmy.zip
4am@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-23 |
JSON comes with builtin data formats that XML lacks, that's why you have such overhead with additional validation. Everything in XML is treated as strings, and there are lot of stuff like entities that is totally unneeded for a file format like in GIMP. XML Schema is needed because the format is extremely complicated unlike JSON, if you have no other validation. GIMP itself has validation built...
JSON items donât have attributes, which sometimes makes queries outside of a specific path or across domains difficult or impossible. âBut if you take the time to design your objects correctlyâŚâ Or they could just choose the format that already does what is needed instead of worrying about building and maintaining serialization layers to shoehorn in a functionality that they could get for free by picking the correct format in the first place. Also why are we having this argument? XML isnât going away, REST already beat SOAP, and JSON is harder to read. Compressed XML is only about 10% larger than compressed JSON, and weâre talking about the metadata of a layered image file so thatâs like 16kb vs 15kb. |
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TrackinDaKraken
lemmy.world
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-02-26 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
I suppose the association with limping is a bit unfortunate. Although GIMP is an acronym. The fact that a particular sub-culture has its own slang meaning for the word is irrelevant. |
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mholiv
lemmy.world
mholiv@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-28 |
JSON comes with builtin data formats that XML lacks, that's why you have such overhead with additional validation. Everything in XML is treated as strings, and there are lot of stuff like entities that is totally unneeded for a file format like in GIMP. XML Schema is needed because the format is extremely complicated unlike JSON, if you have no other validation. GIMP itself has validation built...
You have it mostly backwards. XML has like 40+ types that are all standardized. JSON only has the basic JS types. XML is a superset of JSON when it comes to types. How would you represent a double float, or binary data, or a datatime in JSON. You would have to use strings in JSON. In XML you would use the xsd:double, xsd:binary, and xsd:dateTime. JSON only works if you think in JavaScript. For languages with more complete / complex data systems it does not do unless you resort to the string thing. For your information: Easier to read: The official spec: As for validation I think âright tool for the right jobâ is the best approach here. How do you know your validator is validating correctly? Thatâs the beauty of XML. Validation is part of the spec. XML is more complicated, but only because itâs more capable than json. Just like protobuf is more complicated than JSON. Itâs also more complicated and not centered on JSON types. |
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thingsiplay
lemmy.ml
thingsiplay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-01-09 |
JSON items donât have attributes, which sometimes makes queries outside of a specific path or across domains difficult or impossible. âBut if you take the time to design your objects correctlyâŚâ Or they could just choose the format that already does what is needed instead of worrying about building and maintaining serialization layers to shoehorn in a functionality that they could get for free ...
As explained, its not about the compressed size only. I am talking about uncompressed data that is live patched. |
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Shimitar
downonthestreet.eu
Shimitar@downonthestreet.euJoined: 2025-01-28 |
Are they going to upgrade the name as well?
This comes up every time GIMP is mentioned. To be honest, outside US and UK (and few others) for the rest of the world the word GIMP has no negative meaning (no meaning at all). So, yeah, maybe who cares about the name? Well, change it if it's really a problem. But, is it really a problem? Fair point is GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) doesn't sound as a reasonable acronym. I would maybe find a better acronym, but changing the name itself feels like changing the name of the town of Bra in Italy or the town of Fuck in Austria, or why not, even the town of Love in Sweden... Good luck if we need to only find and use names that do not offend anybody in any language of the world. Krita, the main FOSS competitor to GIMP, feels a much worse sounding name to me. By the way, i read GIMP with a soft G (like a j) not even as English speakers do pronounce it. |
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Damage
feddit.it
Damage@feddit.it Joined: 2023-06-12 |
I've recently tried using GIMP again and, as a past detractor, I've gotta say it's improved significantly. |
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AmyAye
nord.pub
AmyAye@nord.pubJoined: 2026-06-16 |
GIMP is shaping up to be (and actually already is IMO) the best editor out there for nondestructive work.
Does the UX still suck though? |
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moldy_rice
piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.comJoined: 2026-08-07 |
Does the UX still suck though?
Nope. You just made the mistake of learning something else first and expecting other tools to match it |
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deadcream
sopuli.xyz
deadcream@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2024-01-19 |
Performance matters a lot, because program can autosave in quick sessions after simple steps. Even more important if multiple images are edited or loaded. While this is not the biggest improvement, it is still something to keep in mind. Performance should always be a priority. Programs will keep expanding and add bloat over time, so its good to have a format like that in mind.
You should always measure first before blindly following dogmas. I doubt that the choice of serialization format is what dominates processor time in this case. |
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thingsiplay
lemmy.ml
thingsiplay@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-01-09 |
You should always measure first before blindly following dogmas. I doubt that the choice of serialization format is what dominates processor time in this case.
Then you follow it by doubting it without measuring:
Also note I was not just speaking of today, but with future additions and changes. You can't measure the future, but you can plan ahead and build upon a good foundation, that the small format can be used for extending it in future. That's the idea. Also to test what you suggest they have to build the entire system years and waste lot of time and effort. |
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holy_scroller
lemmy.zip
holy_scroller@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-01-29 |
Nope. You just made the mistake of learning something else first and expecting other tools to match it
This is me with all CAD software đ |
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S_H_K
lemmy.dbzer0.com
S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2023-10-09 |
Nope. You just made the mistake of learning something else first and expecting other tools to match it
I remember a guy telling me back in 2015 or so that Gimp was designed for having 2 monitors. At first I tought it made no sense but some yers after I got the chance to try and it way more comfortable to put all toollboxes in a separate monitor. |
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purplemonkeymad
programming.dev
purplemonkeymad@programming.dev Joined: 2023-08-08 |
I've recently tried using GIMP again and, as a past detractor, I've gotta say it's improved significantly.
Honestly so much better when they moved away from the "everything is a floating window" interface. I can find stuff now. |
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atomicbocks
sh.itjust.works
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-02-16 |
Nope. You just made the mistake of learning something else first and expecting other tools to match it
This is true of pretty much all software. So many people expect to be able to pick up LibreOffice office and use it like they use MS office and then get immediately irritated the button doesnât look exactly the same and give up. |
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Zarobi
aussie.zone
Zarobi@aussie.zone Joined: 2026-06-23 |
This is true of pretty much all software. So many people expect to be able to pick up LibreOffice office and use it like they use MS office and then get immediately irritated the button doesnât look exactly the same and give up.
I got irritated by the differences, but I was more irritated by Microslop, so it was the lesser of two irritants. I mostly figured it out eventually. Finding H2 is always at the bottom of the entire style list though for some fucking reason like there's no excuse for that kind of mild irritation |
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atomicbocks
sh.itjust.works
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-02-16 |
I got irritated by the differences, but I was more irritated by Microslop, so it was the lesser of two irritants. I mostly figured it out eventually. Finding H2 is always at the bottom of the entire style list though for some fucking reason like there's no excuse for that kind of mild irritation
You could always move it and submit a pull request. That is one of the beauties of open source! |
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AmyAye
nord.pub
AmyAye@nord.pubJoined: 2026-06-16 |
Nope. You just made the mistake of learning something else first and expecting other tools to match it
I mean, sort of? I picked up Affinity Photo from Photoshop pretty quick because the UX isn't crap. |
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AmyAye
nord.pub
AmyAye@nord.pubJoined: 2026-06-16 |
This is true of pretty much all software. So many people expect to be able to pick up LibreOffice office and use it like they use MS office and then get immediately irritated the button doesnât look exactly the same and give up.
Yeah butlike, I am using Calc, and I use the arrows, and it just, moves the view instead of which cell is selected, which feels really backwards. |
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Zarobi
aussie.zone
Zarobi@aussie.zone Joined: 2026-06-23 |
For the file format, would have been JSON instead XML not the better format? Its lighter and easier to parse and write, meaning more performant than XML.
I found a Stack Overflow thread where people discuss this and actually test it. Further down the page is a 2026 test. The results are it's basically the same, very little practical difference in normal usage. If you're auto saving a file every 30 seconds you will not notice any difference between XML and JSON. Personally, I like XML more for data files like this. I would not reach for JSON as my first thought for deserealizing a complex object hierarchy. Stuff like, a polygon can have a drawing of type vector which can have n paths which each have exactly 2 points⌠easy to store and validate in XML. Quite messy and complicated in JSON.
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monovergent
lemmy.ml
monovergent@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-11-27 |
Does the UX still suck though?
First thing I always do is set icon scheme to have colors. I don't know who thought monochrome for the tools was a good idea, but it takes me twice as long to find anything. |
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Phoenixz
lemmy.ca
phoenixz@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-10 |
The page 404s What is the upgrade? |
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Zarobi
aussie.zone
Zarobi@aussie.zone Joined: 2026-06-23 |
I would not feel comfortable looking this up on a work computer.
Did you feel comfortable searching to learn how to use GIMP? |
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hexagonwin
lemmy.today
hexagonwin@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-02-07 |
Does the UX still suck though?
which part do you dislike? maybe because it fits my mental model very well, but i find the ui to be very intuitive overall. keyboard shortcuts are also pretty simple.. and there's some user made config that makes its ui and keybinds work like adobe photoshop if thats what youre used to |
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