"USian" or "United Statesian"

If a Canadian says it, 100%, if a Latino says it, they're just not happy being associated with the guys who keep their government somewhere to the right of mussolini.

It's been a while since I've encountered it, which is why I wasn't totally sure of the usage

But anecdotally, the handful of times I have seen the term in the wild, it was always from someone inserting themselves into a conversation where obviously people aren't going to be open to hearing about veganism.

Like if they hopped into a thread about, for example, a BBQ or hunting forum, and started berating people for eating meat, and when they get told to pound sand, they go off about how that's "typical carnist behavior" or something.

Which I think you can probably agree is pretty CHUD-y

Not saying that's how it's used in regular vegan circles, but that's how I've personally seen used it as a non-vegan

Executrix is still common when dealing with estates tho?

Especially when they're using it as a defense to use racial slurs in a Wal-Mart on a Saturday afternoon.

Right. It's pronounced 'Merika! Fuck yeah! Hold my beer and watch this!'

Wouldn't you want to use "vegan" to describe the diet and "veganist" to describe the ideology, then?

"Carnism" makes veganism a lot easier to discuss, because simply "vegan or non-vegan" places carnism in a position of inherent normalcy. Imagine another movement (especially a minority one) that could only describe anyone in terms of "us or non-us". Positioning carnism as an ideology (which it objectively is) challenges its otherwise unchallenged position.

Having a word for "non-us" doesn't really prevent the word from being used rhetorically in an "us vs. them" way, though... and there are plenty of other minority movements that were defined by that same kind of binary language (most of them are not remembered fondly.)

I guess the point I am trying to make is, if your hypothesis is true, that terminology isn't widely understood outside of vegan circles. If you write a paragraph at someone and they would have to look up a half dozen words to even understand your point, they are much more likely to dismiss you as some kind of radical and/or loon rather than spend the time. It's kind of like when you stroll into a philosophy or politics discussion and your brain balks at all the lingo.

They walk away thinking a vegan said some stupid shit to them, the vegan walks away thinking some stupid shit was said to them, and the interaction is a failure for all parties.

Jordan Peterson and his daughter call themselves carnists too no?

I might specify more often to clarify, like "All the female medalists/athletes," but that's quite different from when you hear someone say "Oh, you know how females can be." It's like their vocalization process includes a filter that converts "bitches" to "female" at some point between the first thought and actual speech, because they finally got the memo that not everyone is a misogynist like they are. You can hear the disdain in their voices when they say the word female.

Wouldn’t you want to use “vegan” to describe the diet and “veganist” to describe the ideology, then?

No; "veganism" is the ideology, and a "vegan" is someone who practices it. Having "vegan" and "veganist" solves nothing and would be vastly more confusing. The Vegan Society correctly appends the "dietary" part as an afterthought.

Having a word for “non-us” doesn’t really prevent the word from being used rhetorically in an “us vs. them” way, though…

Not the point I was making. The point is that giving it a name ("carnism") positions it as an ideology (which it is) instead of just some inherently baseline, default position.

It’s kind of like when you stroll into a philosophy or politics discussion and your brain balks at all the lingo.

If you want to compare it to politics, this is something akin to how an anarcho-communist would use the term e.g. "liberal" instead of "non-communist". Plenty of people in the US, for example, will confuse "liberal" with "hippie-dippie progressive", but that doesn't stop anarchists from using the term descriptively (and sometimes as an insult).

that terminology isn’t widely understood outside of vegan circles

The "vegan" versus "plant-based" thing is an original sin; it came from the original Vegan Society definition that was pretty quickly amended long before veganism had mainstream relevance. But vegans aren't going to completely shed a collective label they've used for decades; they'll continue to push for an understanding of veganism as an ethical stance, which I think they've been doing a fine job of. It's not going to cause enough problems to totally change brand, because inside vegan circles everyone knows, and outside of them, the vast majority of interactions are going to be regarding food. Any amount that "plant-based = vegan" dilutes the brand is going to be much less harmful than "let's jump ship to another brand (even one that's near-identical enough to be more confusing)".

As for "carnism", okay? That's just something you can look up; there's a Wikipedia article breaking it down in as much depth as one wants. If someone leaves an interaction with an ancom thinking that they got called a bleeding-heart progressive for supporting capitalism, okay. I'll go over to the ancom community and tell them to stop using "liberal" because some people are confused.

But realistically, I don't think Kolanaki was confused; I think they were just salty that their support for animal agriculture was positioned as an ideology at all rather than inherently normal like society otherwise constantly reinforces for them.

I hope that you can extend some grace to people born in different eras. When I hear something like "woman employee," I hear my Greatest Generation grandparents, and believe me, neither "woman doctor" or "woman driver," nor any similar construction was complimentary.

I think it was the Boomers who started to use "female" as an adjective, because it sounded clinical, descriptive, and non-judgemental. So "female employee" sounds much better to my ear. (But, FWIW, the use of "female" as a noun is total cringe.)

Yeah, inceldom has coopted the word, and now I hear that "woman doctor" is preferred, but it's not always easy to remember that on the fly when you grew up with the opposite connotation.

Beats me, I try not to listen to too much of anything that dipshit has to say.

So many pockets.

I miss my combat pants. They were comfy by the time I had to give them back, and they had so many pockets.

Corporate jargon outside the office. Hell, even in the office when it’s over the top.

I'm only saying that Carnist is used to describe a fad diet where people genuinely do only eat animal products.

It's not only used in a derogatory way. Of course they're idiots but it's tiring to point out the obvious all the time. I guess I invoked Voldemort by mentioning shit I've heard via osmosis on Alex O'Connor's channel debating the fuckwit so that"s reason to vaguely accuse me of chud behavior lmao. Oh nooo! I know things about the enemy aaaahhh! Forbidden knowledge!! A turbo lib has fainted get the smelling salts.

Ping me when you circle back to this, we might surface more examples granted we’ve still got bandwidth for it.

i actually saw a guy with someone else in their cybertruck the other day, first time for everything i guess

Don't worry. At the rate we're goíng, humanity will be long dead before "AI" is remotely sentient, let alone salty.

Any time anyone starts throwing insults and slurs at me like a Frisbee in lieu of an actual counterarguement

How their country is called?

One time I said "oh I don't get involved in politics" by which I meant, "I don't organize with any particular party" (which was the context). But I think about that all the time and hope they did not think what I always think when people say they are apolitical.

I'm very political, I just generally prefer non-partisan work.

What is lookmaxxing? It sounds like a fashion statement

My heart doesn't BLEED, that's only for pussy bitches. Real men's hearts are DRY.

If you truly weren't racist, you would hate everyone equitably.

/s (this isn't really sarcastic but its meant as a joke and I'm too tired to figure out how to express that)

I saw a guy with a military style duffle bag the other day, but it had the words "emotional baggage" on the side of it, and honestly, that passes the vibe check.

Quoting JP is a sure sign of a chud.

A unattractive person whose defining characteristic of their personality is their egotism. Most often used to describe typically one-dimensional preps, chauches, or the like. A particularly mean insult; it should not be taken nor thrown around lightly.

This was posted to urban dictionary 21 years ago, so depends how far back I guess?

I've only ever heard it used as an insult, like chump.

That’s such an American take.

Here in Australia female doctor makes grammatical sense, and woman doctor sounds ridiculous. Woman doctor would have the same assumption as it also has an opposite in man doctor, which sounds equally as ridiculous unlike male doctor.

Now you could say my doctor is a woman and that makes perfect sense whereas my doctor is a female is ferengi.

Anytime anybody tells you "I don't do drama", 99% of the time they are the cause of all the drama.

Actually chill people pretty much never bring it up.

And then it turns out that they know less about the conflict than my senile grandmother.

I think it's incel for having a shower.

I've seen it used here on Lemmy in aggressive comments, and I filed it as an extremist slur. It's not just Kolanaki.

Woman doctor and nan doctor are just gynecologist and andrologist

"I want my country back..."

Yeah, so did all those places we invaded.

I think the way to read the whole -maxxing suffix is "to maximise what comes before"

So lookmaxxing is maximising one's looks. I find the usage of the double x irksome, personally.

For years I avoided TNT for just this reason, always figured it would explode my life

I don't care about politics

Honestly I find it worse if I say sir or ma'am or such and someone gets upset. "My mother was ma'am don't call me that!"

What about people who say that they like drama

the new testament ?

AKA younger siblings, if you're into the whole brevity thing

I hate pinging. My ping is 345,600,000ms.

I don't agree with this

Hehe i downvoted you too ;)

Cheers! 🥂

But only if you look around and then covertly gesture at your genitals while saying it.

Either chill "tea" enjoyers or agents of chaos.

No middle ground.

Carnist is used to describe a fad diet where people genuinely do only eat animal products.

So like exclusively meat, cheese, honey, and milk? Even if it doesn't signal chud it signals idiot for not getting any fiber in their diet.

"I want to eat the people from the surface."

Yeppers. It has thankfully mostly died out as a fad. r*ddit link sorry: