Christian nationalist Doug Wilson wants tax rates to be determined by the Bible: "I would like Divine Law to have something to say about the marginal tax rates ... because when the state claims a tithe, they're claiming equality with God."

I mean..the Bible has a pretty prominent verse that the state should be able to set taxes.

Matthew 22:17–21:

Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”
 
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me?  Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s

This is one of the corner stones of why Christian countries aren't patriarchies Theocracies like with Islam, and an extremely well known passage.
The 10% recommendation is for the church, or God as they would probably like to imagine.

Doesn't the quaran already have that covered? Sounds like he'd better convert ..

“You hypocrites..."

Yeah, that about sums up this douche canoe.

Christian nationalist Doug Wilson wants tax rates to be determined by the Bible: "I would like Divine Law to have something to say about the marginal tax rates ... because when the state claims a tithe, they're claiming equality with God."

Somebody needs to read their Bible.

Then they sent to Him some of the Pharisees and the Herodians, to catch Him in His words. When they had come, they said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are true, and care about no one; for You do not regard the person of men, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Shall we pay, or shall we not pay?”
But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why do you test Me? Bring Me a denarius that I may see it.” So they brought it.
And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said to Him, “Caesar’s.”
And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Mark 12:13-16 (NKJV). There are other passages about submitting to earthly governments as well where they do not contravene the law of God.

I miss that brief period of time when dipshits like this would be told "Okay, buddy" and escorted out of the building.

What has paying taxes got to do with patriarchy?

What’s Jesus playing word games to avoid answering questions with no good questions got to do with patriarchy?

You’ll notice that he didn’t actually answer the question. “Give to ceasars what is ceasars” was a dodge- the question was on paying taxes to Rome.

Saying “no” would get him executed by the Romans.

Saying “yes” would delegitimize him in the eyes of Jews since the Messiah was supposed to rise up, be king, and kick their asses out of Israel, and then, you know, do the whole world domination thing.

Either way it ended with someone killing him, so he gave a non-answer that sounded smart,

This is one of the corner stones of why Christian countries aren't patriarchies

So why are christians trying to repeal women's right to vote in the United States?

Christianity, like all the abrahamic faiths, is a misogynistic death cult. Are there some good verses in the bible? Sure. But please stop ignoring the bad ones.

What has paying taxes got to do with patriarchy theocracy?

That he has a right to claim taxes not determined by the church clearly implies that Caesar is a legitimate leader of his realm. And a secular leader being legitimate implies that the Church is not supposed to be the government, but rules the realm of god or the "spiritual" world.

It's not rocket science, it's all pretty obvious, and has never been questioned in any Christian country. Because despite the self contradictions of the Bible, it is actually pretty clear on this point.

Edit:
to theocracy.

I never claimed they aren't trying to influence politics, but they aren't demanding the church should have full control either.
Religious people are delusional, bu luckily the Bible does have some limitations to the influence of their religious delusions, that unfortunately Islam doesn't have. And you can see the difference very clearly in that regard between Christian and Muslim countries. Where AFAIK Turkey is the only somewhat secular Muslim dominated country thanks to Atatürk.

Are you confusing patriarchy with theocracy? The US is a patriarchy that the Christian Nationalists are trying to turn into a theocracy.

Yes.
Brainfart, English is not my first language.

they aren't demanding the church should have full control either.

Yes, many are doing exactly that.

Religious people are delusional, bu luckily the Bible does have some limitations to the influence of their religious delusions, that unfortunately Islam doesn't have.

The bible frequently contradicts itself. Everyone has their own headcanon. There is no limit when you tolerate magical thinking.

And you can see the difference very clearly in that regard between Christian and Muslim countries. Where AFAIK Turkey is the only somewhat secular Muslim dominated country thanks to Atatürk.

I can agree that muslim countries are generally worse than christian ones.

But a christian nation has the potential to be just as horrific as any muslim one. The foundation is "submit completely to violent authority."

Why are we tolerating ANY death cults? Why are we allowing grown adults to make shit up to everyone's detriment?

a secular leader being legitimate implies that the Church is not supposed to be the government, but rules the realm of god or the "spiritual" world.

No, it's much stupider than that. They take credit for "secular" leaders, too.

Romans 13:

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

That's alright. English isn't the first language of plenty of people who only speak English.

I do agree, christianity is patriarchy historically. I think the fights fought after Luthers writings were basically liberating from that core christianity. I recall church went too greedy with payments to be freed from sins (even as murderer, incl future crimes) and double fighting popes, people gatherd all this must be bullshit. Probably also too high taxes.

Due to now accepting non believers and believers of different christianity strains, the "we vs them" was watered down few hundred years ago.

Islam is later in this process and has different circumstances like oil money financing the whole hate n terror.

"I believe in separation of church and state. But I can't vote for anyone who doesn't follow the same god and interpret scripture as a perfect decision making guide because such a person has already demonstrated a deficient decision making capability."

-Paraphrased quote from my parents

Okay, fine. But you have to do all of it. That means nobody can change more than 10% interest and there has to be a jubilee every 50 years where all debts are forgiven and all land is returned to its original owner.

did the fella pocket the coin?

It’s not rocket science. It’s so obvious you can’t actually answer the question.

So I ask again: what has any of this to do with patriarchy? Or perhaps it’s too complicated, I should ask instead “what as any of this got to do with with a society ruled by male heads of family units- usually at the clan level and usually the eldest male.”

You’re also imputing an awful lot into a non-answer. The question Jesus was asked, is “was it lawful to pay taxes to Rome”, and that’s a question that has no right answer. Or at least, no answer that doesn’t have people trying to kill him.

In the scripture, Jesus even recognizes this fact. He gave a non answer.

• Multiple currencies were in use
  (the coins minted by Tyr were thought to be particularly good as they were known to not debase their currency, which is why the temple only accepted that currency for temple tributes and offerings.).
• taxes were not always paid in currency. They could also be paid in goods (especially crops or food,) and useful services.
• the coins were owned by whoever owned them, not the emperor. The seal and face of which ever emperor was on the throne only represents the authority to mint the coin, not ownership.

And again if he gave anything but a non answer, he’d have been killed. Either by the Romans or the Jews. Which doesn’t matter… except to say the Jews probably would not have been as torturous about it.

Finally, the concept of paying taxes to the lawful government and tributes to the temple being two different obligations far predated Christianity- probably also Judaism, for that matter.

The question wasn’t about “are secular governments allowed to collect taxes” or even what rates. Ultimately, the question was “is Herod Antipas (the then-king of Judah, who was a client of Rome) legitimate,” (because guess who was paying taxes to Rome.)(also take a guess at who was making a claim to Herod’s throne.)(hint: the messiah was supposed to be a king of line of David…)

The Bible is a bit like the internet - it's large and obscure enough that if you dig long enough, you can find just about anything you want to "back up" any point of view you want.

Guarantee this dumbass talking about Divine Law will just as quickly foam at the mouth about Sharia Law.

"Anyway, I'm voting for this constantly cheating pedophile who ran his casino into the ground. Because the price of eggs is high."

-Additional paraphrased quote from mine

"I mean real Divine Law, not that terrorist crap!"

...all while he proceeds to ignore the 1000's of religions that were a thing before his specific denomination of Christianity came along and got it "right".

Who is the “original owner” of land?

Dolphins

Romans 13:1 is more about Christians being powerless when ICE is hunting down immigrants (who are often Christian talk about the actual persecution of Christians in America)

In ancient times? The king.

Maybe not the original owner, but good luck arguing that when the soldiers come to evict you.

Wilson might have had this verse in mind:

Matthew 19

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

...probably.

Happy 250th anniversary, America! Bye bye debt!

The sea!

All this just because they don't treat mental illness for free in the US.

what has any of this to do with patriarchy?

It was a brain fart, I meant theocracy, it was a brain fart because theocracy is "præstestyre" in my language. Which patriarchy is closer to in the sound of the word.

The Bible bans usury, which is the basis of the American capitalist economic system.

And Christians just ignore it.

Won't you please think of the decorum?

And if not, just get a “scholar” to make a version that has it.

A mat of single-celled organisms, that floated on a shallow sea over what is now Nebraska, 3.5 billion years ago.

Always a hilarious verse for right wingers to point to.

If we are applying it to the US, I would say Native Americans. Originally, this law was because land could only be leased for at most 50 years. It could not be sold. That feels appropriate since most , if not all, Native American groups didn't consider the land to be something that could be owned.

I also like Acts 2: 44-47

44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

His real fury will be reserved for the worst of the apostate sects. The Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.

Render unto George Washington all your quarters, and to Benjamin Franklin all 100 dollar bills. Screw Lincoln, we don't make his money no mo'

Oh for sure. And doesn't the Bible say how it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven? We must confiscate the wealth of all those poor billionaires at once for the salvation of their souls!

DIE HERETIC!

Lincoln's on the $5 bill, mate

Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's...

That means pay your fucking taxes, it's none of the church's business.

He also thinks the OT law, including slavery, should be imposed on everyone. His opinions are invalid.

And merchants out!