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Plenty of disasters that impacted mostly Christian’s can be easily pointed out

These are the same people that tell me that me getting repeatedly raped by my female, alcoholic, bipolar caregiver when I was a child, is actually a blessing from God.

I thought Nepal was Hindu

I've already heard some Nationalist Christians (Nat-Cs) going on about the same thing, just because they "weren't a Christian nation"

It's never limited to one religion, and it's usually the abrahamic ones that are the worst.

Ah but they were not true Scotsmen.

Upvoted because I liked the image, then switched to downvote when I saw your post title. Come on, man.

Nepal is a secular country. It was a hindu nation, and still is hindu majority. But most new generation are secular-hindu, as in hindu culture but not religious. Similar to how someone might celebrate Christmas but not do religious things associated with it

I was raised to be Christian, but someone screwed up and taught me to care about others instead of teaching me that God wants me to profit from their suffering. I think because of that I could never look at it the way they do.

During one of the times that Haiti was the "focus of God's wrath", I said that it seemed more like a consequence of our godlessness rather than theirs.

If God can let innocent people die when we care about them, why do we assume God is punishing the people who die that we don't care about. Maybe God is taking the people we abuse away from us. Maybe the lesson we should be taking is that we should do more to stop poverty and illness and suffering rather than patting ourselves on the back for being lucky in our birth.

Of course, I don't actually believe in God, so I don't make those arguments. However, those would be the arguments I'd make if I did believe.

Depends wether they meant “all gods” are the same or “all religious people are the same.

I'm not debating the origin. If you're buying a bunch of gifts, wrapping it in, putting them under a tree, you're technically celebrating Christmas.

If you have some other celebrations or gatherings on the same day, then yeah it's not Christmas

Ok. But in the context of what is being discussed is what you’re saying helpful or did you just want to show the class how smart you are?

Yeah.
Abrahamic religions, followed really nearly by Hinduism.

clinically insane

well, not clinically insane, because psychiatrists make an exception for religious people. Magical thinking is considered a hallmark of mental illness, unless it's part of established religious practice.

"I've been praying for a new fridge, I'm sure Jesus/Allah/Ganesha will provide!" -> healthy, normal thought
"I've been chanting to the spirit of Michael Faraday - who dwells in my basement - for a new fridge" -> crazy loon requiring immediate incarceration

I am sorry to say but either you don’t know what your talking about or you are referencing some really bad psychiatrist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_delusion

I am not a doctor but i do have experience in this field.

Humans being religious is considered normal. Just like having bias and lying to yourself and holding multiple opinions that are incompatible with eachother are all completely normal behaviours.

Wether someone worships a known deity or a made up one or a celebrity does not actually matter in a clinical context.

Believing that a devine being will grant you a fridge, is a red flag. Regardless of who that devine being is but its still not a big deal.

The following up question is, which would be “and what will you do if a year from now you still don’t have a fridge?”

If you answer that is evidence that you are punished and should have sacrificed your first born or flagging yourself -> incarcerated regardless of deity.

If you say that the deity must have had more pressing matters, you don't expect your prayers to be priority but will continue to pray nonetheless… thats fine.

Don’t be silly, women can’t rape people.

/s because people actually believe this shit.

That's what they've been indoctrinated to believe, and most people never question this controlling system that demands low-level thinking, or any of the others. They just want to fit in and go with the flow, and thinking is too hard so they want catchphrases to obliviously go through life thinking they are the chosen ones, special, etc. It's the same difference between authoritarian politics and progressive. One demands obedience to supernatural or other unproven things and the other follows the evidence of what helps humanity, reduce suffering for the most in data backed ways. We update information as we discover new things.

The truth will set us free, if enough would believe it. We're all waves of one ocean, made of stardust, the cosmos observing itself, DNA that survived all the extinction events to have this level of awareness and technology, but might cause its own extinction, or at least for billions of people born in the wrong places and w/o enough wealth. The controlling systems won't give up their wealth and power, they've had it since the first supernatural stories were used by them and they worked so well, still used today to control the masses.

I like how they posted a Surah that boils down to "stop building statues," followed by the most badass photo of a statue you can find.

The benign parts come along with other parts that do hurt people by not allowing their full humanity, and blame supernatural for real world problems that we can improve, but not if blamed on supernatural. Some say they are skeptics, but that's not true. Real skeptics are like Sagan and his kit to detect baloney. They are the opposite and really need the truth in his books. Once we know how to live better but some still subject innocent people to the unhealthy ways, it's inhumane. Half the population in some countries are still unable to ever self-actualize. Countless geniuses to help solve our problems, kept from their potential and freedom as all humans deserve.

Climate refugee crisis requires mass cooperation, but as long as people are indoctrinated to dig in deeper to supernatural and other unfalsifiable trenches, tribalism, it won't happen in time, and the suffering will be worse than it could have been. Greedy company profits drives a lot of the issues and part of the high-control system problem, but lots of people can't wait for the end to their suffering, with a supernatural reward that doesn't exist. The systems were to benefit those with the wealth and power, in this one existence, the one chance to actually experience the cosmos as conscious stardust.

I actually think if you consider people irredeemable you're a piece of shit - but like them, you're redeemable.

Damn, I get hate for this even from many atheists. They think I am being misogynist but I do believe any gender can rape anyone.

I agree that many people are like this but i don’t think religion perse is the culpit.

Lack of education and lack of individual freedom maybe.

Plenty of religious people are involved in activism, science and improving society…
But those are not the people to rub their religion in your face.

The religious people i know in my social circle, do not visit a church, do not wear religious symbols, do not talk about their religion unless asked.. and are genuinely good, smart people open minded people that are fun to discuss philosophy with and are respectful of all others.

Naturally my social cirlce is biased to be people i like, usually not jerks. But its clear to me that “religion” is not the source of evil.

They simply have faith that something bigger then them has made them for a reason that they trust is good. It can’t be disproven so as a philosophy its as fair as anything else.

I think religious doctrine is harmful though where people are told what to think, but thats still not “all the same”

People and their obsession with finding pattern and meaning.

This has been a growing thing for awhile. I've been an audio engineer for 16 years. It's common for audio engineers to work in churches for our first 10+ years because it's stable work in an inherently difficult industry to get started in. I amplify things for a living, but I draw the line at hate speech, so I've always left church gigs after they do hate speech, so I've worked at a lot of churches... They used to put on a big show of forced compassion for victims of extreme weather events. The last three churches I worked at shifted to the "well if they would've worshiped the TRUE god, they probably would've lived" shit during demented don's first term. I haven't taken another church gig since the industry bounced back from covid and never will. Church people are horrible.

“religion” is not the source of evil.

Evil is a subjective concept that can't really be pinned down, but you don't have to look far to find recent cases of abhorrent behavior carried out in the name of religion. It shouldn't be to surprising when religious people believe that they are "god's favored people" and everyone else is going to end up in the fires of hell for eternity.

not “all the same”

It is a bit simplistic to say all religions are the same. I'm not sure what religion you're thinking of, but there are "peaceful ones" like Buddhism or Jainism. For whatever reason all the Jewish religions - Islam, Christianity and the OG Judaism itself - seem to bring out the worst in humanity. It's maybe not unreasonable to say all the Jewish religions are as bad as each other.

BBC News - Big Church Festival 'devastated' as man dies after sign falls - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c158939pz4do

Did they not pray hard enough or what?

I worked the sound board for my parents church for the better part of a decade as a teenager into early 20s.

When I left after a guest pastor was allowed to do a sermon on how we should all hate lgbt groups and minorities because "God put us in a position of power over them for a reason" I swapped a bunch of cables around, turned every dial to max, and left important cables unplugged and mixed with similar looking cables.

I denied doing anything when my parents brought it up, but since I didn't do anything illegal like breaking equipment I wasn't worried about it.

I guess they tried to fix it themselves, which caused issues with the board and ended up replacing most of the sound system anyway before the end of the year while spending millions of dollars on church expansion instead of helping the community (which they claimed for years that they were doing despite straight up telling homeless people attending services they needed to leave)

Those are the kindest, most wonderful people. That anyone would disparage them in death like this is just horrifying.

Which other religions currently practice Christmas?

Better yet which culture isn’t borrowing heavily from the ones who came before them?

Which religions great flood was the real one, which version of saturnalia or Yule is the right one?

Humanity is a failure.
They see evil and think words will eliminate them.

Who was it? Was this part of the disaster in Nepal? I can't really tell much from the pixels

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Why did they translate every word from Arabic to English except for "Allah", which they transliterated?

Never heard of Zoroastrians or Shintoists saying shit like that

Tbf, allah wasn't doing shit here either.

Yeah, so, turns out the world is full of irredeemable pieces of shit. What are we going to do about it?

Evil is definitely subjective.

In this context i would describe it as highly asocial behaviour and hurting others.

Most of my social circle is officially Christian, but at the mature level where god is an abstract force rather then a bearded dude in the sky.

I would find it hard to distinguish them from other mature people of other religions. With a certain open mindned… all religions do actually become similar in that they discuss philosophy on similar matters, like morality, purpose, growth

Something many people forget is that almost all religion contain a multitude of different, sometimes opposing ideologies build on a same source and share some practices.

Even geological speaking. Christianity in the US knows many cultish forms that are unique to the US.

Historically to be considered Christianity the only things that are really required

• believe that death is not the end of life
• believe in a singular highest being that is good in nature.
• consider the mythological figure of Jesus to be an exemplary good rolemodel

You can be a religious and oppose the church of your own religion…. Jesus did.. many very religious people where burned for being heretics by their own church simply because their actual faith was stronger then the mindcontrol of doctorine.

There is also agnostic religious.. just like agnostics atheism which is where you accept that you cant know proof eitherway and have to made a personal choice. (Usually therefor not judging others for a different choice).

But again agnostic religious people aren’t going to talk about their personal faith unless prompted.. and definitely not in public near zealots who can accuse them of heresy.

I don’t know this. Lets say i am agnostic about this but i feel like your speaking from experiencing a very loud subgroup that does not represent the majority.

Allah must not be confused by other names

You seem to think that there's a possibility that one of the Jewish religions is true. I don't think that at all. There is literally no way in my mind that any of them can be true. It's more likely that the moon is made of blue cheese than Jesus Christ really was speaking to god, or Mohammed really was speaking to a magical flying Jew. But if you call yourself a Christian, or a Muslim, you *have* to believe this. You are not a Christian or a Muslim if you don't think the voices they heard in their head were real and supernatural.

There's no leeway on that. It's not enough to say, "Oh but Jesus was a really nice guy, and we should copy him". You *must* believe Jesus spoke to God and God genuinely told him that he was his son. Similar for Muslims - they *must* believe Mohammed spoke with a Jewish angel.

If I find out someone I know actually believes such complete and utter nonsense, I simply cannot look at them the same again. In my mind, they must be either immensely stupid, or hugely vain.

You seem to think that there's a possibility that one of the Jewish religions is true.

I have no idea how you got this but no I don’t believe any of the human made theories have a chance of coming even close to real truth. (Which I don’t know either, i stand firmly into the gnosis of agnosis.

And no the things you mention are genuinely not required. I even know a religious teacher who teaches christianity in a religious school and even that one would dead seriously tell me that she does not think Jesus was ever more then a moral fiction and the bible was to be interpreted, not taken literal.

Actually religious people do believe a higher power exists.. but everything else is optional and it would still count as religion.

What your talking about is specifically “religious doctrine” which is common indeed (and bad) does not mean the act of religion itself bad.

Doctorine is often religion. Religion is not always
doctrine.

Same like religion is human but not all humans religious.

Probably to differentiate which specific god they mean?

religious people do believe a higher power exists.. but everything else is optional

well now we're going way off track and deep in to the territory of twisting and distorting the reality of religion into knots, and for what? These religions' texts are quite clear - you only get salvation if you partake in certain very specific rituals. Why do such people go to such lengths to keep a dead worldview alive? If they accept that the rituals and the bigotry of the religion are irrelevant superstition from a pre-scientific age, why are they insisting on looking for life in the religion's hollow carcass? Such people also seem stupid to me. They should just accept that the religion they grew up with is built on nothing, there's nothing of value in it, so they should drop it, and move on with their life, as just another unknowing human being who isn't special and doesn't have any great purpose.

It's honestly fine to live like that and I don't know why you are trying to make excuses for such people. They are holding us back as a society.

If you are
Interested in learning more about this stuff I highly recommend “the gospel of Judas”

Starts version starts with the figure of Jesus laughs at his followers for being stupid for worshipping god.

There are again many interpretations of the original translation but at multiple times the message i got from it was “no one is dumber then someone who claim to know the truth.. especially people who worship some mythical figure.

I am sorry to say but you sketch a very narrow minded view of religion that covers only an
Extremist part.

You do not need to partake in ANY rituals. Rituals are doctrine.

I am trying to defending people who i know exist who are doing actual good for society but happen to have some personal spiritual thing going on in their private lives.

There is still room for "some personal spiritual thing" in our private lives.

What there isn't room for is the idea that someone who hears voices in their head might really be talking to God, or an angel, or a space alien.

There is no secret source of truth inside us. No voice of god telling us what to do or not to do. I meet far too many people who have this unfounded faith in some random idea that popped into their head. It is imperative for our species continued survival that such people learn how to think critically.

Hero

Presumably they don't realize that Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray to the same God that Moses prayed to, just in different ways.