the fumes (maybe just jpeg?) on the illustration make me feel ill

Or that isn't happening at all but our opinion of men is so shit that media knows we'll bite on this bait.

So as long as I'm not a zebrafish or a literal mine worker I should probably be fine then?

I also note that you're making a suspiciously large number of pro-stinky comments in this thread.

He was justified. They started halfway through and I kept eating them.

Hi, that was me. This place is pro-science, which is why when people post articles with only the most tenuous possible connection to the conversation at hand in order to promote the pro-stink agenda they're spouting all over the thread, it tends to be quite the turnoff.

The same way that stinky people tend to be quite the turnoff.

Incorrect. Because most of those guys aren't going on dates.

...unless they think it's a date and Chris Hanson pops out from the corner

not based on any reasonable logic

Most people don't want to put unwashed genitals in their mouths or their own genitals.

Forever ago I read the bast thing is to wear an unwashed exercise shirt under their date outfit because pheromones or whatever.

I wasn't insinuating that you were misogynistic, though I can definitely see how that could be taken from my comment in the context of the article.

I did read the third one, or at least what was available for free. It briefly mentions antiperspirants in passing in the same paragraph that mentions all of the likely much more serious confounding factors (including, for example, actual ingestion) that could be leading to aluminum crossing the blood-brain barrier.

From your links I'm convinced that I probably shouldn't eat or inhale aluminum, but I see much less reason to avoid anti-perspirants.

Edit: I'm also skeptical of your Nature link for all of the usual reasons to be wary of meta-studies.

If they can't even wash their own ass they're definitely not empathetic or washing dishes.

Why are you so centered on genitals?... This is not about genitals or putting them in mouths. Stop making me second hand to whatever fetish this is lol...

Dating is a fetish now?

Sometimes after dates, people decide to have sex. Generally, one might want to be clean enough to not give their potential sex partner an infection or bad taste in their mouth.

Do I need to explain how babies come to be as well?

Manosphere influencers are getting dates because of that shit. They're getting dates because they're paying for it with money from all the morons following them.

Clueless men taking advice from closeted gay men on how to pick up women. Good plan.👌🏻

when y’all are at your stankiest from the day’s activities

If you're showering regularly, that really shouldn't be that much of an issue unless you have a very active job outside.

Every woman I know loves their boyfriend/husband's "musk" when they're sweaty. That's a pretty common partner thing.

I don't have to like the science - it just needs to actually be relevant to the conversation (that is, people showering and using deodorant), and not a handful of essentially random studies dug up as flailing, ad-hoc support to a thread-wide crusade against basic hygeine.

Edit: To be more clear, if I hadn't already noticed all of your other comments spammed around the thread, I probably wouldn't have downvoted the studies you posted. It was the specific impression of disingenuously throwing any science you could at the wall and hoping it stuck that made me want to downvote.

Same reason I downvote most studies posted by vegans and creationists, actually - the distasteful practice of taking an ideological position and then trying to find/manufacture "science" to support it after the fact.

Also known as pruning the gene pool

I don't sample anything when I kiss, so I don't know… for me it is more a moment of exchange with an other persone and that mater is more in the sentimental feelings and complicity.

Are they able to cook?

why do you have to come at me like that

Dart tournaments are just as bad.

Then shower before the sex? None of my conversation involves sex or genital hygiene. I'm not discussing it. You are, and yes bringing that into the conversation continually without my consent after I've directly stated I'm not talking about genitals is probably a fetish for you? Unless you're willing to stop talking about it?

You'd love me when I come home from work, then. Industrial chemicals and sweat, too tired to be anything but nice lol

My wife loves to gargle my salt and vinegar balls after a long hard summer's day of manual labor.

It's relevant in the same way that equating using a salt scrub in the bath with death from directly eating a pound of table salt is relevant.

"I really like using my salt scrub - it gives me super smooth skin." "Bro, sodium HAZ negative effects on the body. THIS IS RELEVANT."

Also, I made a late edit to the above comment that might be of interest since this thread is originally about why I downvoted you.

Have you ever kissed someone you loved and found out from that kiss that youwere not compatible with that persone? I have know a few kissers, but I haven't heared of that among my friends or relatives…

I can make a cheese omelette, and rice and peas. I can feed myself essentially, but not to a quality that I can share with others, or so I've been told

Appreciate the offer for recipes though, kind stranger

That's literally the conversation. My argument is that mandating showers before events

I don't think you know what mandate means? Making fun of people who are confusing body odor with pheromones is not the same as someone giving an official command to always bathe before dates.

the entire meme here screams of shallow peacocking

What do you think peacocking means? I don't know how someone is going to make themselves stand out of the crowd by bathing.

You're the only one talking about genitals.

Do you not think the condition of your genitals may have something to do with why you should take a shower? Especially before going on a date?

I know what mandate means, it's fine you don't understand me I don't wish to clarify.

Peacocking is just changing any set of habits to impress over your baseline, it doesn't require any specific or significant signifer and can be hygiene, dress, financial, or otherwise.

I think that you're too fuckin shallow if you think a date directly ties to sex, but hey, lots of people are.

Then shower before the sex? None of my conversation involves sex or genital hygiene. I'm not discussing it.

Have you ever been on a date that ended with sex? Most of the time you aren't exactly asked to take a shower beforehand, expecting someone to have clean genitals is kinda the norm.

I'm not talking about genitals is probably a fetish for you? Unless you're willing to stop talking about it?

That line of questioning is devastating to my argument, please stop speaking about it. I do not consent to losing this argument.

I'm a trained chef and recently moved into a place with a panini press. Oh my god how I love this thing. It's the ultimate tool for people who can't cook. You don't even need to do anything chef-like, just put ingredients between bread and press for four minutes. Done. It makes rivals to some of my favorite crazy-ass chef'd up meals.

Goat cheese, chicken, tomato spinach and pesto.

Just cheeses, whatever cheeses

Apple, watercress and brie, to impress.

Meatballs, sauce and mozza.

Grill a PB + J, it's a whole new level.

Hell, you can even make french toast with it.

I don't like eating aluminum. I like licking armpits. I am biased.

This is a very fair point that I admit I did not take into consideration.

It's absolutely a reasonable position to not be in favor of anti-perspirant if it's likely you'd be in a position to ingest it, at least for your potential partners specifically.

That said, I also think that's likely a minority position in the thread, enough so to warrant a disclaimer when you posted the original studies.

This is especially the case if that fact is what your argument against using anti-perspirants is actually resting on, and you're not just trying to find post-hoc support of your dislike of anti-perspirants in general.

It still doesn't really explain the studies about miners and zebrafish though.

We don't have to agree, except on one thing. Chuds suck because they're assholes, not because they stink.

The closest I can get is "Chuds suck because they're assholes, and the fact that some of them stink is a very small but valid additional reason to not want to be around them."

I mean, I wash off my nethers before bed for that reason, but I don't take a full shower. I don't even get my top half wet. My wife loves my natural smell at the end of the day.

God you're fucking shallow and a terrible debater. I'm not diswaying from discussing it because it's some sort of crux to my argument, I'm diswaying from it's discussion because it is unrelated to the discussion. If all you've got in your mind is the others genitals during a date, you're chasing smoke, and you'll realize that when you're older or wiser. Plus, I don't really care to talk about genitals or sex with you, I'll discuss hygiene, but that can be in generic terms with no sexual involvement. My entire point to all of this is that it's shallow to change your habits just to persuade someone into a date/relationship, it's not sustainable long term, and you'll end up unhappy. You are clearly someone who needs to learn that lesson yourself with time.

There's a difference between "I haven't showered today, but otherwise keep myself clean" and "I routinely neglect essential basic hygiene to the degree it can be considered mental illness."

I think some people are assuming you're talking about the later.

That is metaphoric, and they often say that before any kiss happend… and if they kiss while "there is no chemistry" they aren't much of romantics…

I don't clean my dishes either. But that's because I have a dishwasher lol.
Seriously, aren't dishwashers a thing in the US?

Peacocking is just changing any set of habits to impress over your baseline

That is not the commonly understood definition of peacocking......

"Peacocking is a social behavior where someone dresses or acts in a flashy, exaggerated way to grab attention and stand out from a crowd"

you're too fuckin shallow if you think a date directly ties to sex, but hey, lots of people are.

Wut? I wouldn't exactly go on a date to acquire a platonic friendship..... Typically dates are tied to a romantic relationship, most romantic relationships include sexual intercourse.

It's hilarious that you think being considerate to your partner makes you shallow. I feel bad for any of your current or future significant others.

When we refer to doing the dishes, it typically means unloading and loading the dishwasher. Not every household has a dishwasher here though.

i do this to keep people away from me.

Maybe not "pheromones", but there's certain aspects that make up our "smell" that people can detect. Compatible immune systems (i.e. "could we likely produce healthy offspring?") and apparently fertility can affect smell in a way people are sensitive to.

And sexuality plays a part too. People prefer the smell of the gender they're attracted to.

Body odor does not necessarily have to do with washing your own ass, you can stink at the same day you took a shower...
There's a difference in smell vs not washed though.