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SorteKanin
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AnyOldName3
lemmy.world
AnyOldName3@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
The problem with this kind of innovation is that it's improving what's already one of the fastest and easiest parts of building a house. Digging foundations, plastering the walls, doing the plumbing, doing the electrics and laying the flooring can all individually take longer than the bricklaying, and are much harder to automate. |
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Null User Object
lemmy.world
nulluser@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-08 |
3D-Printed Houses Are Already Failing - Megaprojects |
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cannedtuna
lemmy.world
cannedtuna@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
The problem with this kind of innovation is that it's improving what's already one of the fastest and easiest parts of building a house. Digging foundations, plastering the walls, doing the plumbing, doing the electrics and laying the flooring can all individually take longer than the bricklaying, and are much harder to automate.
It’s like they forgot precast exists |
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Ludicrous0251
piefed.zip
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-09-11 |
It's neat in concept, but such a waste of material over stick framing. Also, do you need to bust out the impact drill every time you want to hang a photo? What it you need to move an outlet? Also also, what happened if you foundation shifts, like at all? And how's the insulation on this? Nothing is thermally broken, you're gonna have a good amount of heat going through those rounded corners. |
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bobslaede
feddit.dk
bobslaede@feddit.dk Joined: 2023-06-01 |
It’s like they forgot precast exists
Guessing you didnt read it, because its in danish. |
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rollerbang
lemmy.world
rollerbang@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
Guessing you didnt read it, because its in danish. The article specifically mentions that this technique uses 30% of the material that would have been used for precast.
But what does that mean for strength? I also see surprisingly little "armouring". Not sure how that's called in English - the metal wires in-between. |
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rizzothesmall
sh.itjust.works
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-22 |
"Der terk er jerbs" |
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azimir
lemmy.ml
azimir@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-02 |
It's neat in concept, but such a waste of material over stick framing. Also, do you need to bust out the impact drill every time you want to hang a photo? What it you need to move an outlet? Also also, what happened if you foundation shifts, like at all? And how's the insulation on this? Nothing is thermally broken, you're gonna have a good amount of heat going through those rounded corners.
As to the stone thing: most of the houses and apartments in Germany are mainly stone walls. Somehow we manage it here. Benefits include: massive soundproofing. Heat and cold envelope. Stability of buildings in tighter blocks. Build once, use forever. Store is just fine, and yes we have an impact drill. It cost 30 Euro and does all of the light duty stuff we need. Renovations are tougher, but also rarer. |
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nomad
infosec.pub
Nomad@infosec.pub Joined: 2023-06-16 |
3D-Printed Houses Are Already Failing - Megaprojects https://youtu.be/nRLqld_jD_g
Tldw cracking in the concrete and quite scammy companies. |
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bobslaede
feddit.dk
bobslaede@feddit.dk Joined: 2023-06-01 |
But what does that mean for strength? I also see surprisingly little "armouring". Not sure how that's called in English - the metal wires in-between.
I'm just guessing, but it is probably reinforced with fiberglass or a similar fibers in the cement. |
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nomad
infosec.pub
Nomad@infosec.pub Joined: 2023-06-16 |
It's neat in concept, but such a waste of material over stick framing. Also, do you need to bust out the impact drill every time you want to hang a photo? What it you need to move an outlet? Also also, what happened if you foundation shifts, like at all? And how's the insulation on this? Nothing is thermally broken, you're gonna have a good amount of heat going through those rounded corners.
I always thought it curious that Americans like to build houses that blow away while experiencing lots of hurricanes all the time. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Tldw cracking in the concrete and quite scammy companies.
3D house printing has been a scam from day one. Not cheaper, not faster, not more reliable and they cannot be altered or upgraded in the future. Questionable R values. These turds got pinched out but will all be knocked down in a decade. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
I always thought it curious that Americans like to build houses that blow away while experiencing lots of hurricanes all the time.
Sure, pretend like European clay roofing tiles do not blow off and European stonework isn't a patch quilt of continuous repair. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
It's neat in concept, but such a waste of material over stick framing. Also, do you need to bust out the impact drill every time you want to hang a photo? What it you need to move an outlet? Also also, what happened if you foundation shifts, like at all? And how's the insulation on this? Nothing is thermally broken, you're gonna have a good amount of heat going through those rounded corners.
The people who thought 3D printed houses were innovative had no idea how houses are built. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
As to the stone thing: most of the houses and apartments in Germany are mainly stone walls. Somehow we manage it here. Benefits include: massive soundproofing. Heat and cold envelope. Stability of buildings in tighter blocks. Build once, use forever. Store is just fine, and yes we have an impact drill. It cost 30 Euro and does all of the light duty stuff we need. Renovations are tougher, but al...
Stone is horrible for insulation. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
But what does that mean for strength? I also see surprisingly little "armouring". Not sure how that's called in English - the metal wires in-between.
Rebar. Yes, there is no rebar and these houses are cracking and falling apart. |
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nomad
infosec.pub
Nomad@infosec.pub Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Sure, pretend like European clay roofing tiles do not blow off and European stonework isn't a patch quilt of continuous repair.
Actually the only tiles blowing away, even in a storm are those already lose. And they are easy and cheap to replace. |
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runner_g
piefed.blahaj.zone
runner_g@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-11-29 |
But what does that mean for strength? I also see surprisingly little "armouring". Not sure how that's called in English - the metal wires in-between.
I'm not sure about this company but there's one in the US that has an embedded nozzle laying down steel cabling inside each concrete bead. |
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MonkeMischief
lemmy.today
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-10-24 |
"Der terk er jerbs" ~ Brickies
"Deh derk eh durrrr!!!" |
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Waterpumpee
lemmus.org
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org Joined: 2026-06-05 |
If this is 3d printing, making love is bio engineering. |
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papalonian
lemmy.world
papalonian@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-09-29 |
If this is 3d printing, making love is bio engineering.
How does this not meet the definition of 3d printing? The machines that do this are legitimately just giant core-XY machines with concrete hoppers instead of a hot end |
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blackbeans
lemmy.zip
blackbeans@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-01-21 |
It's neat in concept, but such a waste of material over stick framing. Also, do you need to bust out the impact drill every time you want to hang a photo? What it you need to move an outlet? Also also, what happened if you foundation shifts, like at all? And how's the insulation on this? Nothing is thermally broken, you're gonna have a good amount of heat going through those rounded corners.
Stone or concrete walls are normal in many countries. You can indeed use a hammer drill to drill holes. You can buy them for as little as 30 dollars these days. And you can use an angle grinder to make cutouts for cables/tubes, and apply plaster afterwards. Many houses in the colder regions already have cavity walls with insulation in between the walls regardless of the building method, so I don't think this method is very wasteful in amount of material. However, I agree that 3D printing houses had various downsides, such as the weird surface, inflexibility to modify/expand/repair after the initial build and potentiality worse insulation characteristics. I am more of a believer in prefabricated houses, where building houses becomes an industry instead of a project. |
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runner_g
piefed.blahaj.zone
runner_g@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-11-29 |
3D-Printed Houses Are Already Failing - Megaprojects https://youtu.be/nRLqld_jD_g
I watched this video a couple weeks ago and it's pure click bait. He discussed one single instance where a known scammer takes advantage of a poor community and doesn't do what he said he would. The video completely ignores all the progress the printer manufacturing companies are making and only devotes like 60 seconds at the very end to mention that the industry is improving rapidly. Here's a Tested video from last year where Adam visits one of the manufacturers. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orurGdrlzIs |
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runner_g
piefed.blahaj.zone
runner_g@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-11-29 |
It's neat in concept, but such a waste of material over stick framing. Also, do you need to bust out the impact drill every time you want to hang a photo? What it you need to move an outlet? Also also, what happened if you foundation shifts, like at all? And how's the insulation on this? Nothing is thermally broken, you're gonna have a good amount of heat going through those rounded corners.
You print 2 layers with an air gap between. Themis gap gives room for plumbing and electrical, and also serves as an insulation layer. A thin layer of still air has relatively low thermal conductivity, minimizing heat exchange between inside and outside. |
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AnyOldName3
lemmy.world
AnyOldName3@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
How does this not meet the definition of 3d printing? The machines that do this are legitimately just giant core-XY machines with concrete hoppers instead of a hot end
A shame they're not brave enough to print a building on a bedslinger. |
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SatansMaggotyCumFart
piefed.world
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world Joined: 2025-07-09 |
I want to 3D print bricks and use it to build my house so I can use a smaller printer. |
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the_fuckler
nord.pub
the_fuckler@nord.pub Joined: 2026-07-01 |
Can anyone tell me now this compares in efficiency to traditional building? It looks like a lot of setup |
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SorteKanin
feddit.dk
SorteKanin@feddit.dkJoined: 2023-04-27 |
Can anyone tell me now this compares in efficiency to traditional building? It looks like a lot of setup
Not sure about speed but I imagine it could be pretty speedy, if for no other reason than the fact that it can run with much fewer workers and probably also running during the night. I mean even if it was half as slow as manual labour, if it ran for 24 hours, it would still be faster overall. But another point is that it uses much less material, 70% less according to the article. I suppose that helps with costs and CO2 emissions. |
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the_fuckler
nord.pub
the_fuckler@nord.pub Joined: 2026-07-01 |
Not sure about speed but I imagine it could be pretty speedy, if for no other reason than the fact that it can run with much fewer workers and probably also running during the night. I mean even if it was half as slow as manual labour, if it ran for 24 hours, it would still be faster overall. But another point is that it uses much less material, 70% less according to the article. I suppose that...
That makes sense. 70% less material is a staggering amount, that would probably offset if it ran on literal coal and steam. Maybe. That's hyperbolic but you get what I was thinking of. |
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ruuster13
lemmy.zip
ruuster13@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-07-09 |
Actually the only tiles blowing away, even in a storm are those already lose. And they are easy and cheap to replace.
That's the guiding philosophy under the American housing industry. |
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Dharma Curious (he/him)
slrpnk.net
dharmacurious@slrpnk.netJoined: 2024-03-22 |
Honestly, this would be a really cool way to build Cobb houses, which are very environmentally friendly, have fantastic insulation, and are some of our oldest still standing structures, iirc. Good hat and boots (roof with overhang and foundation), 3d printed Cobb walls, and a lime coating, and I could see this really making housing costs a lot lower in certain communities. Biggest downside to Cobb from my research is just that electrical and plumbing typically needs to be running conduit on top of the wall, instead of inside the wall, if you want the option to upgrade or change it later. |
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nomad
infosec.pub
Nomad@infosec.pub Joined: 2023-06-16 |
easy and cheap to replace That's the guiding philosophy under the American housing industry.
Just with not caring about the safety of the occupants at all. |
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ExcessShiv
lemmy.dbzer0.com
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-04-23 |
Stone is horrible for insulation.
Yes, which is why we stuff the space between inner and outer wall with insulation, usually mineral or glass wool, which have excellent insulation capabilities. |
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chris
l.roofo.cc
chris@l.roofo.ccJoined: 2023-06-14 |
As far as I have seen it's very finicky. The concrete mixture is very special because normalnconcrete is not made for stacking layers and it's also very sensitive to the weather. If it's not exactly right it will start cracking. I am not sure if anyone could yet demonstrate it at scale while being cheaper than traditional building. |
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Talcosis
lemmy.zip
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-06-03 |
Not sure about speed but I imagine it could be pretty speedy, if for no other reason than the fact that it can run with much fewer workers and probably also running during the night. I mean even if it was half as slow as manual labour, if it ran for 24 hours, it would still be faster overall. But another point is that it uses much less material, 70% less according to the article. I suppose that...
If you're switching to concrete, emissions will be worse than pretty much anything else you could use. Concrete is already responsible for some 8-12% of all global CO2 emissions. |
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SorteKanin
feddit.dk
SorteKanin@feddit.dkJoined: 2023-04-27 |
If you're switching to concrete, emissions will be worse than pretty much anything else you could use. Concrete is already responsible for some 8-12% of all global CO2 emissions.
What do you mean switching? Think this is more about using less concrete than stopping to use it entirely. That also helps, but yea it's a problem. |
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Talcosis
lemmy.zip
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-06-03 |
What do you mean switching? Think this is more about using less concrete than stopping to use it entirely. That also helps, but yea it's a problem.
Most houses around these parts are made of wood, not concrete. |
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SorteKanin
feddit.dk
SorteKanin@feddit.dkJoined: 2023-04-27 |
Most houses around these parts are made of wood, not concrete.
In Denmark it's usually bricks (very common and traditional) or other stone like materials or concrete. Never understood why there is this difference across the world in how houses are usually built, but wood seems a very... Temporary material for something like a house? I've lived in buildings from the 1910s, I can't imagine anything made of wood lasting that long. |
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Talcosis
lemmy.zip
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-06-03 |
In Denmark it's usually bricks (very common and traditional) or other stone like materials or concrete. Never understood why there is this difference across the world in how houses are usually built, but wood seems a very... Temporary material for something like a house? I've lived in buildings from the 1910s, I can't imagine anything made of wood lasting that long.
My house is wood and was built in 1923. Houses are made of wood in the US because we didn't chop down our forests in the 1500s. European houses generally fall into the category of 1000+ year old stone or modern brick |
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Malica
lemmy.zip
Malica@lemmy.zipJoined: 2026-08-27 |
In Denmark it's usually bricks (very common and traditional) or other stone like materials or concrete. Never understood why there is this difference across the world in how houses are usually built, but wood seems a very... Temporary material for something like a house? I've lived in buildings from the 1910s, I can't imagine anything made of wood lasting that long.
If they're taken care of properly they can last centuries |
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KyuubiNoKitsune
lemmy.blahaj.zone
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2023-06-18 |
Most houses around these parts are made of wood, not concrete.
US defaultism A lot of the rest of the world build with brick and mortar. |
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w3ird_sloth
lemmy.world
w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-08-13 |
A shame they're not brave enough to print a building on a bedslinger.
I could totally upgrade my ender to do this... |
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kalpol
lemmy.ca
kalpol@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-06-05 |
As far as I have seen it's very finicky. The concrete mixture is very special because normalnconcrete is not made for stacking layers and it's also very sensitive to the weather. If it's not exactly right it will start cracking. I am not sure if anyone could yet demonstrate it at scale while being cheaper than traditional building.
You are correct. I watched one being built. It is only the walls, for one thing, they still did foundation, roof, interior framing the old-fashioned way. The concrete was trucked in on pallets and mixed on site and it looked like a ton of work, and the machine was always breaking, it looked like. Honestly don't know why they don't print the concrete forms in plastic and inject concrete, injectable cast concrete has been a thing for like a hundred years. You could do your raceways and plumbing runs and all then fill. |
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chris
l.roofo.cc
chris@l.roofo.ccJoined: 2023-06-14 |
You are correct. I watched one being built. It is only the walls, for one thing, they still did foundation, roof, interior framing the old-fashioned way. The concrete was trucked in on pallets and mixed on site and it looked like a ton of work, and the machine was always breaking, it looked like. Honestly don't know why they don't print the concrete forms in plastic and inject concrete, injecta...
That would be a lot of waste plastic. Concrete is very heavy. That means the form hast to be extremely tough. For plastic that means a lot of plastic. At a certain point you won't win anything there either. |
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majster
lemmy.zip
majster@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-26 |
The problem with this kind of innovation is that it's improving what's already one of the fastest and easiest parts of building a house. Digging foundations, plastering the walls, doing the plumbing, doing the electrics and laying the flooring can all individually take longer than the bricklaying, and are much harder to automate.
That is why developers over here love to sell houses that are just walls, windows, roof and facade. You get to juggle 10 different contractors until finished yourself |
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bstix
feddit.dk
bstix@feddit.dk Joined: 2023-06-09 |
The problem with this kind of innovation is that it's improving what's already one of the fastest and easiest parts of building a house. Digging foundations, plastering the walls, doing the plumbing, doing the electrics and laying the flooring can all individually take longer than the bricklaying, and are much harder to automate.
One of the things that this project is testing is how the foundations are made. They do not have to clear the trees to dig and level out the area to fill in loads of gravel just to make a concrete pour. They are somehow able to make the foundations around existing structures like trees and on somewhat uneven ground. |
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AnyOldName3
lemmy.world
AnyOldName3@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
One of the things that this project is testing is how the foundations are made. They do not have to clear the trees to dig and level out the area to fill in loads of gravel just to make a concrete pour. They are somehow able to make the foundations around existing structures like trees and on somewhat uneven ground.
This machine looks much bigger than a wheelbarrow, and you still need to dig the foundation, so I don't see how it could possibly need less space to be cleared than just pouring concrete into a hole would. |
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bstix
feddit.dk
bstix@feddit.dk Joined: 2023-06-09 |
This machine looks much bigger than a wheelbarrow, and you still need to dig the foundation, so I don't see how it could possibly need less space to be cleared than just pouring concrete into a hole would.
It runs on tracks, so it might be slimmer on the ground level than the conventional construction vehicles. Sure a wheelbarrow is smaller, but I don't think that's a realistic option, lol. |
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AnyOldName3
lemmy.world
AnyOldName3@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
It runs on tracks, so it might be slimmer on the ground level than the conventional construction vehicles. Sure a wheelbarrow is smaller, but I don't think that's a realistic option, lol.
When I've seen foundations for homes get poured and they haven't been on a large construction site that's already been flattened (where the ability to work around things like trees wouldn't matter), it's been done by having one or two builders fill up a wheelbarrow with concrete where the concrete mixer lorry could drive to, then wheel it to where the foundations were being poured and empty their wheelbarrows into the foundations. |
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Honytawk
discuss.tchncs.de
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2026-02-20 |
If this is 3d printing, making love is bio engineering.
Sex is bio engineering. It is just that you don't get to decide the engineering part. Your genes and proteins do. |
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