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FundMECFS
piefed.zip
FundMECFS@piefed.zipJoined: 2025-08-03 |
Kind of like all the sugar substitute correlation “studies” that keep saying sugar substitutes cause the same diseases that being obese cause. Hmmm, I wonder who typically consumes sugar substitutes…
Good point, has any good prospective study been done on this? Seems like something that really should be studied with methodology that can prove or disprove causation. |
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flamingo_pinyata
sopuli.xyz
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-08-17 |
How does wine taste? I really wanna taste wine before I die.
If you haven't tried it because you have to avoid alcohol, good news - alcohol free wine is hitting the market. Tbh, it's not the most amazing example of wine, but the ones I tried were not awful either. It would give you a good example how wine tastes like. |
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ayyy
sh.itjust.works
ayyy@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-06-20 |
Good point, has any good prospective study been done on this? Seems like something that really should be studied with methodology that can prove or disprove causation.
Yes, artificial sweeteners are literally the most studied food in human history. There are a lot of different chemicals involved so I won’t make any sweeping statements, but all of the most popular ones have been proven over and over to be harmless. But then things get complicated because the sugar lobby will fund a rat study where they inject an absolutely insane amount of sweeteners into their blood and it obviously fucks them up. Then they publish a study about how the sweeteners cause all kinds of ailments. But when you actually look into it (nobody does) you realize they injected the equivalent of drinking 100 Liters of soda per day, which obviously nobody does. |
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Naive
lemmy.world
Naive@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-05-10 |
If you haven't tried it because you have to avoid alcohol, good news - alcohol free wine is hitting the market. Tbh, it's not the most amazing example of wine, but the ones I tried were not awful either. It would give you a good example how wine tastes like.
I wanna drink alcohol bro. |
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Viceversa
lemmy.world
Viceversa@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-12-29 |
No amount of alcohol is safe? Is that like saying no amount of driving is safe?
alcohol is driving? |
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hansolo
lemmy.today
hansolo@lemmy.todayJoined: 2025-06-07 |
Kind of like all the sugar substitute correlation “studies” that keep saying sugar substitutes cause the same diseases that being obese cause. Hmmm, I wonder who typically consumes sugar substitutes…
Flip side of the studies that show people that eat almonds as a snack live longer. Almonds are fucking expensive, yo. If you're snacking on almonds, you're doing OK already. |
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rollin
piefed.social
rollin@piefed.social Joined: 2025-07-27 |
I wanna drink alcohol bro.
personally I don't think any alcoholic beverage tastes good - at least not the traditional ones like wine, beer, spirits. I do still drink and have done since I was a kid because it does make you feel kind of happy and socialising is easier and more enjoyable. (just two or three drinks though - more than that and it starts having negative effects) |
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TubularTittyFrog
lemmy.world
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-23 |
Idk... a lot of gen Z people I know just don't drink at all
because they can't afford it. prices are up, incomes are down. Gen Z starting incomes aren't much higher than the start incomes of people from 10-20 year ago, but booze prices are triple what they were, i've actually seen them start to come down recently because well, even older folks can't afford $20 cocktails or $20 four packs of beer. when I was 25 $20 got you a 24 pack of craft beer. or a 48 of the cheap shit. |
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psud
aussie.zone
psud@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-26 |
People who live longer: People who drink a glass of wine every night. People who buy organic and cook whole foods at home. People who spend 30+ minutes a day being activr/at the gym. People who get 9+ hours of sleep every night. People who have less chronic stress. People who get regular checkups/screenings at the doctor. So... rich people that have the time and can afford to do all of those th...
No one recommends 9 hours sleep. Humans in the wild (hunter gatherers) sleep about 6 hours. People in the industrialised world sleep about 7 or 8 hours. We don't know whether 8 hours is better or worse than six |
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psud
aussie.zone
psud@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-26 |
What about a horse with no name?
Good for riding through a desert |
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jdr
lemmy.ml
jdr@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-07-28 |
alcohol is driving?
Exactly! I meant that plenty of people drink reasonable amounts alcohol all the time with no apparent issues. |
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cabillaud
lemmy.world
cabillaud@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-30 |
In the UK where everyone has decent basic health care on average you live 2 years shorter if you own a horse. It's worse than riding a motorcycle (1 year shorter). It turns out that owning a big animal that will kick you if you look at it funny or throw you off if it gets startled by a packet of crisps in the road isn't that great for your health.
I always thought horses could murder someone because that's their idea of a good joke. |
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LaunchesKayaks
lemmy.world
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Most horse people I know (me included) are BROKE because we choose to have horse(s) when we really shouldn't. Bad financial decisions for sure, but most horse people have a passion for the creatures and don't let things like finances get in the way. There have been days where I've skipped meals in order to buy my horse her supplements. Not many days, but a couple. My bond with horses is what keeps me going when I'm at my lowest, so I refuse to give them up. My mom and grandma will occasionally sneak me a few bucks to help because they're almost as invested in my horse as I am. Here's the horse tax: |
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GreyEyedGhost
piefed.ca
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-11-30 |
Exactly! I meant that plenty of people drink reasonable amounts alcohol all the time with no apparent issues.
It means that any amount of alcohol increases the odds of you dying sooner or having other negative health effects sooner (which will lead to you dying sooner). There is no amount that won't increase those odds. It says nothing about how much any given drink would impact your life span. I'm not saying it's negligible or significant, but I can't be bothered to look it up. |
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NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ
lemmy.world
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
No one recommends 9 hours sleep. Humans in the wild (hunter gatherers) sleep about 6 hours. People in the industrialised world sleep about 7 or 8 hours. We don't know whether 8 hours is better or worse than six
I think at that point it just varies too much by individual. Some people are completely fine with 6 hours a night. I am not one of those people. |
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Eq0
literature.cafe
Eq0@literature.cafe Joined: 2023-08-01 |
There are different levels of poverty that vary drastically in quality of life, and are highly dependent on what region you live in. Being poor basically anywhere in Europe is a lot easier than being poor in America. Being poor in a state like California or New York is going to be easier than being poor in Oklahoma or Alabama. Different regions have different local governments that have a huge ...
“Two to three jobs” is already a statement that in Europe would apply to basically no one, while it’s a common reality in US |
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TubularTittyFrog
lemmy.world
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-23 |
Flip side of the studies that show people that eat almonds as a snack live longer. Almonds are fucking expensive, yo. If you're snacking on almonds, you're doing OK already.
what? they are fairly cheap for a nut. that's why they are so ubiquitous. walnut, pecan, pistachio, macademia... all more per lb. most other nuts cost more, excluding peanuts. almonds are about 5 dollars a lb raw, which is the price of cheap cuts of chicken, which is by far the cheapest meat on the market. |
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jdr
lemmy.ml
jdr@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-07-28 |
It means that any amount of alcohol increases the odds of you dying sooner or having other negative health effects sooner (which will lead to you dying sooner). There is no amount that won't increase those odds. It says nothing about how much any given drink would impact your life span. I'm not saying it's negligible or significant, but I can't be bothered to look it up.
Come on, you have to say it's positively correlated rather than causative that's the whole point of the thread. This isn't a hill I want to die on, but I don't think it's a meaningful claim without a bit more nuance. |
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GreyEyedGhost
piefed.ca
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-11-30 |
Come on, you have to say it's positively correlated rather than causative that's the whole point of the thread. This isn't a hill I want to die on, but I don't think it's a meaningful claim without a bit more nuance.
Well, the WHO puts it in the same category as tobacco. Is tobacco just strongly correlated to cancer? And I don't need to say it is causative, because The Lancet did. You can stack that data up against your anecdotes however you like. |
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AVincentInSpace
pawb.social
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social Joined: 2023-09-13 |
Gtfo of here, we should all know trade groups hire agencies to construct studies from it's cool to reach that conclustion. You are either ignorant and given to trolling people you think (often incorrectly,) have made some offense, or a fucking moron. Now piss off.
"Some studies are done with funding contingent on a certain result, therefore all science is junk and science as an institution is untrustworthy" |
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psud
aussie.zone
psud@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-26 |
The glass of wine is likely due to a selection bias in Tea Total people. Most people who are completely sober, are so either because they are recovering alcoholics, or have other health issues. Most people who are healthy and have no prior alcoholism issues drink at least occasionaly, which introduces a selection bias favouring people with health issues as strict non drinkers, which causes not ...
That's teetotal, nothing to do with the nice hot cuppa Also last time I saw teetotalers being less healthy than occasional drinkers was decades ago before never drinking became normal among the youth as they came of age Back then the only reason to not drink was to treat alcoholism or a serious problem. Now people abstain because their friends do |
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Dave
lemmy.nz
Dave@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-02 |
No amount of alcohol is safe? Is that like saying no amount of driving is safe?
Sure. Any driving you do increases your risk of death. But it's likely you need to drive for other reasons that reduce your risk of death (like buying food). Drinking is different because no one needs to drink. |
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psud
aussie.zone
psud@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-26 |
How does wine taste? I really wanna taste wine before I die.
They are varied. Red wines have more tannins than white, white wines come in different sweetness, with the less sweet ones described as dry If you wanted to try a red wine I would suggest starting on merlot I wouldn't recommend drinking an entire bottle in a day. Opened wine can be kept in the fridge for a few days |
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jdr
lemmy.ml
jdr@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-07-28 |
Well, the WHO puts it in the same category as tobacco. Is tobacco just strongly correlated to cancer? And I don't need to say it is causative, because The Lancet did. You can stack that data up against your anecdotes however you like.
Did you read that paper? I don't believe it supports your argument. The mechanism by which smoking causes e.g. lung cancer and the significant rate at which it does so is well understood. I'm not convinced the same can currently be said of alcohol. |
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jdr
lemmy.ml
jdr@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-07-28 |
Sure. Any driving you do increases your risk of death. But it's likely you need to drive for other reasons that reduce your risk of death (like buying food). Drinking is different because no one needs to drink.
Haha, ymmv but I find driving to be unnecessary |
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Dave
lemmy.nz
Dave@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-02 |
Haha, ymmv but I find driving to be unnecessary
Yes but this depends significantly on where you live. |
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GreyEyedGhost
piefed.ca
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-11-30 |
Did you read that paper? I don't believe it supports your argument. The mechanism by which smoking causes e.g. lung cancer and the significant rate at which it does so is well understood. I'm not convinced the same can currently be said of alcohol.
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airgapped
piefed.social
airgapped@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-29 |
Implied Causation #2: health insurance has a bearing on longer life |
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UltraGiGaGigantic
lemmy.ml
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-08-23 |
Implied Causation #2: health insurance has a bearing on longer life
Health insurance doesn't equal Healthcare |
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jdr
lemmy.ml
jdr@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-07-28 |
Yes but this depends significantly on where you live.
For sure, I'm very lucky to live where I do. |
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hyphen0175
lemmy.zip
hyphen0175@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-02-06 |
Implied Causation #2: health insurance has a bearing on longer life
Implied Causation #3: Health insurance isn’t effective at insuring health, thus the implied causation needs to be explicitly noted |
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trashboat
piefed.social
trashboat@piefed.social Joined: 2026-01-08 |
Shiiit for a second I thought that said “Implied Caucasian” |
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Rivalarrival
lemmy.today
Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayJoined: 2023-06-11 |
I am not American and where I live, wine is illegal (exceptions are there and loopholes too) so it is difficult for me to drink wine in my community and country.
The basic recipe for wine is grape juice, yeast, and time, and yeasts are everywhere. It's not hard to "accidentally" turn an opened bottle of grape juice into wine. |
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TranscendentalEmpire
lemmy.today
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-09 |
“Two to three jobs” is already a statement that in Europe would apply to basically no one, while it’s a common reality in US
Yeap, an unfortunate side effect of "Obamacare" mandating corporations provide coverage for full time employees was everyone cutting hours back to make sure no one was full time. Labour laws here are a joke. |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
No amount of alcohol is safe? Is that like saying no amount of driving is safe?
Yep. |
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myyass
lemmy.world
myyass@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
I think at that point it just varies too much by individual. Some people are completely fine with 6 hours a night. I am not one of those people.
I agree. Sitting my yass all day playing video games? Sure, 4-6 hours will be okay. Doing yard work and manual labor in 110 degree weather, I'll see you in 14 hours. Also, I have sleep apnea so I'm used to feeling dead all day. |
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TrumpetX
programming.dev
TrumpetX@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-11 |
All these comments are great, but the real mystery is: Why did someone overlay a different font on top of the original graphic rather than just make a whole new graphic? Like, the work is exactly the same, and the rest of us can view sane font placement. |
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myyass
lemmy.world
myyass@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
Well, the WHO puts it in the same category as tobacco. Is tobacco just strongly correlated to cancer? And I don't need to say it is causative, because The Lancet did. You can stack that data up against your anecdotes however you like.
I wonder if this is something that changed over time. As in preservatives and all sorts of chemicals being added to tobacco or alcohol. For example, I can smoke Japanese cigarettes without a problem. I've smoked Vietnam era MRE cigarettes, Old Ukrainian unfiltered cigarettes. But I can't smoke US made ones since around 2007, they make me sick and taste like ash. |
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PalmTreeIsBestTree
lemmy.world
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-27 |
Most horse people I know (me included) are BROKE because we choose to have horse(s) when we really shouldn't. Bad financial decisions for sure, but most horse people have a passion for the creatures and don't let things like finances get in the way. There have been days where I've skipped meals in order to buy my horse her supplements. Not many days, but a couple. My bond with horses is what ke...
Nice yee yee ass horse you got there |
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fodor
lemmy.zip
fodor@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
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Lemmine
feddit.org
Lemmine@feddit.org Joined: 2025-01-12 |
Most horse people I know (me included) are BROKE because we choose to have horse(s) when we really shouldn't. Bad financial decisions for sure, but most horse people have a passion for the creatures and don't let things like finances get in the way. There have been days where I've skipped meals in order to buy my horse her supplements. Not many days, but a couple. My bond with horses is what ke...
Oh hi Sandy |
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Lemmine
feddit.org
Lemmine@feddit.org Joined: 2025-01-12 |
what? they are fairly cheap for a nut. that's why they are so ubiquitous. walnut, pecan, pistachio, macademia... all more per lb. most other nuts cost more, excluding peanuts. almonds are about 5 dollars a lb raw, which is the price of cheap cuts of chicken, which is by far the cheapest meat on the market.
ActUalLy: peanuts, although having 'nuts' in their name, are botanically speaking legumes from the family fabaceae, like lentils or chickpeas. |
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Naive
lemmy.world
Naive@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-05-10 |
The crazy thing about wine is that it tastes wiiiiiiiiiiildly different based on the grape and process.
fermentation plays an important role in determining the taste i guess. |
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Naive
lemmy.world
Naive@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-05-10 |
Based
Well I don't think so cuz it is forced upon us, rather than our conscious choice. For rich, there is no problem though. They drink and party. These laws are implemented only on poor and middle class. |
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fake
sh.itjust.works
fake@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-06-19 |
All these comments are great, but the real mystery is: Why did someone overlay a different font on top of the original graphic rather than just make a whole new graphic? Like, the work is exactly the same, and the rest of us can view sane font placement.
Original probably said 'correlation' when it should be causation. The correlation is established in the headline. Apparently someone took that personally. |
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hansolo
lemmy.today
hansolo@lemmy.todayJoined: 2025-06-07 |
what? they are fairly cheap for a nut. that's why they are so ubiquitous. walnut, pecan, pistachio, macademia... all more per lb. most other nuts cost more, excluding peanuts. almonds are about 5 dollars a lb raw, which is the price of cheap cuts of chicken, which is by far the cheapest meat on the market.
Yeah, this isn't about comparing almonds vs. pistachios. This is about comparing almonds vs. hot cheetos and takis. Which, granted, are closer in price now, but when that study came out and was all over the news, it was just classism wrapped up as some health news. At the time even jerky was about the same price as almonds, and gas stations wouldn't ever carry almonds. Sunflower seeds, peanuts, corn nuts, jerky. |
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Naive
lemmy.world
Naive@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-05-10 |
They are varied. Red wines have more tannins than white, white wines come in different sweetness, with the less sweet ones described as dry If you wanted to try a red wine I would suggest starting on merlot I wouldn't recommend drinking an entire bottle in a day. Opened wine can be kept in the fridge for a few days
How do you know if a wine is expired? Will it get insects on it or what? |
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xav
programming.dev
xav@programming.dev Joined: 2023-08-27 |
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Depends on the country. |
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notabot
piefed.social
notabot@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-04 |
I always thought horses could murder someone because that's their idea of a good joke.
I'm not a horse person, but having been around several, my understanding is that horses don't joke about that sort of thing. They take it very seriously indeed. That, and, as the previous commenter said, get spooked by a rogue crisp packet, their own shadow, or the fact the sun has come up again. |
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FundMECFS
piefed.zip
FundMECFS@piefed.zipJoined: 2025-08-03 |
Original probably said 'correlation' when it should be causation. The correlation is established in the headline. Apparently someone took that personally.
That was exactly what I did lmfao. It was technically incorrect, so I made it technically correct lol. |
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