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prole lemmy.blahaj.zone prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#52 · Quote Reply

And the Hillbots and Khive Kritters who keep insisting that "not as bad as the fascist criminal but to the right of Reagan" is a good enough campaign strategy in a country with extreme voter suppression and right wing media gaslighting being many times more common than truthful political reporting 🙄

And the Hillbots and Khive Kritters

Bro, touch grass

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Bytemeister lemmy.world Bytemeister@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#53 · Quote Reply

Bombing kids, line goes up. Fuck over your friends, line goes up. Break laws and regulations, line goes up. Violently deport neighbors, line goes up. Dow Jones : 47,954.74USD -784.67(1.61%) Line ain't goin' up

Lines don't always go up, but a "good" executive can always make it look like it's going up.

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Bytemeister lemmy.world Bytemeister@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#54 · Quote Reply

Of all the bad things that social media has brought us, the worst is making stupid people feel intelligent because other stupid people agree with them. EDIT: I have seen your positive votes, thank you, I feel validated and it is clear that I am very intelligent

Behold, the smartest person on the internet.

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TerdFerguson lemmy.world TerdFerguson@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-24
#55 · Quote Reply

Exactly. I said they weren’t intelligent, and then you said “so if there are all these intelligent people…” Like, which intelligent people? Who are you talking about?

Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for both of you.

I mean, I can understand each of you pretty easily here, but neither one of you seems to be able to do that.

It's probably just emotions getting in the way, though, I suppose. Sometimes Reddit arguments happen on Lemmy.. wel, more often lately

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TerdFerguson lemmy.world TerdFerguson@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-24
#56 · Quote Reply

Of all the bad things that social media has brought us, the worst is making stupid people feel intelligent because other stupid people agree with them. EDIT: I have seen your positive votes, thank you, I feel validated and it is clear that I am very intelligent

Of all the bad things that social media has brought us, the worst is making stupid people feel intelligent because other stupid people agree with them.

-Abraham Lincoln

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Postmortal_Pop lemmy.world Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-30
#57 · Quote Reply

There are plenty of smart MAGA. Many have high paying jobs and degrees. This is because america overwhelmingly places money over anything else. Most of them just call it the economy but America has spent a lot of time teaching its citizens that if the number goes up then whatever is happening is good and moral. Bombing kids, line goes up. Fuck over your friends, line goes up. Break laws and reg...

Much like your point about line goes up, Americans are also taught that high pay and degree equal smart. At the same time know a high paying position can be gained through affiliation, decite, bribery or reputation and a degree can be gained by affiliation, decite, bribery, reputation, or simply being good at memorizing. All of those things can be accomplished by stupid people.

In example, Elon Musk is a ketamine addicted nazi who mails sperm to influencers and is also the richest person alive.

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jack_of_sandwich lemmy.sdf.org jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-06-12
#58 · (edited) Quote Reply

It really depends how much your wealth is tied into the "economy". Like I said, even average Americans will make excuses for immoral actions as long as they personally benefit in some way.

Average Americans aren't economicly benefiting from the Trump administration.

The Dow might be up, but probably would be doing better under Harris.

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Azzu lemmy.dbzer0.com Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-06-28
#59 · Quote Reply

Hating brown people is not the fault of the system.

It... Kinda is though? Obviously xenophobia is baked into human biology, true, but why people are not xenophobic is because they've been exposed to lots of different things/people by their parents/society. The reason you're not and I'm not is because we came in contact with lots of foreign things/people, so "our system" (meaning the immediate people around us that had the most impact on us) contributed to removing our natural xenophobia.

So essentially, other people, who did not learn to reduce their xenophobia, were "failed by the system". Because the system allowed their parents, neighbors, friends to not reduce their xenophobia, like it should have happened.

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abigscaryhobo lemmy.world abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#60 · Quote Reply

May as well rant about it here.

Whenever someone say about trump "But he's a good businessman!" As some sort of defense, I get immediately annoyed. He is an absolute garbage businessman. He has failed or run so many businesses into the ground. He made a casino go broke, you know the business that thrives on basically just letting people come in and throw their money at you and leave?

What he is good at is lining his own pockets. He goes into anything and lies, cheats, and schemes, then shovels as much money into his pockets as he can before someone notices and the bills come due. He makes deals with contractors, then refuses to pay, then drags them through courts until they give up and claims he got a discount. That's not "good business" that's theft. It's despicable and gross.

Every allegory we have for a corrupt, lying, thieving businessman is embodied in Trump. He is not good for business. He's good for himself until the business fails then he moves on to the next persons pile of money to steal.

And that's what he is doing as president. He is selling the country piece by piece to line his own pockets, then once everything goes belly up he'll take his money and walk away.

Fuck Trump.

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TankovayaDiviziya lemmy.world TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-22
#61 · Quote Reply

If undereducation was a natural resource the usa would be the world's top provider.

Not just USA, it's everywhere. I blame social media and the lack of literacy.

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abigscaryhobo lemmy.world abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#62 · Quote Reply

I've heard that he will soon release his taxes! It's under audit, you see. Give it two weeks

Ooh so that means forty more years of "two weeks" and then we get to bomb the taxes! Awesome!

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BarneyPiccolo lemmy.today BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-30
#63 · Quote Reply

There are plenty of smart MAGA. Many have high paying jobs and degrees. This is because america overwhelmingly places money over anything else. Most of them just call it the economy but America has spent a lot of time teaching its citizens that if the number goes up then whatever is happening is good and moral. Bombing kids, line goes up. Fuck over your friends, line goes up. Break laws and reg...

There is a big difference between Intelligence and Critical Thinking. Critical Thinking is how humans are supposed to think, but it takes training and practice to get really good at it. If you aren't introduced to Critical Thinking Skills at an early age, then you substitute a sort of chaotic thinking, that tries to connect dots between known data points, and extrapolates weird conclusions, instead of thinking through the evidence with proper Critical Thinking Skills.

That's how you end up with smart people who make dumb decisions. They have the intelligence to retain knowledge, etc. but if you can't think properly, then you can't apply that knowledge properly. Eventually you end up on a weird path, applying your intelligence to a poorly designed strategy.

Nothing helps citizens resist propaganda like Critical Thinking Skills, which is why Republicans have actively suppressed the teaching of Critical Thinking Skills in schools for decades, because that creates citizens who will listen to the Conservative Propaganda Machine without questioning it. That makes them easy to manipulate, which is the objective of every politician.

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abigscaryhobo lemmy.world abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#64 · Quote Reply

Maybe not in full, but he released more than I anticipated. I believed he wouldn’t release anything at all.

A murderer will still give you his fingerprints, but he won't show you where the body is buried. The "release" is purely a distraction tactic, he's already claiming he's "fully exonerated" even though nobody has said that and the files aren't fully released. He's covering his ass and he knows it.

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TrackinDaKraken lemmy.world DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-26
#65 · Quote Reply

There are plenty of smart MAGA. Many have high paying jobs and degrees. This is because america overwhelmingly places money over anything else. Most of them just call it the economy but America has spent a lot of time teaching its citizens that if the number goes up then whatever is happening is good and moral. Bombing kids, line goes up. Fuck over your friends, line goes up. Break laws and reg...

The few "smart" ones are going along for personal gain--they're in on it. The masses of MAGA, though, are literally stupid.

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TrackinDaKraken lemmy.world DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-26
#66 · Quote Reply

Sadly telling someone with baby brain that they are stupid and have a baby brain isn't going to help them change. Baby's don't learn like that. We need to sing them songs and make learning fun until they have a leap and want to learn more all by themselves. Also cutting their screen time to zero until their brains develop well into toddler brain is supposed to be super beneficial.

What they need is to feel the pain of their Dear Leader's choices. And, they are. That's why the administration is trying to take over the mid-term elections. They know they'll lose anything that looks like a fair election, small tweaks won't cut it.

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Quadhammer lemmy.world Quadhammer@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-11-09
#67 · Quote Reply

There are plenty of smart MAGA. Many have high paying jobs and degrees. This is because america overwhelmingly places money over anything else. Most of them just call it the economy but America has spent a lot of time teaching its citizens that if the number goes up then whatever is happening is good and moral. Bombing kids, line goes up. Fuck over your friends, line goes up. Break laws and reg...

The "smart ones" are doing the grifting

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InvalidName2 lemmy.zip InvalidName2@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-07-10
#68 · Quote Reply

I know several Trump voters this probably applies to.

During the run up to the last presidential election, they made comments along the lines of "I know who my life was better under" in the same conversation where I had to prove to them that Biden wasn't the president in 2020 -- a fact that I had to prove to them by showing them on "Google".

Attempts to draw the line from Republicans' and Trump's disastrous policies, such as the record setting deficit spending PRIOR to the COVID era, and state of the country as the Biden administration took over were met with the equivalent of "Golly Gee that's way over my head". Same thing with discussions about how the Trump administration's policies (for this term) would/could be a disaster for future generations (i.e. your grandchildren). It was met with statements like "it's too complicated for me to understand, all I can do is vote for what's best for me right now."

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Yerbouti sh.itjust.works Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-06-26
#69 · Quote Reply

Not just USA, it's everywhere. I blame social media and the lack of literacy.

Like, social media developped by american gafam?

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wampus lemmy.ca wampus@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-09
#70 · Quote Reply

May as well rant about it here. Whenever someone say about trump "But he's a good businessman!" As some sort of defense, I get immediately annoyed. He is an absolute garbage businessman. He has failed or run so many businesses into the ground. He made a casino go broke, you know the business that thrives on basically just letting people come in and throw their money at you and leave? What he is...

Slight counter thought on the 'business man' thing -- Trump's clearly done well for himself. Yes, his businesses all tended to fail, he was convicted of fraud, etc etc -- he made a stock market entry based solely on his brand name. His entire reputation is based on vapor.

But that's not much different than a lot of celebrities these days. They're also rich as fuck, with basically no real 'deliverables' to speak of in terms of productivity benefits for the broader community. It's practically the definition of an influencer.

Also consider the standard advice that young people get in regards to work/business -- that they should essentially constantly change jobs / jump around to try and ratchet up that salary. That sort of behaviour is inherently reducing their overall benefit/contribution to the businesses they work for, and is entirely about lining their own pockets.

Americans inherently tie having large sums of money, to being a good business person. It's not about productivity, sustainability or supplying a need / service or anything of that sort. So lining his own pockets, is him being a good business man by the American definition of what that means.

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NannerBanner literature.cafe NannerBanner@literature.cafe
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#71 · Quote Reply

Cubans for Trump

Aren't the 'cubans' a special case, seeing as they're the people who fled because they couldn't practice modern day slavery with money, have been living in america for more than a generation, and hate cuba?

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Jax sh.itjust.works Jax@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-08-22
#72 · Quote Reply

Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for both of you. I mean, I can understand each of you pretty easily here, but neither one of you seems to be able to do that. It's probably just emotions getting in the way, though, I suppose. Sometimes Reddit arguments happen on Lemmy.. wel, more often lately

Seriously, you've read this exchange and believe Soup has a reading comprehension issue?

Yeah, ok — you're right that Lemmy definitely has a lot of reddit-brained people.

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bitjunkie lemmy.world bitjunkie@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-06-19
#73 · Quote Reply

May as well rant about it here. Whenever someone say about trump "But he's a good businessman!" As some sort of defense, I get immediately annoyed. He is an absolute garbage businessman. He has failed or run so many businesses into the ground. He made a casino go broke, you know the business that thrives on basically just letting people come in and throw their money at you and leave? What he is...

That's not "good business" that's theft.

Implying capitalism is anything other than a bunch of fancy legalese to make mass theft sound legitimate

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Tja programming.dev Tja@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-12-18
#74 · Quote Reply

So the victims, in this case, are the people who voted for Trump? Yeah, nah.

Well, the leopards ate their faces too!

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Mniot programming.dev Mniot@programming.dev
Joined: 2025-03-10
#75 · Quote Reply

Slight counter thought on the 'business man' thing -- Trump's clearly done well for himself. Yes, his businesses all tended to fail, he was convicted of fraud, etc etc -- he made a stock market entry based solely on his brand name. His entire reputation is based on vapor. But that's not much different than a lot of celebrities these days. They're also rich as fuck, with basically no real 'deliv...

I think you're correct that this is how Americans define "good businessman". But there's some missing cognition when they then decide that he should run things.

"A 'good dream' is when you're in a dream and enjoy yourself. Freddy Kruger has many good dreams. Therefore, I hope Freddy is in my dream."

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village604 adultswim.fan village604@adultswim.fan
Joined: 2025-09-27
#76 · Quote Reply

May as well rant about it here. Whenever someone say about trump "But he's a good businessman!" As some sort of defense, I get immediately annoyed. He is an absolute garbage businessman. He has failed or run so many businesses into the ground. He made a casino go broke, you know the business that thrives on basically just letting people come in and throw their money at you and leave? What he is...

His casinos were just a money laundering operation for the Russians.

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wampus lemmy.ca wampus@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-09
#77 · Quote Reply

I think you're correct that this is how Americans define "good businessman". But there's some missing cognition when they then decide that he should run things. "A 'good dream' is when you're in a dream and enjoy yourself. Freddy Kruger has many good dreams. Therefore, I hope Freddy is in my dream."

Yeah, no argument here. Though I think that's been a societal norm in America for a very long time, and in many western/capitalist countries. People have value based on wealth, not on historic/potential benefit to the broader public.

I always think back to the time Gene Simmons from KISS had his reality show, like back in the 90s or something ancient like that. One of his asides, he basically says he wants to amass money, and he wants his kids to amass money, cause money is what demonstrates how much value you've added to the world. That sort of thinking, I reckon, is baked into Americans. So Trump, Elon and Thiel and them have billions/trillions of dollars, they've 'clearly' been the most positive forces in American life in recent decades, and are inherently 'good' business men. Regardless of how they made that money, or whether anything was delivered. It's flawed, but as noted, that sentiment's been around for decades.

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[object Object] lemmy.world SlurpingPus@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-11-03
#78 · Quote Reply

Aren't the 'cubans' a special case, seeing as they're the people who fled because they couldn't practice modern day slavery with money, have been living in america for more than a generation, and hate cuba?

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TwoBeeSan lemmy.world TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-05
#79 · Quote Reply

Mike birnigglia is a top tier shitpost name

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TheObviousSolution lemmy.ca TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-06-25
#80 · (edited) Quote Reply

May as well rant about it here. Whenever someone say about trump "But he's a good businessman!" As some sort of defense, I get immediately annoyed. He is an absolute garbage businessman. He has failed or run so many businesses into the ground. He made a casino go broke, you know the business that thrives on basically just letting people come in and throw their money at you and leave? What he is...

There's two major types of businessmen: Those that are good at business, and those that are good at scamming. MAGA cannot discern between the two. That's why a lot of his influencers peddle in obvious scam bait. And ever since meme stocks became a thing through social network engagement cults-on-demand, it doesn't matter how much they get scammed out and lose as long as they can do so communally on a communal circlejerk while claiming someone else is the real loser. Trump is the materialization of all the efforts to manipulate and profit from society that led up to him

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-04-10
#81 · Quote Reply

Sadly telling someone with baby brain that they are stupid and have a baby brain isn't going to help them change. Baby's don't learn like that. We need to sing them songs and make learning fun until they have a leap and want to learn more all by themselves. Also cutting their screen time to zero until their brains develop well into toddler brain is supposed to be super beneficial.

Don't worry, many of them will just be dieing sooner than expected, as a result of the policies they voted for resulting in cuts to social security, increases in property taxes and home insurance, skyrocketing healthcare costs, and thier 401ks and pensions poofing out of existence, again due to the people they keep voting for.

Whole lotta farmers are already pre-empting that!

What, am I supposed to have sympathy for these genocidal apocalyptic death cultists?

Fuck em.

Hope they die horribly, soon, quickly, alone, miserable, and confused.

Stupid is as stupid does.

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prole lemmy.blahaj.zone prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-06-11
#82 · Quote Reply

It... Kinda is though? Obviously xenophobia is baked into human biology, true, but why people are not xenophobic is because they've been exposed to lots of different things/people by their parents/society. The reason you're not and I'm not is because we came in contact with lots of foreign things/people, so "our system" (meaning the immediate people around us that had the most impact on us) con...

That doesn't absolve them of responsibility and make them a victim though

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FlyingCircus lemmy.world FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-08
#83 · Quote Reply

There's two major types of businessmen: Those that are good at business, and those that are good at scamming. MAGA cannot discern between the two. That's why a lot of his influencers peddle in obvious scam bait. And ever since meme stocks became a thing through social network engagement cults-on-demand, it doesn't matter how much they get scammed out and lose as long as they can do so communall...

Realistically, there is no difference between being good at business and being good at scamming. Both involve stealing, businessmen just steal from their employees instead of their customers.

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architect thelemmy.club architect@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2025-09-04
#84 · Quote Reply

Slight counter thought on the 'business man' thing -- Trump's clearly done well for himself. Yes, his businesses all tended to fail, he was convicted of fraud, etc etc -- he made a stock market entry based solely on his brand name. His entire reputation is based on vapor. But that's not much different than a lot of celebrities these days. They're also rich as fuck, with basically no real 'deliv...

This is a hard pill to swallow even for the people against him.

But when it comes to the state of America, we are all to blame.

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architect thelemmy.club architect@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2025-09-04
#85 · Quote Reply

Yeah, no argument here. Though I think that's been a societal norm in America for a very long time, and in many western/capitalist countries. People have value based on wealth, not on historic/potential benefit to the broader public. I always think back to the time Gene Simmons from KISS had his reality show, like back in the 90s or something ancient like that. One of his asides, he basically s...

Elon and Peter are not Americans. Like not in any way culturally or physically are they American.

Elon is a fucking illegal on top of it.

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architect thelemmy.club architect@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2025-09-04
#86 · Quote Reply

If undereducation was a natural resource the usa would be the world's top provider.

As bad as this country is you really think that? Truly? There are countries that don’t have proper plumbing and don’t give a fuck about having that “luxury”. Countries that chop clits off babies so they will never enjoy what life has to offer. These kinds of comments make you people seem stupid and racist.

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tabarnaski sh.itjust.works tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-27
#87 · Quote Reply

There are plenty of smart MAGA. Many have high paying jobs and degrees. This is because america overwhelmingly places money over anything else. Most of them just call it the economy but America has spent a lot of time teaching its citizens that if the number goes up then whatever is happening is good and moral. Bombing kids, line goes up. Fuck over your friends, line goes up. Break laws and reg...

I agree with you, but you must know that a high paying job and a degree aren't reliable indicators of intelligence.

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Jack lemmy.ca Jack@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-06-12
#88 · Quote Reply

  1. wouldn't start more wars,
  2. bring on more debt, and
  3. release the Epstein files.

Does the "wouldn't" apply to 1 and 2, and not 3? If so then a "wouldn't" should be added before "bring".

Also, 3 is partial.

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Alwaysnownevernotme lemmy.world Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-13
#89 · Quote Reply

Realistically, there is no difference between being good at business and being good at scamming. Both involve stealing, businessmen just steal from their employees instead of their customers.

Or scamming your subsidiaries, Scamming your investors, scamming the government etc

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Furbag lemmy.world Furbag@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#90 · Quote Reply

May as well rant about it here. Whenever someone say about trump "But he's a good businessman!" As some sort of defense, I get immediately annoyed. He is an absolute garbage businessman. He has failed or run so many businesses into the ground. He made a casino go broke, you know the business that thrives on basically just letting people come in and throw their money at you and leave? What he is...

Long before Trump was in politics, the thing most people knew him for was not his business acumen, but that he was essentially the physical avatar of avarice and greed and everything wrong with capitalism. He was not an aspirational role model, he was a caricature of the negative stereotypes embodied by the average American businessmen, everything dialed up to 11, including his contempt for the common laborer.

He was well hated before getting into politics, and it had nothing to do with his political opinions at the time.

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rose56 lemmy.zip roserose56@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-09-17
#91 · Quote Reply

The truth, amen!

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1984 lemmy.today 1984@lemmy.today
Joined: 2023-07-28
#92 · (edited) Quote Reply

Assuming the American election is not fixed.

I have doubts its a fair election.

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Nell lemmy.blahaj.zone aciddev@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-02-10
#93 · Quote Reply

wouldn't start more wars, bring on more debt, and release the Epstein files. Does the "wouldn't" apply to 1 and 2, and not 3? If so then a "wouldn't" should be added before "bring". Also, 3 is partial.

🤓☝️☝️

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wampus lemmy.ca wampus@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-09
#94 · Quote Reply

Elon and Peter are not Americans. Like not in any way culturally or physically are they American. Elon is a fucking illegal on top of it.

So Elon allegedly became an American citizen in 2002. He immigrated, sure, and seemingly spent 10 years as an illegal, but he's as American as any other immigrant that America's taken in -- you can't realistically say he isn't, unless you want to expand the anti-immigrant rhetoric coming out of the current administration. Peter Thiel's been an American since he was 1 year old, and was naturalised I guess. So similar story on that front.

Point there being that if you want to make a case that they aren't Americans, you'd need to accept the current administration's take that immigrants aren't Americans. Which seems un-American historically (I mean, statue of liberty quotes and all...).

However at the same time, Americans, in the eyes of the current administration, are white protestant sorts. Like how they're kicking out "immigrants", but generally haven't been deporting the absurd number of Canadians who immigrated south, because the Canadian immigrants are generally white protestant sorts (even if non practicing, the same sort of work ethic). To accept the current administration's take on immigrants, you need to be a white nationalist, like Jack Posobiec and the Trump administration that lauds him.

And to reject the current administrations take on immigrants, you'd need to accept that Musk and Thiel are American.

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
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#95 · Quote Reply

May as well rant about it here. Whenever someone say about trump "But he's a good businessman!" As some sort of defense, I get immediately annoyed. He is an absolute garbage businessman. He has failed or run so many businesses into the ground. He made a casino go broke, you know the business that thrives on basically just letting people come in and throw their money at you and leave? What he is...

This is all really the fault of The Apprentice, who made him seem as if he were some kind of business genius.

Trump was decent at making himself seem like he was a good businessman. But, all his self-promotion had to compete with all his failures. Eventually he would have run out of money to self-promote.

Then the people behind The Apprentice came along and did everything in their power to make him seem like he was the best businessman in the world, and idiots bought it. People watched a fictional reality TV show where contestants had to do silly "businessey" things, and somehow they concluded that the guy at the boardroom table set was actually good at business, rather than competent at acting.

This barely competent idiot who had inherited / stolen half a billion from his father and was slowly burning through it with his various failures had worked his entire life to try to create a myth that he was a genius businessman. That attempt had almost failed as he ran out of money. Then the guy who made Survivor came along and made his dreams come true. Finally, he was on TV all the time playing the character of a shrewd businessman, and somehow getting paid for it. This show lasted a decade, and by the end of it, idiots were convinced that Trump was a business genius, and the rest is history.

Oh, and incidentally, Mark Burnett, the guy who created The Apprentice, is now "United States Special Envoy for the United Kingdom", appointed on Trump's inauguration day in 2025.

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
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#96 · Quote Reply

Slight counter thought on the 'business man' thing -- Trump's clearly done well for himself. Yes, his businesses all tended to fail, he was convicted of fraud, etc etc -- he made a stock market entry based solely on his brand name. His entire reputation is based on vapor. But that's not much different than a lot of celebrities these days. They're also rich as fuck, with basically no real 'deliv...

Trump's clearly done well for himself

No he hasn't. If he'd just kept the money he stole / inherited from his dad and retired, he'd have come out ahead. The timeline diverges when he manages to get elected and starts being able to funnel billions to himself. But, until then, his story was mostly about self-promotion and failing at business.

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100_kg_90_de_belin feddit.it 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it
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#97 · Quote Reply

This is all really the fault of The Apprentice, who made him seem as if he were some kind of business genius. Trump was decent at making himself seem like he was a good businessman. But, all his self-promotion had to compete with all his failures. Eventually he would have run out of money to self-promote. Then the people behind The Apprentice came along and did everything in their power to make...

I mean, Berlusconi got rich thanks to his mafia connection, so it kinda seems like making lots of money somehow involves utter disregard for human life.

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cub Gucci lemmy.today vivalapivo@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-15
#98 · Quote Reply

Read it just before Trump ordered bombing Cuba

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wampus lemmy.ca wampus@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-09
#99 · Quote Reply

Trump's clearly done well for himself No he hasn't. If he'd just kept the money he stole / inherited from his dad and retired, he'd have come out ahead. The timeline diverges when he manages to get elected and starts being able to funnel billions to himself. But, until then, his story was mostly about self-promotion and failing at business.

His stock market name brand did well. The apprentice did well, and was arguably the launchpad for his presidency. He's owned his Mar-a-lago mansion since 1985.

He seemingly spent his time travelling between his gaudy mansions and a child sex island in a warm climate where he raped people with zero accountability due to his prestige. That sort of freedom / luxury / depravity is not something afforded to the normies.

Even if built on bullshit, his life hasn't been one of failures in regards to his personal urges and lifestyle. Compared to 'commoner' Americans, he's rich and successful. And that he was able to get away with it, we can use an American quote: "Don't hate the playa, hate the game" (Ice T). To succeed via corruption and gaming the system, is as American as apple pie.

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Brave Little Hitachi Wand feddit.uk yakko@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-01-08
#100 · Quote Reply

Assuming the American election is not fixed. I have doubts its a fair election.

You should. Even if everything about the elections was exactly as advertised, it's still an unfair election. Citizens United, lobbyists, gerrymandering, voter suppression tactics, party controlled primaries, and FPTP voting are inherently and deliberately unfair.

Then there are the (currently unproven) allegations that Musk may have done something sneaky with voting machines, not to mention the fact that the Dems ran with an unpopular, no-primary "take it or leave it" non-progressive uninspiring candidate at the last minute, seemingly losing on purpose.

Biden promised to be a single term president, and if he hasn't lied about that, we wouldn't be in Iran right now.

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Yerbouti sh.itjust.works Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-06-26
#101 · (edited) Quote Reply

As bad as this country is you really think that? Truly? There are countries that don’t have proper plumbing and don’t give a fuck about having that “luxury”. Countries that chop clits off babies so they will never enjoy what life has to offer. These kinds of comments make you people seem stupid and racist.

Typical american who never left his country comment lol.

Your country:

  • run by literal nazi pedophiles,
  • 3 americans alone owns 800+ billions while 50% of the population owns less then 86 b.
  • life expectancy in the US ranks 60, under countries like Kuwait, Albania, Slovenia
  • no universal healthcare
  • gun violence is the leading cause of child death

So you might want to rethink " they will never enjoy what life has to offer" , while most of your citizens don't have the "luxury" to not die before 79.
And btw, "stupid and racist" is litteraly the first thing that comes to mind to anyone when thinking about "you people".

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