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LadyButterfly she/her
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gjoel
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#2 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Isn't that usually how infestations work though?

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judgy_jackdaw
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#3 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

then what does ever infest anything

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Zaphod
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#4 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Isn't that usually how infestations work though?

Aren't infestations about something that wasn't there before and doesn't actually belong there?

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AngryCommieKender
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#5 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

then what does ever infest anything

Bedbugs, human habitations.

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Mouselemming
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#6 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Isn't that usually how infestations work though?

Humans infest shark habitats. You don't see sharks coming into your gated community, do you?

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gjoel
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#7 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Humans infest shark habitats. You don't see sharks coming into your gated community, do you?

No, sharks rarely infest gated communities. The point was that infestations usually consist of animals that live in the place they are undesired.

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gjoel
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#8 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Aren't infestations about something that wasn't there before and doesn't actually belong there?

But live there though.

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Viking_Hippie
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#9 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Humans infest shark habitats. You don't see sharks coming into your gated community, do you?

Would be a rad way to thin out the herd of xenophobic rich people, though đŸ€”

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SnoopSqueak
lemmy.today

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#10 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

No, sharks rarely infest gated communities. The point was that infestations usually consist of animals that live in the place they are undesired.

No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats.

For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did.

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RobotToaster
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#11 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

I'm taking this far too seriously for a meme, but I already looked it up out of curiosity so ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

To inhabit a place in unpleasantly large numbers; to plague, harass.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/infest

Interestingly (at least to me) it looks like it's related to "manifest'.

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gjoel
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#12 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats. For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did.

That's a different point though. If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true.

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Ignotum
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#13 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

I'm taking this far too seriously for a meme, but I already looked it up out of curiosity so ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ To inhabit a place in unpleasantly large numbers; to plague, harass. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/infest Interestingly (at least to me) it looks like it's related to "manifest'.

Ah so i can say "human infested planet" then

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TRock
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#14 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Ah so i can say "human infested planet" then

Yep

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bobo
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#15 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats. For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did.

For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did.

Do you imagine the various indigenous populations of Americas popped out of the ground like mushrooms? They're pretty far from their "natural habitat" in the plains of sub-saharan Africa... Or is that too far back in history and their "natural habitat" is in Siberia and Polynesia?

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quediuspayu
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#16 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Aren't infestations about something that wasn't there before and doesn't actually belong there?

No, it is about their presence being wanted or not. I don't want to go to a swamp because is infested with mosquitoes for example, mosquitoes were always there.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infestation
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infest

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rumba
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#17 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

infest
verb
in·​fest in-ˈfest
infested; infesting; infests
Synonyms of infest
transitive verb

1
: to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner
shark-infested waters

2
: to live in or on as a parasite

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elucubra
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#18 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

infest verb in·​fest in-ˈfest infested; infesting; infests Synonyms of infest transitive verb 1 : to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner shark-infested waters 2 : to live in or on as a parasite

Oktober-fest;

1 : to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner buxom-waitress-in traditional-dress infested waters

2 : to live in or on as a completely smashed parasite

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Godric
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#19 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

infest verb in·​fest in-ˈfest infested; infesting; infests Synonyms of infest transitive verb 1 : to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner shark-infested waters 2 : to live in or on as a parasite

Shut up! Termites just live there!

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Godric
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#20 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Oktober-fest; 1 : to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner buxom-waitress-in traditional-dress infested waters 2 : to live in or on as a completely smashed parasite

Shut up! Germans just live there!

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im_fine_sandy
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#21 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Actually marinas like the one pictured or "canal estates" often create environments that become "infested" with pests and predators. Some of which for example contain bull sharks in plague proportions. Yes sharks live in the ocean but anyone living next to a canal teaming with them would conclude that there is an "investation".

Bull sharks are unique in that they can somehow retain salt from ocean / salt / brackish water which allows them to operate in fresh water. They're also more aggressive than other species, or perhaps just more likely to grab at movement in murky river water.

I remember watching a documentary suggesting that bull shark attacks might have been the inspiration for the Jaws series, after a spate of attacks in estuaries in the US in the years prior.

Jeremy Wade on River Monsters TV series also had an episode about them.

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Danarchy
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#22 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

This is why festivals are called that all teeming with wretched humans and their various parasites

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Rothe
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#23 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

No, it is about their presence being wanted or not. I don't want to go to a swamp because is infested with mosquitoes for example, mosquitoes were always there. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infestation https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/infest

We are aware of the dictionary definition. OP was precisely about arguing that that definition is a based on a fallacy.

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ChickenLadyLovesLife
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#24 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Shut up! Germans just live there!

Yeah, it's just their lebensraum, nothing to be concerned about at all.

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Uli
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#25 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Ah so i can say "human infested planet" then

"Welcome to my me-infested home."

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anon_8675309
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#26 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

This is why festivals are called that all teeming with wretched humans and their various parasites

Infest-ivals?

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SpaceScotsman
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#27 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Human infested cities. Cat infested cafés. Cattle infested farms.

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quediuspayu
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#28 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

We are aware of the dictionary definition. OP was precisely about arguing that that definition is a based on a fallacy.

Where is the fallacy?

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Midnitte
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#29 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

We also kill millions of sharks per year, while they're responsible for maybe 10 human deaths per year (worldwide).

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Peppycito
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#30 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

I'm taking this far too seriously for a meme, but I already looked it up out of curiosity so ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ To inhabit a place in unpleasantly large numbers; to plague, harass. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/infest Interestingly (at least to me) it looks like it's related to "manifest'.

Puts a new spin on Manifest Destiny.

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hansolo
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#31 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Bro, the way I'm infesting my pants right now...

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Natanael
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#32 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

No, sharks rarely infest gated communities. The point was that infestations usually consist of animals that live in the place they are undesired.

A zoo is a gated community

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sun_is_ra
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#33 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Human infested cities. Cat infested cafés. Cattle infested farms.

Humans infested every place including oceans honestly

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BossDj
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#34 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Where is the fallacy?

Present where they are unwanted, but often used to describe their natural habitat.

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SnoopSqueak
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#35 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did. Do you imagine the various indigenous populations of Americas popped out of the ground like mushrooms? They're pretty far from their "natural habitat" in the plains of sub-saharan Africa... Or is that too far back in history and their "natural habitat" is in Siberia and Polynesia?

It's not that they came from nowhere, but rather that they aren't pests. Invaders slaughtered them and colonized the country, and in modern times are actively destroying ecosystems and the environment.

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SnoopSqueak
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#36 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

That's a different point though. If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true.

If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true.

But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which can be damaging because it frames disrupting the ecosystem as some kind of defensive act.

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Lushed_Lungfish
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#37 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Humans infested every place including oceans honestly

Humans are a disease. You are a cancer on this planet.

Edit: Are we so old, you and I, that no one else gets the Matrix ref?

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Mouselemming
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#38 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats. For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did.

Yes the white folks came and made a mess of the place. Which, if sharks chose to move into your house, they would also do. Probably leave the taps running all over the place too

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Mouselemming
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#39 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

If you have a termite infestation, you might say that they're invasive to the house and it's not their natural element. However you might also say that they live there, which is equally true. But the post is about sharks in the ocean. It is their natural habitat, they live there, but because they're sometimes inconvenient to humans, humans sometimes use the phrase "shark-infested waters", which...

And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse.

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Mouselemming
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#40 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

A zoo is a gated community

Valid point. Although that's without their consent, whereas most humans infesting the ocean are choosing to remain there, USS Abraham Lincoln sailors notwithstanding.

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MajorMajormajormajor
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#41 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Yeah, it's just their lebensraum, nothing to be concerned about at all.

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SnoopSqueak
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#42 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

And my point was it's the humans that don't belong and cause damage and yet there have been humans infesting the oceans since time immemorial and it's only getting worse.

Right, I agree with you. I was responding to gjoel's comments.

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MajorMajormajormajor
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#43 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Puts a new spin on Manifest Destiny.

One man's infestation is another man's colonisation.

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MajorMajormajormajor
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#44 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

A zoo is a gated community

Damn snobbish animals living in gated communities.

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gjoel
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#45 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

No, the point is that indigenous populations are not infesting their own natural habitats. For example, "Native Americans" did not "infest" the United States. White people did.

So the right phrasing would be "no, it's their natural habitat", not "no, they live there", since, and this was my point if you go back, if an animal infests something it usually lives there, making the point in the post redundant.

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gjoel
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#46 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

A zoo is a gated community

And sharks regularly infest zoos?

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quediuspayu
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#47 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Present where they are unwanted, but often used to describe their natural habitat.

I see. The word infested has nothing to do with being their natural habitats or not, it means that there's plenty of an animal we don't want for whatever reason, otherwise we would say that it is rich in those animals.

Edit: Oh, second I see. The fallacy is that they are using a wrong definition that is creeping into a common use of the word not yet in the dictionary.

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Natanael
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#48 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

And sharks regularly infest zoos?

Wouldn't you if you were a shark? It's a whole smörgÄsbord

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johnyreeferseed
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#49 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Actually marinas like the one pictured or "canal estates" often create environments that become "infested" with pests and predators. Some of which for example contain bull sharks in plague proportions. Yes sharks live in the ocean but anyone living next to a canal teaming with them would conclude that there is an "investation". Bull sharks are unique in that they can somehow retain salt from oc...

I just watched a movie last week where these people where exploring a freshwater cave and then became trapped by a shark. I thought it was some stupid movie detail, didn't know it might actually be possible.

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BenLeMan
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#50 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Humans are a disease. You are a cancer on this planet. Edit: Are we so old, you and I, that no one else gets the Matrix ref?

Calm down there, AI clanker.

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rizzothesmall
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#51 Posted:   Subject: Re: Valid point Quote Reply

Not like this Palestinian infested west bank!

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