They also provide a better user experience. Combined with a home charger, even the low end EVs are a better overall drive than a class up ICE vehicle. After owning EVs for a couple of years, I realized I can feel the engine when I ride in an ICE vehicle.

And that's 2025. I'm sure 2026 will be an even bigger difference.

The increase in petrol prices has a lot to do with war, and I think we should recognise the cost of this to people just like us in Ukraine and Iran.

More reason to do it. After all the second and third largest oil exporters have started wars, which then raise the oil price. That is a horrible incentive. However going to EVs weakens their global position.

I've been repeating this ever since the first 2026 Iran war when prices started to go up.

In Australia, the average commute in a petrol car costs $125 per week in petrol. To get an EV on a loan costs $85 in repayments per week and $10 of energy per week.

It is literally cheaper to give an ICE car away and take a loan to buy an EV than to continue to drive the ICE car.

As a EV driver, all the money you save on gas, save it for tires.

Drive responsibly and don't get fooled by marketing. Your EV is not more expensive on tires than a gas car or SUV.

"But but but! Who cares about the present! Electricity cost will go up too sometime in the future! So buy gas now! Yaargh!!!"

– typical O&G promoter.

The only thing that is still way too expensive is the insurance, which can get up to 1000€ for some vehicles.

Including gas vehicles and you know it. Premiums are based on statistics for car model, driver, location, and never on powertrain.

Here's something looked up for one of the cars i was considering, Hyundai Ioniq 5 insurance cost is around 2000€ a year in Germany.

https://www.autokostencheck.de/Hyundai/Hyundai-Ioniq/Ioniq-5/ioniq-5-ne_49608/versicherung-typklassen/

For a Hyundai Ioniq 1st gen in Canada, insurance is less than $2000 CAD. I don't have to look it up. I've been paying between $1000 and $2000 CAD forever no matter what car I've had. I buy an EV i can afford, not the year's model with more bells and whistles than i care to know about. And I don't buy gasoline, which save me another $1000 or more.

And did you factor in the cost of electricity?

depreciation? did you know that EV's have a high depreciation, so if budget is a concern, you should be looking at second hand cars instead of of new ones? look it up!

Oh my god!

Hyundai Kona 2021 136 ps, 18900€ and insurance costs around a thousand euros, don't even know what my electricity bill would look like, if you don't think that's a bit expensive then i envy your income.

My main point will always be that the insurance is too expensive.

you feel that painful buzz on your tongue with a 9V battery? you don't feel that drinking gasoline!

Tires last longer if you don't drive like a cunt.

Teslas, because they are unfixable.

No one steals EVs. Try insuring a Lexus SUV -2X everything else.

Ioniq 5 in Canada: $68K. 3 years later, $28K.
EVs are cheap used.

Well good for you that your experience with replacing a gas car with a EV car doesn't cost you more in tires. That's not my experience and not the experience of others and yes I spend a more on tires than the ICE car, not SUV, car that I replaced with the same driving habits.

EVs are slightly heavier than visually similarly sized ICE vehicles. They also tend to have significantly higher torque from a stopped position, so those who like to mash the throttle with a heavier foot might experience much faster wear than they're used to.

But drive it like normal and they should basically still last 90% as long as tires on a similarly specced ICE vehicle.

Life last longer if you don't talk like a cunt.

The experience of others is the same as mine. Tires are worn down by high acceleration and weight, not electricity. That means your driving habits and the weight of your vehicle. Now go drive safely.

I went from a V8 mustang to the model 3 so they're fairly close to the same weight class, model 3 still weights a bit more, and similar type of acceleration and course my driving is going to be the same in both. I went from 40 -45K miles between tire changes to 25K -30K between changes with similar Pirelli tires and a early "EV rated" tires, which were more expensive than even the Pirelli's.

That's been my experience with my EV so far but even with the tires, it's still better than ICE for the most part.

No one was saying it's about electricity causing tires to wear down faster there sherlock.

That's my favourite statistic of the year.

You bought expensive "EV" tires, and they wore out early and you bought the same shit again. They saw you coming.

And you're here online literally claiming it's because it's an EV, and you're getting mad at someone for pointing out that it's weight and acceleration, not electricity that wears out tyres.

And you bought a WankPanzerMobile.

The V8 Mustang weighs between 3500lbs-4000lbs and the Tesla Model 3 weighs between 3500lbs-4000lbs.

You either got a heavier model, or you use that electric acceleration more, or you bought gimmicky tires that wear out faster based on some marketing that clearly fooled you into thinking that magically the driving force behind the wheels turning somehow changes the physics between a car, it's tyres and the road.

You should be ashamed that you're repeating this marketing crap on the internet, and you should go to a different tyre stop and take your wife with you out someone else who won't fall for the marketing bullshit.

You were duped. Buy less gimmicky tires. It's a car, and electricity isn't magic even if it feels like it is.

Wow, you fell for the marketing "EV" tyres and then when the expensive gimmick tyres didn't last you let the salesman convince you it was the electric motor that did it!

Love my EV. Most fun to drive car I've ever been in, bar none.

This must be why we only have $45,000+ (60k AUD) EVs available in the US. Especially since they the Republican morons canceled the tax rebates because they were too woke.

Edit: it may not have been clear that I’m stuck with shitty used ice options in a much dumber country than Australia.

I went with the "EV rated" tires because at that point I was willing to try something different after having two sets of tires that lasted less than 25K out of a 50K rated tire that lasted 15K longer on a similar car and surprisingly that "EV rated" tire did last a bit longer than the stock or Perilli's even though the ride was not great.

Jesus fucking christ, apparently people in this sub have no reading comprehension skills and like to just piss on anything that's not in praise of everything EV with strawman arguments.

Sigh, one last reply before I block you and the rest of this community.

the 2008 V8 manual Mustang's rated curb weight is 3,483 and the 2018 Model 3 LR is at 3,891, again as my other post stated, they're roughly equivalent, M3 a bit more and again, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE between the two is that tires that were equivalent Pirelli non "EV Rated" and with equivalent driving styles, the EV just did not last as long and that increased the cost FOR TIRES.

Nowhere did I state you should by "gimmicky" tires as you say and endorsing them, that's you making a straw man argument.

Fuck, I've forgotten how Internet EV owners on the internet can be absolutely insufferable.

You can't have it both ways. Either the tyres are worse or the weight is more or your driving has more acceleration than it used to be with your gas guzzler.

I'm calling bullshit on it being anything other than tyres, weight and/or driving style. That delicious electric acceleration is a delight from the off, as I know very well, and I'd be sceptical indeed if someone who previously chose a V8 Mustang claimed that they didn't indulge in it a lot.

Now that your EV is giving you so much razz, your tyres are wearing out more. If you want to save money on tyres, put it in whatever economy mode it has and go gently away from the lights. Or have the fun and but new tyres more. But don't blame the car for giving you the acceleration you enjoy, and don't blame the electricity for wearing out the tyres!

It's the extra weight or the extra acceleration or the different tyres. It can't be the electricity, as you admitted elsewhere.

Put it in eco mode, drive less aggressively, get a lighter car or buy harder tyres, or of you don't want that, then buy tyres more frequently because you adore the acceleration. (I sure do.) And you're still saving on pollution and money over a fossil fuel car.

But I don't go through tyres like you do and I don't completion about my car letting me zoom to my heart's content.

It's possible to drive an EV calmly and enjoy the smooth efficiency, which is another thing I like to do.

new EVs are definitely overpriced, but secondhand ones, for the brave, are an excellent option. Ask me how I know 😁

This site has a database of EVs for sale in Australia - currently the cheapest is BYD Atto 1 at $23,990. For comparison, the cheapest ICE car to buy new is Kia Picanto Sport manual at $19,190 (Edit: or MG 3 Vibe auto at $20,990 if you can't drive a manual transmission).

This is so interesting. I'm a slow and cautious EV driver with an older 1T Minicab-MiEV which runs light truck tyres. My hoon friends look aghast and would never drive such a dinky car. It weighs less than half a standard ICE ute. But I've been told my tyres need changing after only around 20k-30k km. Minicabs do have tiny tyres and I do more highway than city driving, so that is likely part of the equation, but it could be that there really is something more to this that EVs run through tyres faster, and not just because of weight. Which sucks as particulates in the environment are often from tyre wear 😞

Counterpoint, id7 is roughly in line with ICE in Germany but you can get thg quota and the rest of the ownership is cheaper

Oh if the US ever allows BYD to sell here it’s going to be as a rebadged Chevy or Ford. Like in the 80s with econo cars and mini trucks.

But I suspect that won’t happen until all the boomer money finally runs out and car sales fully stop.

Yeah I’ve never bought a new car, and the way EV batteries are holding up, a used one is definitely in my future.

Too bad they haven’t figured out the issue with the Ionics yet. That’s the one that I’d like I think.

Found the american !

Donald Trump has instigated the dumbest way to get the world to end its dependency on oil. I sleep well knowing, like the covid vaccine, he can't brag about it.

Dat 1 pedal drive on roads with a bunch of turns is something else

I’ve just got an EV for my wife to replace her diesel Freelander.

We charge for 8p/kWh. She’s used 124kW to do just over 500 miles, so it’s cost £9.94

In the Freelander is would be about 73l @ £1.90ish a L so would cost around £138

Obviously I have to pay the cost of the lease, but the fuel difference will almost cover that, and the lease covers everything. Insurance, tyres, maintenance etc.

EVs don’t necessarily fit every use case but my wife is a mobile hairdresser and does a lot local driving, it definitely makes sense for her.

Tires, wipers, and wiper fluid. the only maintenance I have done in 70k miles on my volvo.

I found the stock tires on mine underperformed the michelins I replaced them with.

Oh yeah! The joy of the open road is so much greater with that smooth and powerful responsiveness.

And one pedal electric driving is a dream in traffic! I used to hate my commute and all the switching between first and second in slow moving queues. Now I glide effortlessly. Takes all the hassle out of it.

Some manufacturers made a software gear change simulation. Idiots! Just press the pedal when you want to go faster! It doesn't need the delay, ceremony and sponginess of petrol and diesel!

Seeing the difference between the EVs during test driving was so interesting. My EV was the first new car I am fortunate enough to own. I got it as a fuck you to big oil. This was in 2021 and a 2022 volvo. The math on the gas cost is basically broken by this war. I was able to get the $7k rebate and a under inflation loan rate. Listening to science can pay dividends folks.

That's the high end sports version, I have the base model and it's fast enough insurance ~£600

Yeah, it's a bit weird. Some manufacturers don't like change and think their customers want an EV to nostalgically underperform like the internal combustion engine. The Nissan was smooth, instantly responsive and powerful but another brand was weirdly grainy, and spongy like diesel off the line and like petrol on the motorway. Hopefully they got better now, but they have a bad record for security so I don't think I'll test drive another one when I get to that stage, but it doesn't make financial sense to go test driving now when I already have a car I love to pieces.