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redjard
reddthat.com
Redjard@reddthat.comJoined: 2023-08-06 |
Even without hibernation, data in apps you have open will end up in the swap if your system is ever RAM-constrained.
Generally it only happens to programs you keep running in the background and might not use for a long time that also don't have much background activity. For example password managers. |
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redjard
reddthat.com
Redjard@reddthat.comJoined: 2023-08-06 |
Nope, I hibernate with a swap file and it's in a LUKS partition. Although IIRC that whole setup requires me to use systemd boot.
I do the same and use ugrd. I think dracut would also work. |
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redjard
reddthat.com
Redjard@reddthat.comJoined: 2023-08-06 |
It's doable with a swap file instead. But some filesystems are more supportive than others. For example BTRFS doesn't support swapfiles over multiple devices (so my raid1c3 spanning 3 differently sized disks for example) and also swapfiles must be completely pre-allocated. And no matter the filesystem you need to manually tell the kernel device and physical offset for the file via kernel parame...
btrfs's handling makes sense. The kernel talks to the disk directly, the file is just a pointer for what range it uses, and a placeholder for the filesystem. Something like raid, balancing, cow, all won't work because the kernel doesn't even go through btrfs to change the swap"file". |
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Fizz
lemmy.nz
Fizz@lemmy.nzJoined: 2023-06-12 |
I used to be this guy. We have huge amount of memory in our storage server. Why would we need swap? Well, once the system started killing programs I read up on swap and how the system handles its caches, especially ZFS ARC. Short version is that while the system can evict its caches syncronously, it can only async notify ZFS that it should also shrink its caches, but the out-of-memory killer wi...
As well as oom situations, swapping allows the memory to be used more effectively by swapping out anonymous pages that aren't likely to be used but can't be dropped. |
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redjard
reddthat.com
Redjard@reddthat.comJoined: 2023-08-06 |
I don't use hibernation so I'm not sure.
So you shut your pc down like a caveman when you do hardware upgrades or repairs or move apartments? |
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rumschlumpel
feddit.org
rumschlumpel@feddit.org Joined: 2024-06-23 |
I don't recall that, but IIRC it does need to be a minimum of installed RAM if you want to be able to hibernate, since then you write out the contents of your memory to swap. That makes having at least as much swap as RAM a good rule of thumb for many systems. IIRC kernel crash dumps also make use of swap in a similar way, though I assume that in most sane scenarios, it's not going to actually ...
IF RAM used + swap used don't exceed total swap space. Yeah, sometimes I run into that. Solved by killing webbrowsers, which suggests that most of the swap space is filled with unused webpages... |
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glibg10b
lemmy.zip
glibg10b@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-02-05 |
swapfile gang
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redjard
reddthat.com
Redjard@reddthat.comJoined: 2023-08-06 |
browsers offload inactive tabs from memory anyway, unless you're actively switching among 15+ tabs, they won't be using as much ram
what if you never restart the browser though? |
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michaelmrose
lemmy.world
michaelmrose@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-23 |
Shit did I botch it? I made this on my phone and the toot I copied the script from was just text. Wanted to make it look more interesting so I found this site that let you make the windows. I just went with what I thought looked best.
Is this tongue in cheek i swear I cannot tell any longer. Some swap is beneficial |
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cannedtuna
lemmy.world
cannedtuna@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
Is this tongue in cheek i swear I cannot tell any longer. Some swap is beneficial
It’s based on a common meme template. Yeah it’s tongue in cheek and I guess a lot of commenters can’t tell given this is a memes comm |
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SaharaMaleikuhm
feddit.org
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-23 |
I init a ramdisk and put a swap file there and call it L4 cache
64 GB are $1000 so maybe not |
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dan
upvote.au
dan@upvote.auJoined: 2023-06-14 |
So you shut your pc down like a caveman when you do hardware upgrades or repairs or move apartments?
Yeah I shut down every day. It boots up fast enough that it's really not an issue. |
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dan
upvote.au
dan@upvote.auJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Generally it only happens to programs you keep running in the background and might not use for a long time that also don't have much background activity. For example password managers.
It depends on what you set your swappiness to, too. I think Linux distros still have pretty aggressive defaults that swap more than they probably need to. |
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onipa
feddit.org
onipa@feddit.org Joined: 2025-07-22 |
swapfile gang .rw------- root root 4.0 GB Mon Jun 1 04:10:37 2026 /var/swap
Do you hibernate? 🐻 |
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Grandwolf319
sh.itjust.works
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
And here I am using swap for my self hosted services, some of which use ridiculous amount of ram. |
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topperharlie
lemmy.world
topperharlie@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
Everyone defending swap like crazy in the comments... so let me give a counter argument specifically for desktop: Many years ago I stopped using swap on all my computers (I exclusively use linux) and the reason is: every time anything regarding interactivity went to swap, my system would freeze and literally become unusable for a really long time until I killed something. Since I got tired if that behaviour I decided I prefer for random shit to die but my computer still be usable. It wasn't very often, but I don't get OOM killer often either (as in I don't remember the last time it happened and I use linux every day for both work and fun), and the freezing situation was way more annoying, to the point I sometimes ended up cold switching off the computer. I'm surprised on how many people run out of memory constantly. I guess you all are just using linux for servers and have crazy processing of infinite data... |
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boonhet
lemmy.zip
boonhet@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-08-12 Banned |
Everyone defending swap like crazy in the comments... so let me give a counter argument specifically for desktop: Many years ago I stopped using swap on all my computers (I exclusively use linux) and the reason is: every time anything regarding interactivity went to swap, my system would freeze and literally become unusable for a really long time until I killed something. Since I got tired if t...
Were you using a HDD for swap? It's nearly unnoticeable on an NVMe drive. |
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topperharlie
lemmy.world
topperharlie@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
Were you using a HDD for swap? It's nearly unnoticeable on an NVMe drive.
yep it was HDD, but with the low amount of times I have any OOM issue, I'm way more worried about NVMe flash burning than a random process being killed once every blue moon. In fact I didn't mention, but since the advent of flash drives what I've done is trying to locate heavy disk writing apps and find alternatives for them, amid disabling many logs. For swap, it hunts me to think some automatic process I don't have control over will burn those sweet erase cycles without me noticing just because someone programmed it poorly. I'm way more happy knowing I have some control over it. |
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onlinepersona
programming.dev
onlinepersona@programming.dev Joined: 2023-09-01 |
"I'm not a friggin bear, I don't hibernate!" |
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Axolotl
feddit.it
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.itJoined: 2025-10-10 |
My built-in Devil's Advocate has to ask if that's really true? Have you got a citation newer than 2 decades old? Frankly, i find it difficult to believe that anyone wouldn't like to use electron software, for the simple reason that making your SSD suffer is fun. Edit: in 30 years of administering Linux and (previously) Solaris sytems i've never once had to change HDDs or SSDs, so claims of torture are, i opine, exaggerated. i'll also claim that keeping electron software out of the filesystem is not good for your hygiene. |
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whyNotSquirrel
sh.itjust.works
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-10 |
what is using so much ram? |
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danielfm123
lemmy.zip
danielfm123@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-07-12 |
Swap and zram saved my R and Python Dana analysis script a couple of times. |
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glibg10b
lemmy.zip
glibg10b@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-02-05 |
Do you hibernate? 🐻
No, I have a 13-second boot time |
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18107
aussie.zone
18107@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-04 |
what is using so much ram?
Trying to ray-trace a 512,000x256,000 image using Chunky. I had to split it into 16 parts to reduce the RAM to a sane amount (in 2018, it may have been optimised since). I was trying to find the limit for a single png, and I think I found it. |
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j3tt
lemmy.world
j3tt@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-08-01 |
I used to be this guy. We have huge amount of memory in our storage server. Why would we need swap? Well, once the system started killing programs I read up on swap and how the system handles its caches, especially ZFS ARC. Short version is that while the system can evict its caches syncronously, it can only async notify ZFS that it should also shrink its caches, but the out-of-memory killer wi...
I sometimes cannot do hibernate when I did a scrub on my ZFS. But the first try always frees up the swap and so the second attempts works every time. |
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j3tt
lemmy.world
j3tt@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-08-01 |
what if you never restart the browser though?
I close my browser before hibernating; more lifetime for my SSD that way and it is faster, too. |
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j3tt
lemmy.world
j3tt@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-08-01 |
I don't recall that, but IIRC it does need to be a minimum of installed RAM if you want to be able to hibernate, since then you write out the contents of your memory to swap. That makes having at least as much swap as RAM a good rule of thumb for many systems. IIRC kernel crash dumps also make use of swap in a similar way, though I assume that in most sane scenarios, it's not going to actually ...
I use 1.5-2x the swap on new installations these days. I want hibernate to always work. |
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Klajan
lemmy.zip
Klajan@lemmy.zipJoined: 2023-10-02 |
I use 1.5-2x the swap on new installations these days. I want hibernate to always work.
I use the same, but I think to be super conservative It should be 1.5x + VRAM |
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fuck_u_spez_in_particular
lemmy.world
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-24 |
what is using so much ram?
16GB are my usual breakfast, I'll fill that quickly after booting... I'm happy that I got 64GB, though even that is often used up, thus I sometimes wish for 128Gb though (and for running somewhat capable local LLMs 512GB would be even better...). Bottomline: ypu can basically never have enough RAM... |
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CommanderCloon
lemmy.ml
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-31 |
Shit did I botch it? I made this on my phone and the toot I copied the script from was just text. Wanted to make it look more interesting so I found this site that let you make the windows. I just went with what I thought looked best.
That makes it funnier ngl |
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tal
lemmy.today
tal@lemmy.todayJoined: 2023-10-04 |
Trying to ray-trace a 512,000x256,000 image using Chunky. I had to split it into 16 parts to reduce the RAM to a sane amount (in 2018, it may have been optimised since). I was trying to find the limit for a single png, and I think I found it.
I'd guess that there are probably utilities to export the world file to POV-Ray or Blender or something. They might be able to scale better. |
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TheRagingGeek
lemmy.world
TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
My built-in Devil's Advocate has to ask if that's really true? Have you got a citation newer than 2 decades old? Frankly, i find it difficult to believe that anyone wouldn't like to use electron software, for the simple reason that making your SSD suffer is fun. Edit: in 30 years of administering Linux and (previously) Solaris sytems i've never once had to change HDDs or SSDs, so claims of tort...
That’s some really great luck you have, over the 15 years or so I have been running my Linux server I have had to replace the SSD twice(likely due to gentoo and compiling everything all the time) and had 2 hdds in my raid cluster need replacement. Here’s hoping my NAS has your luck |
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Axolotl
feddit.it
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.itJoined: 2025-10-10 |
That’s some really great luck you have, over the 15 years or so I have been running my Linux server I have had to replace the SSD twice(likely due to gentoo and compiling everything all the time) and had 2 hdds in my raid cluster need replacement. Here’s hoping my NAS has your luck
To be clear: what i wrote is not actually something real, it was a joke i made by modifying a comment from a thread on github gist, i am actually surprised it wad credible enough that someone would reply seriously xD https://gist.github.com/joshenders/c4960cec9c63a7b7d68ffa9543356c43 |
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grrgyle
slrpnk.net
grrgyle@slrpnk.netJoined: 2024-03-18 |
My built-in Devil's Advocate has to ask if that's really true? Have you got a citation newer than 2 decades old? Frankly, i find it difficult to believe that anyone wouldn't like to use electron software, for the simple reason that making your SSD suffer is fun. Edit: in 30 years of administering Linux and (previously) Solaris sytems i've never once had to change HDDs or SSDs, so claims of tort...
I manage a cluster that makes heavy use of SSDs in RAID10 configuration. Those things are constantly degrading and having to be swapped out. I've started a drawer of faulted drives that I don't have the heart you throw out. |
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grrgyle
slrpnk.net
grrgyle@slrpnk.netJoined: 2024-03-18 |
No, I have a 13-second boot time
Bah, 56 seconds ought to be enough for anyone |
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grrgyle
slrpnk.net
grrgyle@slrpnk.netJoined: 2024-03-18 |
I used to be this guy. We have huge amount of memory in our storage server. Why would we need swap? Well, once the system started killing programs I read up on swap and how the system handles its caches, especially ZFS ARC. Short version is that while the system can evict its caches syncronously, it can only async notify ZFS that it should also shrink its caches, but the out-of-memory killer wi...
I found that with swap the applications would slow to a crawl and then basically lock up entirely until I hauled my ass over and manually power cycled the machine. |
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diaphragmwp
discuss.tchncs.de
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2026-06-03 |
Once tortured myself with having to go through... The Android build system. Booo, scary. I only wanted a LineageOS boot image built. The recommended specs list 64GiB RAM. Figured wouldn't apply to me until I tried to build a target literally called "nothing". It just used up all of the RAM and OOMed about 2 minutes in, building the "build cache" or whatever the fuck it needs to do to "warm up". After a few fucktons of swapspace, turning off some of my daemons, some sysctl fuckery (there were options for limiting process virtual memory size IIRC? I put it all the way up) and After about half an hour of the build system build systeming, it just stopped doing that then built the kernel in 4 minutes with everything else in some time too. Yes, I have tried just running make directly. That just resulted in an image that did nothing but toggle on and off an empty (no percentage) charging circle via power button. |
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InnerScientist
lemmy.world
InnerScientist@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
"Unresizeable block device at end of disk" Classically the swap partition was located at the physical middle of the drive so that on average, no matter where the heads where, the swap partition wasn't far away
Also "unresizeable" as if you can't just swapoff and just delete and recreated it anywhere (update the path in fstab) and then swapon again. |
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RustyNova
lemmy.world
RustyNova@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-11-24 |
I don't really need swap until I need to compile blender... Need somewhere around 64Gb (with compression) to deal with the peaks |
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provectus
lemmy.ml
provectus@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-04-23 |
Dunno how well zswap handles at that size, but the point is that is compresses swap into RAM, so it would use a max of 819.2M for a total of 2457.6M of swap space. If you need more, then by all means, use a swap file or partition lol. Actually linux easily supports multiple and tiered swap mounts, so you could even go zswap + ssd swap + hdd swap, or a cheapo "burn at your own risk" usb flash swap lol.
That is pretty cool. Did not know that. Will still be keeping my partition because it works fine for me. |
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JackbyDev
programming.dev
JackbyDev@programming.devJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Is this tongue in cheek i swear I cannot tell any longer. Some swap is beneficial
Like a lot of memes, they exaggerate for humor. This meme was originally about math. |
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JamesBoeing737MAX
sopuli.xyz
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2024-09-04 |
Everyone defending swap like crazy in the comments... so let me give a counter argument specifically for desktop: Many years ago I stopped using swap on all my computers (I exclusively use linux) and the reason is: every time anything regarding interactivity went to swap, my system would freeze and literally become unusable for a really long time until I killed something. Since I got tired if t...
Or shotcut. I once ran it on 8GB, minimal arch with no swap. Well. And I'm not even trying to build android on my new relatively modern laptop. It won't work. |
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TheRagingGeek
lemmy.world
TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
To be clear: what i wrote is not actually something real, it was a joke i made by modifying a comment from a thread on github gist, i am actually surprised it wad credible enough that someone would reply seriously xD https://gist.github.com/joshenders/c4960cec9c63a7b7d68ffa9543356c43
Definitely bit the onion on this one, it did seem remarkable lol though I just pulled a 16 year old drive out of my Son’s PC(that was technically still working however slowly) hence the semi plausibility on my end lol |
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MonkderVierte
lemmy.zip
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-05-30 |
My built-in Devil's Advocate has to ask if that's really true? Have you got a citation newer than 2 decades old? Frankly, i find it difficult to believe that anyone wouldn't like to use electron software, for the simple reason that making your SSD suffer is fun. Edit: in 30 years of administering Linux and (previously) Solaris sytems i've never once had to change HDDs or SSDs, so claims of tort...
Also, while Linux does run without Swap, it's like running gears without grease. |
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Axolotl
feddit.it
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.itJoined: 2025-10-10 |
Definitely bit the onion on this one, it did seem remarkable lol though I just pulled a 16 year old drive out of my Son’s PC(that was technically still working however slowly) hence the semi plausibility on my end lol
lmao, 16 years is a lot! That drive can drive |
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devfuuu
lemmy.world
devfuuu@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-17 |
Don't you need swap partitions to be able to use hibernation?
Been using a swap file in a luks partition for years. I hibernate very regularly. |
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mazzilius_marsti
lemmy.world
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-07-15 |
unfortunately with S0ix being forced on all modern laptops, zram is the only logical choice. With s3 sleep at least i can say i need swap because i need hibernation...With S0ix? Dont bother. |
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tired_n_bored
lemmy.world
tired_n_bored@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-08 |
Can anyone tell me why I see swap usage with 10+GB of free RAM available? |
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Mwa
thelemmy.club
Mwa@thelemmy.clubJoined: 2024-06-27 |
SWAP RAM is useful for hibernation mode and fall back ram incase you have low memory. |
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droans
lemmy.world
droans@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-21 |
Can anyone tell me why I see swap usage with 10+GB of free RAM available?
Because you just taught your computer how to be lazy. "oH lOoK aT mE i'M sWaP mEmOrY" |
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