I find gnome easier to customize, something always messes up with kde for me when setting up my ui, gnome also lets you use your computer and watch videos while customizing, kde plasma takes over your screen and you cant see your windows.

Well done. I read that in Ron Howard's voice.

I don't get tiling window or desktop stuff but hyprland 🤤

on my normal desktop I use the flavor of the day DE, gnome is only used on my 40 inch touchscreen, because its the only one I could imagine being good on a touchscreen

We don't, except for when gnome is installed by default.

Kde is so ugly and buggy, requiring tons of setup n knowhow to fix.

Surely you confuse Plasma and Gnome. To get a sane setup on Gnome, you need to install Refine to enable the minimize button and then install Gnome Extension Manager and enable Dash to Panel or Dash to Dock.

That's an insane amount of setup work for someone who doesn't know about those things.

yet seem incapable of understanding that people could have preferences different from their own.

Perfect description of Gnome developers.

I'm happy I'm not the only one to experience KDE like that. I've had far better experiences with XFCE than with KDE, but I keep going back to GNOME because of the user experience. I'm happy people enjoy KDE though, so I don't generally feel a strong need to trash it online. But my god can the user base be insufferable at times.

You seem to have a really balanced point of view and that's good. I wanted to like KDE but on the other hand it reads as windows 2000 to my eyes and it bothers me. I did like some things about the interface but overall it felt too busy for me. I hadn't tried it in years until the recent plasma update and people raving about it and its customizability convinced me to give it another shot. One of the first things I did was try to customize the top bar and task bar to be cleaner. It crashed several times very quickly. That's a really bad first impression. The bugs I experienced immediately were as many as I'd seen in years of GNOME experience.

In a perfect world though, yes, GNOME would be more customizable, particularly the overview mode. I do not like it at all. On the other hand, it's not so bad I wouldn't just live with it if I didn't have other options. I do though. To launch any app not common enough to put on my dock, I use ulauncher. It's not the best but it usually works well as an alfred-style launcher app.

I hated macs until OSX and since then I've hated windows more. Just mentioning because I'm sure someone will read what I've written and think I'm a Mac guy. Which was true for a bit but I've grown to dislike macs a lot as well. Their OS is still better than windows though!

why in the fuck is it pronounced guhnome

It's not. There is no vowel between G and N. Watch an episode or two of Star Trek and listen to some Klingon or Vulkan names to learn how such a combination of letters is pronounced without adding a vowel.

Oh yes, I forgot about that time they tracked down and kidnapped KDE contributors never to be heard of again, depriving the poor FOSS community from their freedom of choice.

Gnome has one great purpose and that is for tablets.

Doesn't work well on tablets, though.

Yeah, a part of me wants to vent my frustration with kde since I truly wanted it to be good, but it wasn't, ime.

Now for some reason I just had an idea. It would be pretty awesome if there could be a desktop layout standard configuration format such that on any DE that supports it, you could just load up a config file and get a very similar UI on any DE. I know, it's a pipe dream but it would be cool.

Edit: and yes I know, GNOME haters. GNOME devs would be the first to reject this idea.

The Gnome 2 days 👍

After Gnome shit the bed with Gnome 3 and beyond, MATE continued everything great about 2 and continues its legacy.

Going to Refine instead of the age old Gnome Tweaks is an interesting way to tell how long someone has been familiar with Gnome.

That being said if you use Gnome how they want you to, you don't need those extensions.

That way isn't for everyone as it's very different from what many used to but when you do get used to it those extensions will feel unnecessary

To match GNU

I like gnome too. Its simple and works. The only extension I use is a weather widget.
People who need a million extensions are going against the grain of the design.

I'm pretty sure you can live without the minimize button. I've used Gnome for 3 years and I've never felt the need to minimize a window. Even now after I switched to KDE Plasma a few days ago, I still don't minimize windows.

This but for me it is KDE.

...if you want

For the max/min buttons you can just turn them on in gnome tweaks

Cinnamon is pretty solid. I can't wait for Wayland support.

KDE is way less buggy than it used to be. I still prefer gnome but I don't mind KDE from s stability perspective.

Been using GNOME since ~ 3.8/3.10 (so i guess a while now) and out of the box it mostly just works for me. I have maybe 3-4 extensions none of which I desperately rely on (although TopIcons is clutch) and I agree with most design choices.
I've thought about switching some times but I think all I would do is try to replicate my GNOME workflow elswhere so why bother?

It’s not expect for the few times I ever talk about desktop environments with people IRL

What? No… that is wrong.

I'm not sure if there is a way to actually do thus unfortunately

It is personal preference

Honesty I use the terminal for most things

I don't pronounce it that way

lmfao gonna pass on the homework, teach

As both a Cinnamon and KDE user, you can tell you're using an app made for Gnome because it either outright doesn't do anything, or it does the barest least nuanced most stereotypical version of that thing. Oh great, another empty fuckpuke window that doesn't respect the system theme with an empty hamburger menu and one button in the very top-left that says "Do Something".

I don't know of a package manager with a GTK filter.

So today I made a VM of Debian that has all the DE’s as a matter of experiment to try them all out back to back to get an idea of what each one feels like. And right out of the gate gnome feels, a bit too abstract? You don’t get the sense that one screen is the default homescreen over another.

It looks nice but it feels weirdly organised. (Which I’m sure I could get used too, but you know preferences)

Guh-NU

Gnome is very competently made except it's made for a different genre of person to me, and their attitude towards customisation is outright disdainful. You install an extension or mess around in tweaks and gnome looks at you like you just used the salad fork for seafood.

I think it's made for people who like Macs or sth.

Wouldn't be a problem(people can use whatever makes them happy) if the gnome Devs shit attitude didn't trickle outwards and harm customizability in other environments.

Worked great on my old surface, though the surface for linux kernel definitely helps that

"How dare someone have a preference different than me"

Seriously though, I don't get the gnome hate circle jerk. It isn't for everyone but works well for some.

People always rave about dash to panel/dock and I just... don't get it?

Genuinely though, what is the purpose of the taskbar except to potentially you with notifications and take up valuable screen estate?

If I need to switch apps, I'm either opening the overview/mission control, switching workspaces, or the app is already on the screen for multitasking purposes.

Even on macOS I set the dock to autohide, and near exclusively just use swipe gestures, keyboard shortcuts, or spotlight.

But alas, maybe it's just one of those things that just not for me.

Lmao imagine taking that seriously

Oh this argument is just a meme and I'm here to enjoy that. But also KDE > Gnome, no question.

Gnome is the reason it took me so long to like Linux for daily driving, because it was the default DE on the distros I was trying. Thank goodness for Fedora+KDE Plasma. If someone else likes it, good for them - I like that they are using Linux.

It's extremely important we voice our opinion on bad design so that their decisions don't become mainstream or standard.

GNOME has been a dumpster fire since 3 and the developers only care about what will result in the least amount of work for them. They think they're as good as Apple, where they can be the sole authority on how their DE is used, but then they make incredibly stupid decisions like dictating where users can put the dock. Their design team is nowhere near the level of Apple and they should stop pretending otherwise.

I genuinely hope history remembers the GNOME desktop as "it was good, and then they started making some really stupid decisions!"

And that's why they're so out of touch.

I hopped from a fully customized AwesomeWM install on Arch to Gnome on Debian and... there is something to be said about having your OS look & work cleanly out of the box.

GNOME was so great... Then GNOME 3 came out and it feels like it's been designed by a person with severe brain damage.

I don’t like it when people pronounce it with a hard G

Yeah I agree. GNOME 3 is hideous, completely unusable. I don't know why they had to ruin the perfection of GNOME 2.

Why would they ruin their very good software with so many stupid decisions?

Yes, GNOME 3+ is completely unusable. It looks like it's been designed for a tablet.

Plus, I can't stand client side window decorations.