!fedilytics@piefed.zip

Hacker news generally flags and shuts down posts critical of tech bros, capitalism, or the right wing.

Lobste.rs is a better alternative to HN.

I wouldn't say that. Conservatism, at its core, is about preserving a specific way of life, while liberalism is about finding a balance between a laissez faire form of governance and having an ordered society. They aren't congruent in terms of political policy.

Oxymoron the pimple cream for idiots!

Are you ready to get banned? Because that kind of talk will get you banned once they hold the reins.

You're getting banned! And you're getting banned! And you're getting banned!

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I've got you tagged as "aggressive responder" so maybe the mods had a point?

We don't want that kind of stuff here. Those people aren't welcome. There are plenty of nice people we can welcome instead.

Liberalism is a conservative ideology. Conservative meaning maintaining the status quo, which liberalism does for economic, foreign, and social policy

Edit: down vote all you want but it is true. The last time liberalism was progressive was when the divine right of kings was law of the land.

Political ideologies can broadly be categorized as reactionary (supports a real or perceived status quo ante), conservative (supports maintenance of status quo), and progressive (supports developing new systems). There are the axes of social views, economic views, etc that we apply these to. The major political parties in the US are centered around variants of liberalism, the ideology of individual rights and private property, which is focused on the status quo of imperialism, discriminatory social hierarchies, and capitalism. There are those who think these systems don't go far enough in their repression, especially but not exclusively within the GOP. They are reactionaries. Progressive ideologies only find any foothold on the very fringes of the DNC, but they are fighting against the policies and institutions of the party itself, not really influencing it fundamentally.

my kindergarten teachers used to send to the principle's office for 'asking too many questions'.

turns out a lot of people get really mad when question what they say and 100% believe them at their word... and even angrier when they can't articulate what they mean with any specificity beyond empty buzzwords.

Lemmy is full of wannabe intellectuals that have no idea what they are talking about and yea, they think it's 'aggressive' when you call them out on their bullshit takes, and supremely angry when you point out how deeply hypocritical they are. and their reply is usually 'go kill yourself'.

I checked just now and it's still the same slop as when I abandoned it.

• Eating disorder family dinner rage bait
• Office food stealing rage bait
• "Karen" screaming at a fast food joint employees (food theme today it seems)
• E-bike driving badly rage bait
• Would you take $5 million for a minor inconvenience
• Peter explain this simple but controversial joke I already understand but want to post as a question for more engagement
• Ex lover rage bait
• Thinly veiled normal activity misrepresented as creepy rage bait
• Family drama rage bait
• Petrol prices rant
• What's a job that seems x but is actually y

Feels like I haven't missed anything at all

this made me laugh, from despair, but laugh nonetheless.

at least in real life I have the foresight to leave the premises when those folks show up to the party.

online I'm too optimistic to think people won't actively misconstrue everything I type into an absurd parody of what I actually said. Only on the internet if I say "i dated a 14 year old when I was 15" am I told that makes me a pedophile and I'm promoting pedophilia, but apparently that's how people think today.

One of us!
One of us!

Once AI starts stealing from us you'll know we've arrived.

Wait until they start paying the mods (which I've heard is in the works), who are already insufferable assholes.

Endless nostaglia, "remember this?" posts

To be fair every political sub, and even the news subs, ban anyone who doesn't conform to the echo chamber.

Someone start it on the ML Lemmy :D

I can count the number of mature arguments I've had on reddit on one hand. I frequently compliment the other person for being so decent.

Reddit is full of left leaning subs.

Leaving Reddit wasn't easy. I read the tea leaves and left at apigate.

I had already eschewed Youtube API and was keeping Facebook out of arms length,

I poked around Bluesky for a while, it had a very strong pull.

I do not need machine-fed unlimited social media and news I don't thrive on it. Doomscrolling is not a good hobby.

Either way. I'm here until the end or a rebound. The internet is dead and what I replace decentralised internet with is nothing, I'll just go offline permanently when it comes to social media.

So, here's hoping for a rebound cuz I'm having fun.

Moderation should be done with a light hand.

The big problem is I have no idea what feds are out there since it is all distributed so it feels like you are wandering in a dead mall sometimes.

I wonder what it says about social media that a news aggregator started in 2007 whose minimalist interface hasn't changed much since then and which is operated by a venture capital firm to shovel ads for their own investments is literally peak social media for a certain demographic. Like, maybe that's all that's really needed. There should be a news aggregator for people who like cars or for people who like knitting or whatever and they should all look and behave just like Hacker News. A car company just needs to start one of these and do good moderation. Bingo. Social media is solved. Go home. It's over. All the ideas since then? Microblogging? ActivityPub? Subreddits/communities? Apps? It's all unneeded.

Reddit is working hard on fediverese success

Yea, reddit has been a serious habit for me for almost 20 years, never been on Insta or Facebook or any other SM platform like I was on reddit, everyday all day in the background. Its been a hard one to break.

Person below is using an incorrect understanding of liberalism too (economic).

When I say liberal, I'm referring to the political philosophy of liberalism, which is rooted in individualism and capital, and emerged through the cisheteropatriarchal and white supremacist system of settler-colonialism. People perceive of this as meaning "progressive" or "freedom" because much of the early rhetoric surrounding liberalism (such as the early republican era in the Americas) involved a claim to moral righteousness under the guise of individual freedoms. Liberalism is the philosophy of capitalism as an economic system (which the other commenter here misidentified as liberalism), but it would be distortive to not recognize the specificities of either respectively.

Since liberalism has been the proponent of capitalism and EuroAmerican imperialism for the past couple centuries, it has developed a durability through the appropriation and subsequent assimilation of potentially challenging political movements; such as those based in social justice. Consequently, liberals have effectively coopted the language of equality and progress as natural elements of its politics, despite it consistently disarming and presently continues its genocidal campaign against vulnerable groups.

Conservatism is less a cohesive set of politics than it is the rhetoric of liberals with grievances about the failure of the system to deliver the privilege they feel entitled to, and which this system does assure them. So, a conservative liberal may vaugely subscribe to the notion of "anti-racism" but will inevitably subscribe to racist values that are more consistent with the imperatives of a white supremacist system than they are challenging of it.

Most people in Europe and North America subscribe to liberalism. Most liberals lack a level of political literacy to identify how they subscribe to it, and many mistake themselves as "leftists" or non-liberal "conservatives," even though their values are actually closely aligned. Since I genuinely do not subscribe to liberalism, many liberals on Lemmy self-report when they take issue with some genuine anti-racism, or any anti-bigotry in general when it doesn't align with their comfort level (most of which have been Canadians or Euros who feel free to openly express these views with the confidence that they're "better than Americans").

You're talking about behaviours, i'm talking about structures. The structure of the fediverse, gives users the option to disengage, find their own spaces.

No one admin has control over this thing, no one mod controls a whole subject. They at best can control a popular community on that subject. They piss people off, people can find another server, another mod very easily. They can even import all their old data with fedibridge, i've bever tried that though.

Take world news as the subject.

The fragmetation of multiple world news communities across multiple servers is good. Think of each of those world news communities and their mods as bringing a certain framing to the subject, their own biases even. Then you can equate them to the world news sections of different newspapers.

In the old days you had The Atlantic, The Tribune, The Sun, The New York Times, etc. Now we have c/worldnews.beehaw, c/worldnews.lemmyworld, c/worldnews.aussiezone, and a plethora of others, with comparatively low barriers to entry than news papers.

Yes the base articles are often the same, but the comment threads are different, and the base articles selected are different. So the articles being the same is not really too different from The Atlantic buying in from a news provider like Reuters.

Liberalism is a right-wing ideology. Completely capitalist and authoritarian. It's a major source of overt fascism.

See also the graph for PieFed, which shows 7K MAUs.

Not that I care about PieFed.... But all of those graphs are going up.

but it can’t handle discussions that adults wants to have

We already had the discussion on "immigration" and "undesirables" and other right-wing dogwhistles in the 1940s. Didn't end too well for them. The problem is, we have forgotten the ancient texts.

the problem is people confused moderation with their personal opinions and feelings.

they can't separate the two concepts out, and they act emotionally, and hypocritically.

i cracked a joke once about a popular tourist destination, and got banned from the sub I posted it in... because the mod just visited said destination... basically because I 'hurt their feelings'. and they openly admitted to it when I asked why... and the other mods all agreed it was a perfectly fine reason to temp ban me for a 'bad attitude'.

that was 2019. and things only got more insane/worse in that sub and every other sub. got banned a few times in my local city sub for... supporting the mayor that I liked. reason my comments were removed 'they were sexist/racist' and I was like 'how can supporting a non-white female mayor be sexist and racist?' and banned...

and well, the world has followed suite. nothing makes sense anymore, and everything is twisted and misconstrued by insane people and other insane people believe them and anyone who tries to point out is demonized as 'the enemy'. folks don't even pretend anymore to care about objectivity or truth, and if they are ever referenced they are now no longer ideals to guide us, they are 'oppressive tools of the colonialist patriarchy' for the leftists, or 'destroying traditional values' by the rightoids.

Ancient texts about...?

People will obviously have opinions about immigration

Nothing is stopping you from making a community and then banning people until it is sufficiently echo-chambered for you. ML or Hexbear might even welcome you.

I personally know several expats living in Sweden. I'm pretty aware of both sides of the discussion. From the outside, it comes off mostly tone-deaf, but with some real points around failing to integrate immigrants. There's also a significant amount of FUD and interference trolling, riling people up.

For people living in Sweden, it's a hotbed of controversy as the places you consider safe are changing around you.

Would anti-immigraition accepted in open arms in lemmy general social forums? Absolutely not.

But if you want your own echo chamber, there are places that would allow it.

I know. :)

Was that a response to me? I definently don't want to own the discussions. I just said people want to discuss it and Lemmy is not a good place for it.

People will discuss it on reddit. It's fine. :)

About Sweden, yes it's a "hotbed" to say the least, the same as in Europe overall. Its not popular with massive immigration but since we can't discuss that here, let's not.

A little power corrupts a lot.

That’s already a massive problem that brings down instances all the time.

Pretty much. Not everyone is like this, but most people are petty tyrants to themselves, and extend that to others.

It's always shocked me how many people... can't self regulate without threat of abuse or punishment, and they project that into the world. Whether it be religion or the government, or whatever. Which tells you a lot about who they really are deep down. And often is how abusive people justify their behaviors. "I wouldn't hit you if you didn't make me do it." type of shit.

Maybe they aren't going anywhere. Just dumping social media. I find Lemmy a lot less toxic than reddit but it's still basically a reddit hive mind.

They're not going to learn about it because most people who join the fediverse end up leaving and they don't recruit anyone else.

The Overton window would be moved by people being exposed to far left ideas and finding them more reasonable than expected. But the community does a very poor job of doing that currently.

I don't quite agree. The people that leave silently (the overwhelimingly large majority) don't leave as an active decision, but rather fail to come back because there isn't enough interest (or nagging notifications).

And for people to realize their overton window is scewed to the right it is sufficient to be exposed to left wing ideas, no need to find them reasonable. The regular existence of these ideas in discourse is sufficient.

Personally I think with ai crawlers, instances are coming up with their own ways of combatting the issue and the trackers are getting stuck in the crossfire. I have a few fediverse servers so some show up, some dont depending on the tracker.

the only discussion about immigration should be "If you don't like immigrants, then stop supporting foreign policies that make their countries of origin shitholes, so they don't want to leave in the first place."

Oh no! but that might mean BROWN PEOPLE have (GASP!) "agency!!!" (Clutches pearls and faints)

web-scraping is. however, ai companies pretending to be yet another instance and getting the data through federation does not cause much of a slow-down, since that's what happens with other instances already anyways.

The dorks that work at LLM companies are simply too stupid to do that.

just because you lean left it doesn't mean you are left. It means your ass is still squarely in the center. Being "Leftist" is to have the tacit understanding that the far right means to eradicate progressive thought by any means necessary, and that any threats of violence from "our" side are spoken from a place of self defence. The right does not want "discussion" to lead to compromise, they want it to lead to compliance. Besides, we've "been having the discussion" since the 1970's and as every hostage negotiator knows: if you keep them talking, they aren't acting. It's a stalling tactic.

people don't stay because reddit exists and that's where the eyeballs are.

i think we need better federation with mastodon. at least, mastodon users should be able to see lemmy content and interact with it. (i can understand that the reverse, i.e. seeing mastodon content from lemmy is technically challenging)

that would give more exposure and interaction.

also not federating with mastodon would mean to break the promise of the fediverse, that it's all (somewhat) compatible.

just block all "US politics" communities and downvote every single post that mentions trump (or the democratic alternative candidate) that appears outside of those comms.