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artifex
lemmy.zip
artifex@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
I had seen the #zuzai tag on mastodon a few times and had no idea what it was, but discovered a whole site dedicated to the new word. It's pronounced like "zoo's eye." You might say an author uses a zuzai writing process, or a teacher requires a zuzai testing environment. Is it a little pretentious to set up a whole website to justify the weird, new retronym you just came up with in a fit of ennui? Maybe. But I like zuzai, it encapsulates something that currently takes a lot of words to otherwise explain, and I hope it worms its way into the public zeitgeist. |
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Nutteman
lemmy.world
Nutteman@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
Having to make a whole website to make a cringe-ass word happen is so fetch |
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Feidry
sh.itjust.works
Feidry@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-08-01 |
What's wrong with "no AI"? |
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artifex
piefed.zip
artifex@piefed.zipJoined: 2025-12-16 |
Having to make a whole website to make a cringe-ass word happen is so fetch
Urban Dictionary says: and also fetch But from context I can tell you mean the first one :) |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
"An author doesn't use LLM" does take too many words. It's much faster to tell someone they use a "zuzai writing process" and then proceed to explain to them what that word means in the first place. |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
What's wrong with "no AI"?
It takes too many words to say that. /sarcasm |
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artifex
lemmy.zip
artifex@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
What's wrong with "no AI"?
It's about framing. By saying "no AI" you're acknowledging that the default selection is "AI". By making a word for it you're putting both concepts back on equal footing. That's how I think about it at least. |
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Broadfern
lemmy.world
Broadfern@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-02-03 |
What's wrong with "no AI"?
“AI-free” is also apparently too many words |
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Lumidaub
feddit.org
Lumidaub@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-11-21 |
What's wrong with "no AI"?
Edit: direct quote from article |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
"An author doesn't use LLM" does take too many words. It's much faster to tell someone they use a "zuzai writing process" and then proceed to explain to them what that word means in the first place.
But to be real for a moment, I think a neologism that just means "no AI" is giving more power to the "AI industry". The website gives an example, the word vegan. It's as if someone who eats meat felt like it takes too many words to say "meat eaters" and made up a new word for it in opposition to veganism. If anything, they would be solidifying veganism. Note: yes, people say carnivore when talking about meat eaters. But that wasn't invented solely for this use and also it's not precise. |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
Would the market for organic food be the behemoth that it is if the choice of label had been something like "synthetic pesticide-free"?⁷ Edit: direct quote from article
I don't know and we will never know. But the word is just appropriated. They didn't invent a new word. They could have just as well used the word natural for the marketing. Both words are similarly meaningless. |
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Chozo
fedia.io
Chozo@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-04 |
It's about framing. By saying "no AI" you're acknowledging that the default selection is "AI". By making a word for it you're putting both concepts back on equal footing. That's how I think about it at least.
But they're inherently not equal concepts. |
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Broadfern
lemmy.world
Broadfern@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-02-03 |
But to be real for a moment, I think a neologism that just means "no AI" is giving more power to the "AI industry". The website gives an example, the word vegan. It's as if someone who eats meat felt like it takes too many words to say "meat eaters" and made up a new word for it in opposition to veganism. If anything, they would be solidifying veganism. Note: yes, people say carnivore when talk...
“Carnist” is popular in online vegan spaces, though fortunately I’ve never heard an irl vegan use the term because to be honest it sounds silly and/or dirty when said aloud |
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🔍🦘🛎
lemmy.world
Zoomboingding@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-01 |
What's wrong with "no AI"?
Noai. This program/poster/image is noai. Easy. |
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PhatalFlaw
lemmy.world
PhatalFlaw@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
It's quite annoying that it's a recursive acronym, and I would imagine will add confusion and hinder any wider spread adoption, or at the very least understanding of it |
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artifex
lemmy.zip
artifex@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
Would the market for organic food be the behemoth that it is if the choice of label had been something like "synthetic pesticide-free"?⁷ Edit: direct quote from article
not sure why this is getting downvoted, it's an actual quote from the site. |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
“Carnist” is popular in online vegan spaces, though fortunately I’ve never heard an irl vegan use the term because to be honest it sounds silly and/or dirty when said aloud
Huh, I haven't encountered it yet. The word makes me think of carnality, so yeah... I'm not gonna use it any time soon. Thanks, I'll know what people are talking about in the future. 🙂 I think that's a little bit different though, that's vegans having a name for another group they're opposing. I find it similarly silly as zuzai though 😃 |
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artifex
lemmy.zip
artifex@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
"An author doesn't use LLM" does take too many words. It's much faster to tell someone they use a "zuzai writing process" and then proceed to explain to them what that word means in the first place.
spam. slop. enshittification. we've had plenty of words enter everyday vocabulary. they all had to start somewhere (granted enshittification in particular is pretty easy to grasp without ever having seen it before). |
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artifex
lemmy.zip
artifex@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
It's quite annoying that it's a recursive acronym, and I would imagine will add confusion and hinder any wider spread adoption, or at the very least understanding of it
We use lots of acronyms like regular words, it just takes a little time for them to become embedded in the language. Everyone knows what a LASER is, if not how it works or what the letters stand for. We check the weather RADAR, put in our PIN codes when checking out at the supermarket, and write out our addresses with ZIP codes. Eventually the acronyms just turn into regular words for most people. |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
spam. slop. enshittification. we've had plenty of words enter everyday vocabulary. they all had to start somewhere (granted enshittification in particular is pretty easy to grasp without ever having seen it before).
Slop is not a new word at all. Spam is a name for then new concept. Also both happened much more naturally (hey, or organically) Enshittification is one word that was pushed by one person and people fell in love with it for some reason. Look, invent new words. That's how languages work. Especially languages like English. But then don't complain that it's too many words or there are no words to say "AI free", because newly invented neologisms will always require more words in real conversations. I mentioned the real problem (as perceived by me) below. I didn't say we shouldn't add new words to our languages at all. Admittedly, zuzai specifically also just happens to sound terrible and silly. |
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Codpiece
feddit.uk
Codpiece@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-06-21 |
Urban Dictionary says: Fetch Stop trying to make it happen. It's not going to happen. "That's so fetch!" "Shut up, Gretchen. Stop trying to make fetch happen. It's not going to happen." Fetch by KamIsTotallyFuckingAwesome May 17, 2011 Word of the Day on March 30, 2019 and also fetch slang for cool or awsome. Used in mean girls by Grechen Weener. Omg Kadi you love him. That is so fetch. Grechen ...
Us older generation thank you. |
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Codpiece
feddit.uk
Codpiece@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-06-21 |
I think in line with Trump trying to rename things, artificial intelligence should be renamed by the rest of the world to “American intelligence”. |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
Us older generation thank you.
I understand not everyone has seen Mean Girls, but it's kind of funny that the film itself is ancient (22 years old I believe without looking it up) Edit: Just checked. Yep, it came out in 2004. |
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Codpiece
feddit.uk
Codpiece@feddit.uk Joined: 2025-06-21 |
I understand not everyone has seen Mean Girls, but it's kind of funny that the film itself is ancient (22 years old I believe without looking it up) Edit: Just checked. Yep, it came out in 2004.
Yeah that’s like so old like cringe. |
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snooggums
piefed.world
snooggums@piefed.world Joined: 2025-07-08 |
It's about framing. By saying "no AI" you're acknowledging that the default selection is "AI". By making a word for it you're putting both concepts back on equal footing. That's how I think about it at least.
Making a word for it is stronger reinforcement that everyone is treating ai as the default. |
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lIlIlIlIlIlIl
lemmy.world
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-31 |
Yeesh |
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dontbelievethis
sh.itjust.works
dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-07 |
Having to make a whole website to make a cringe-ass word happen is so fetch
That's dedication. |
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Chozo
fedia.io
Chozo@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-04 |
not sure why this is getting downvoted, it's an actual quote from the site.
It's getting downvoted because it's answering the question with another question. They might as well have just replied with the 🤷 emoji, for how useful of an answer it is. |
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PortNull
lemmy.dbzer0.com
portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-07 |
What's wrong with "no AI"?
And most of the internet seems to be UZI Using |
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Lumidaub
feddit.org
Lumidaub@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-11-21 |
It's getting downvoted because it's answering the question with another question. They might as well have just replied with the 🤷 emoji, for how useful of an answer it is.
Since we've obviously all read the article before commenting, I thought I'd post a short snippet as a reminder that the author has considered the question. |
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lightnsfw
reddthat.com
lightnsfw@reddthat.com Joined: 2023-08-15 |
Cringe |
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Chozo
fedia.io
Chozo@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-04 |
Since we've obviously all read the article before commenting, I thought I'd post a short snippet as a reminder that the author has considered the question.
Oh good, I'm glad the author considered the question. Tell me when he answers it. |
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Chozo
fedia.io
Chozo@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-04 |
What's wrong with "no AI"?
That won't get you a book deal like a "new word" will. The author thinks this will make him the next Cory Doctorow. |
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soyslurper2
lemmy.dbzer0.com
soyslurper2@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2026-08-29 |
Yeah, I'm not using this. So hard to just say "no AI" |
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Tanis Nikana
lemmy.world
tanisnikana@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-19 |
Slop is not a new word at all. Spam is a name for then new concept. Also both happened much more naturally (hey, or organically) Enshittification is one word that was pushed by one person and people fell in love with it for some reason. Look, invent new words. That's how languages work. Especially languages like English. But then don't complain that it's too many words or there are no words to ...
Enshittification isn’t a new word, it was just found. We’ve had “shit” for a long time, then Cory added “en-“ to become, “-ify” to direct an agent of change, and “-tion” to nominalize. It’s understandable and works within the context of the language, by people who hear it even once. It’s conjugatable, “enshittified,” “disenshittify,” and everyone knows what this means by familiarity of the language. When I see “zuzai,” I see a Japanese i-adjective that I can’t get a meaning for. It’s just hanging out there and it makes me want to reach for a dictionary, but I’ll never find it, cause I don’t even have the right language to begin with. EDIT: Turns out it’s a noun, not even an i-adjective. Jail for slop peddlers though? |
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Lumidaub
feddit.org
Lumidaub@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-11-21 |
Oh good, I'm glad the author considered the question. Tell me when he answers it.
I mean, you could read the thing. |
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andicraft
lemmy.blahaj.zone
andicraft@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-09-06 |
forced meme |
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corsicanguppy
lemmy.ca
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Yeah, I'm not using this. So hard to just say "no AI"
C'mon man. The cool kids haven't made a new word in like 2 weeks now, and they're itching to manufacture more distinguishing mannerisms and prove their edginess. So fetch; cro nap, slipwoosh. |
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corsicanguppy
lemmy.ca
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-12 |
I understand not everyone has seen Mean Girls, but it's kind of funny that the film itself is ancient (22 years old I believe without looking it up) Edit: Just checked. Yep, it came out in 2004.
22 years = ancient? Enlightenment is gonna hurt. |
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Chozo
fedia.io
Chozo@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-04 |
I mean, you could read the thing.
I did. He literally does not answer the question. He "considers" it, as you said, and then moves on. Here's the context of the quote you posted earlier:
He asks a question, then says "I hope the point is clear" without saying what the point is, and then asks another question. He then naively follows-up that nonsense with:
Those entered the lexicon because they're fucking words. They are sounds and arrangements of letters tied to concepts that we know and understand. You don't have to read an entire website to understand what "enshittification" means, as it's made up of words you already know. "zuzai" has no such connection because some guy just made it up. That's precisely why "no AI" and "AI-free" are the better options, because it uses words you already know. At this point, I question whether or not you've read the thing. Because I don't understand how anybody can read this and think "Yeah this is a good idea" instead of "This is just a bunch of attention-seeking nonsense to boost his LinkedIn following for when he announces his upcoming book". |
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Zier
fedia.io
Zier@fedia.ioJoined: 2023-06-17 |
C'mon man. The cool kids haven't made a new word in like 2 weeks now, and they're itching to manufacture more distinguishing mannerisms and prove their edginess. So fetch; cro nap, slipwoosh.
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pheelicks
lemmy.zip
pheelicks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-10-12 |
What's wrong with "no AI"?
Or other alternatives like "organic". |
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Texas_Hangover
lemmy.radio
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio Joined: 2024-11-09 |
That's so stupid sounding. I'm not sure AI didn't write it. |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
22 years = ancient? Enlightenment is gonna hurt.
In the context of film, yes. Two decades is a very long time ago. 22 years is a lot for a film, not so much for a building. Funny how things can be seen differently in different contexts. Edit: It's all about perspective. But people don't like to be reminded they get older, I guess. https://lemmy.world/post/52285117 |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
Or other alternatives like "organic".
Artisinal /joking |
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bugbear
lemmy.sdf.org
bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2026-08-08 |
That won't get you a book deal like a "new word" will. The author thinks this will make him the next Cory Doctorow.
We have too many of those already... |
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Proprietary_Blend
lemmy.world
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-12-25 |
Please stop |
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currycourier
lemmy.world
currycourier@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
Yeah, I'm not using this. So hard to just say "no AI"
Same amount of characters too |
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𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
infosec.pub
01189998819991197253@infosec.pubJoined: 2023-06-04 |
C'mon man. The cool kids haven't made a new word in like 2 weeks now, and they're itching to manufacture more distinguishing mannerisms and prove their edginess. So fetch; cro nap, slipwoosh.
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𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
infosec.pub
01189998819991197253@infosec.pubJoined: 2023-06-04 |
Urban Dictionary says: Fetch Stop trying to make it happen. It's not going to happen. "That's so fetch!" "Shut up, Gretchen. Stop trying to make fetch happen. It's not going to happen." Fetch by KamIsTotallyFuckingAwesome May 17, 2011 Word of the Day on March 30, 2019 and also fetch slang for cool or awsome. Used in mean girls by Grechen Weener. Omg Kadi you love him. That is so fetch. Grechen ...
This is the scene. It's actually funny. GIF: |
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c0wboy dani
lemmy.dbzer0.com
nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-02-17 |
Making a word for it is stronger reinforcement that everyone is treating ai as the default.
unfortunately this is true of <20s from what I've heard |
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