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For the longest time I suspected I had a depression, but it turns out it’s not me and everything just really sucks that bad.
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MangoCats feddit.it MangoCats@feddit.it
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#102 · Quote Reply

I often think about how if I was financially secure for the future it would not change the state of my country or the world. I would be happier day to day to some degree but it would not change whats going on.

Turn that on its head: what if the world were to change where not only you, but everyone was more financially secure...

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MangoCats feddit.it MangoCats@feddit.it
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#103 · Quote Reply

My wife would tell me I'm depressed, and I'd agree about that. However, she thought I should get meds, and I thought I should only get medicated for depression if the depression was chemical. If you're depressed because life sucks, then you should be motivated to fix what sucks. Unfortunately, that's not how depression works. Luckily, life started to suck slightly less.

Yeah, I wonder about people who are depressed for "reasons" masking the depression with pills - does that make the "reasons" any better? I can see some rare circumstances where the depressive behavior was a major cause of the problem, but I'm guessing that's really rare among the population who take the pills.

Then we can ask: what would the people who sell the pills want?

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lichtmetzger discuss.tchncs.de lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de
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#104 · Quote Reply

My brain to me: Sounds like you need a drink buddy. Me: I dunno, liver, what's your take? Liver: Fuck it man, take that drink.

This reads like an inner monologue from Disco Elysium.

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MangoCats feddit.it MangoCats@feddit.it
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#105 · Quote Reply

There's a few studies that link low self esteem and depression with accurate understanding of the world and oneself. Lookup depressive realism. It's actually mildly depressing! Incidentally, using high self esteem may also lead to looking down on others, defensiveness, inability to critically analyze oneself, among other things. That's just kinda how it goes when you think highly of yourself...

Woody Allen did a movie "AntZ" which opened with a therapy session where he (an ant) had a breakthrough: he realized he was insignificant. As fantastical movies often do, it followed him through an outrageously improbable rise from insignificance through super-stardom.

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MangoCats feddit.it MangoCats@feddit.it
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#106 · Quote Reply

I am sorry, but this is nonsense. Even if the world sucks, the logical, smart response would not be dispair and depression, because that fixes nothing. Also things like looking down on other or defensiveness are symptoms of low self esteem, not a high one. If you really are confident in yourself, you don't need to feel better than others, because you feel good about yourself. You can understand...

the logical, smart response would not be dispair and depression

There's nothing logical or smart about depression. That doesn't make it less real or debilitating.

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MangoCats feddit.it MangoCats@feddit.it
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#107 · (edited) Quote Reply

Ok here's a counterpoint, sure the world sucks in that all the things you mentioned are happening, but also - compared to the conditions we were genetically programmed to endure, modern life is amazing. For the vast majority of people, our base biological needs are met effortlessly. The majority of human existence has historically been a struggle for calories. Like, thats it. That's 99% of your...

Transport one of those people from the hunter-gatherer/bronze age/iron age/midevial era and they would be ecstatic in the modern day.

Would they? Would they appreciate property rights, being locked in a box every night, processed foods, competitive employment, paying for food and shelter instead of making it yourself, sexual harassment prohibitions? These things all have both good and bad aspects and somebody transported from another reality into this one could focus on either. At the very least they would be homesick and perpetually at odds with modern laws.

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HubertManne piefed.social HubertManne@piefed.social
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#108 · Quote Reply

I definitely have both. Before 2016, my anti-depressive medication did an amazing job. But then there was an election in the US, and that one day made me realize just how fucked we all were in a profound, unmitigatable way. I never looked at the people in my country the same way again, I never looked at the political system the same way again, and my perpetual-hopefulness for the world was comp...

I completely understand and while I don't think we can avoid eventual collapse I do see a narrow path through with the next election. Granted its a best case scenario when we continually have been following a worst case. If both houses of congress have a massive democratic win. Like red states that were considered unassailable and such. then maybe we can get impeachment and enough action to get us off this dysfunctional train wreck of a government. So a lot of things would have to go right. I know its thin but im holding onto it for the next month or so.

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HubertManne piefed.social HubertManne@piefed.social
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#109 · Quote Reply

Turn that on its head: what if the world were to change where not only you, but everyone was more financially secure...

oh yeah that would be great. my dream scenario is a world where I am the lowest on the totem and that is not so bad a thing to be. I mean I can be content on pretty small amounts but its gotta be in a rational caring system.

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LaLuzDelSol lemmy.world LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
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#110 · Quote Reply

Transport one of those people from the hunter-gatherer/bronze age/iron age/midevial era and they would be ecstatic in the modern day. Would they? Would they appreciate property rights, being locked in a box every night, processed foods, competitive employment, paying for food and shelter instead of making it yourself, sexual harassment prohibitions? These things all have both good and bad aspec...

Processed foods would blow their fucking minds. Yeah im sure they would be a little homesick so lets let them take their friends and family.

Living in the woods or like a peasant in an undeveloped country is still an option, there's a reason nobody does it though.

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myyass lemmy.world myyass@lemmy.world
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#111 · Quote Reply

When I was a tween my family moved from Connecticut to Florida. For a long time I was really depressed to the point where they thought I had Mononucleosis or I might need antidepressants. Turns out I was just hot. It's fucking hot in Florida. I was hot. I just didn't understand why I felt so shitty, because I had never really experienced oppressive Florida heat and humidity. Sometimes there are...

Ain't that something, When you open your car door and it's as if you were baking something, except they smell like steamy mildew, but that sweet hot heat blasts you in the face and it makes you think of the terminator movie.

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Magiilaro feddit.org DarkMetatron@feddit.org
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#112 · (edited) Quote Reply

I'm just saying there are more ways to form a society than exclusively through the complete control and exploitation of people and the environment like we've been doing for the last 100 years. Just because capitalism is the only way you know to live , doesn't mean it's the only way to live.

Can you describe one that is better?

Whenever we tried something else in the last 150 years it created a living hell for nearly everyone who was lucky enough to survive.
And what we had before that was not paradise either, far away from it.

The problem is not capitalism but unchecked, uncontrolled capitalism.

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jpreston2005 lemmy.world jpreston2005@lemmy.world
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#113 · Quote Reply

Ok here's a counterpoint, sure the world sucks in that all the things you mentioned are happening, but also - compared to the conditions we were genetically programmed to endure, modern life is amazing. For the vast majority of people, our base biological needs are met effortlessly. The majority of human existence has historically been a struggle for calories. Like, thats it. That's 99% of your...

All most people have to do to be happy is improve their quality of life, or adjust how they perceive the world in order to give themselves a more positive outlook.

Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and imagine yourself happy!

Not trying to be flippant but... not good advice.

Also I think trump has probably raped more children than most mean midevial guys.

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DeckPacker piefed.social DeckPacker@piefed.social
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#114 · Quote Reply

the logical, smart response would not be dispair and depression There's nothing logical or smart about depression. That doesn't make it less real or debilitating.

Yes, that's not what I am saying at all.
I am just refuting the claim, that depression is an inevitable outcome of understanding the world properly.
And that means, even if you are depressed and understand the world, you should try to do something about your depression.

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lastlybutfirstly lemmy.world lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
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#115 · Quote Reply

If it were 1726, and we were hanging out by the livery stable, watching the carriages roll over the horseshit in the road, and we dreamed of a utopia, it would be the futuristic paradise in which we live today.

You might want to see a doctor.

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MangoCats feddit.it MangoCats@feddit.it
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#116 · Quote Reply

Processed foods would blow their fucking minds. Yeah im sure they would be a little homesick so lets let them take their friends and family. Living in the woods or like a peasant in an undeveloped country is still an option, there's a reason nobody does it though.

Living in the woods or like a peasant in an undeveloped country is still an option, there’s a reason nobody does it though.

Starting with: people who try to do it get arrested / evicted / victimized.

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LaLuzDelSol lemmy.world LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
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#117 · Quote Reply

All most people have to do to be happy is improve their quality of life, or adjust how they perceive the world in order to give themselves a more positive outlook. Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and imagine yourself happy! Not trying to be flippant but... not good advice. Also I think trump has probably raped more children than most mean midevial guys.

It IS good advice I swear to god. Its not even controversial its what any therapist would tell you. Make lifestyle changes and improve your mindset.

Yeah Trump is a bad dude but tell me with a straight face hes worse then Genghis Kahn or Vlad the Impaler.

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LaLuzDelSol lemmy.world LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
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#118 · Quote Reply

Living in the woods or like a peasant in an undeveloped country is still an option, there’s a reason nobody does it though. Starting with: people who try to do it get arrested / evicted / victimized.

As opposed to the legal protections given to people in ancient times?

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Smaile lemmy.ca Smaile@lemmy.ca
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#119 · (edited) Quote Reply

If it were 1726, and we were hanging out by the livery stable, watching the carriages roll over the horseshit in the road, and we dreamed of a utopia, it would be the futuristic paradise in which we live today. You might want to see a doctor.

Big assumption they be dreaming of working 2 job for a living wage with a nagging rectangle in your pocket that's occasionally useful. No kids, mid to low shot of having a partner and the only way to get anywhere in socity is to go against the teaching of most religion and be a bastard. Yah real utopic, stop saying this stupid shit.

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MangoCats feddit.it MangoCats@feddit.it
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#120 · Quote Reply

As opposed to the legal protections given to people in ancient times?

People in ancient times had their tribe, respect of their clan, and a hell of a lot less crowding.

Today, you can put yourself 50 miles from the nearest civilization and still be removed by authorities based on a flyover spotting.

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Magiilaro feddit.org DarkMetatron@feddit.org
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#121 · Quote Reply

Big assumption they be dreaming of working 2 job for a living wage with a nagging rectangle in your pocket that's occasionally useful. No kids, mid to low shot of having a partner and the only way to get anywhere in socity is to go against the teaching of most religion and be a bastard. Yah real utopic, stop saying this stupid shit.

And what we have now is still leagues better then what they had in 1726.

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LaLuzDelSol lemmy.world LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
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#122 · Quote Reply

People in ancient times had their tribe, respect of their clan, and a hell of a lot less crowding. Today, you can put yourself 50 miles from the nearest civilization and still be removed by authorities based on a flyover spotting.

Aight you win i guess, things were better back in the good old days, being happy in modern society isnt possible and you shouldn't try.

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bitjunkie lemmy.world bitjunkie@lemmy.world
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#123 · Quote Reply

I mean, it can be both

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mrmisses lemmy.world mrmisses@lemmy.world
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#124 · Quote Reply

And what we have now is still leagues better then what they had in 1726.

*for some people

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A_Random_Idiot lemmy.world A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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#125 · Quote Reply

"It all started the day I was born and then things went rapidly downhill from there."

Title of my autobiography.

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Mulligrubs lemmy.world Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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#126 · (edited) Quote Reply

Big assumption they be dreaming of working 2 job for a living wage with a nagging rectangle in your pocket that's occasionally useful. No kids, mid to low shot of having a partner and the only way to get anywhere in socity is to go against the teaching of most religion and be a bastard. Yah real utopic, stop saying this stupid shit.

Read a book. I recommend "Paris in the Terror" by Loomis.

But yeah you're really suffering in a living Hell worse than anybody ever, oh wait, stop being ignorant of how truly blissful your life is compared to others in the past, or even today. Have you ever gone days without eating? What's the longest you've been without electricity?

If you hate reading, catch a flight to Haiti.

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SpongyAneurysm feddit.org SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org
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#127 · Quote Reply

What you gotta ask yourself though:
If it is really, that everything just sucks so bad, then why isn't everybody depressed.

I mean, I don't even disagree. Everything indeed does suck so bad. But there's a surprising number of people, that seem to cope with that fact way better than I do.

Turns out, I actually do have depression.
If you suspect, that you do too: seek help. It won't change that everything sucks so bad. But I already learned to cope a little better, and I hope you can, too.

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Smaile lemmy.ca Smaile@lemmy.ca
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#128 · (edited) Quote Reply

Read a book. I recommend "Paris in the Terror" by Loomis. But yeah you're really suffering in a living Hell worse than anybody ever, oh wait, stop being ignorant of how truly blissful your life is compared to others in the past, or even today. Have you ever gone days without eating? What's the longest you've been without electricity? If you hate reading, catch a flight to Haiti.

I have gone days without eating FYI, by choice but that's a dif story, maybe you should stfu and stop makeing assumptions or you could not be an aragent tard, you could try doing that.

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jpreston2005 lemmy.world jpreston2005@lemmy.world
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#129 · Quote Reply

It IS good advice I swear to god. Its not even controversial its what any therapist would tell you. Make lifestyle changes and improve your mindset. Yeah Trump is a bad dude but tell me with a straight face hes worse then Genghis Kahn or Vlad the Impaler.

wasn't Genghis Kahn like, famously benevolent to his men and tolerant of other beliefs and customs?

The principal source of steppe wealth was post-battle plunder, of which a leader would normally claim a large share; Genghis eschewed this custom, choosing instead to divide booty equally between himself and all his men.[209] Disliking any form of luxury, he extolled the simple life of the nomad in a letter to Changchun, and objected to being addressed with obsequious flattery. He encouraged his companions to address him informally, give him advice, and criticise his mistakes.[210] Genghis's openness to criticism and willingness to learn saw him seeking the knowledge of family members, companions, neighbouring states, and enemies.[211] He sought and gained knowledge of sophisticated weaponry from China and the Muslim world, appropriated the Uyghur alphabet with the help of the captured scribe Tata-tonga, and employed numerous specialists across legal, commercial, and administrative fields

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bcgm3 lemmy.world bcgm3@lemmy.world
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#130 · Quote Reply

My wife would tell me I'm depressed, and I'd agree about that. However, she thought I should get meds, and I thought I should only get medicated for depression if the depression was chemical. If you're depressed because life sucks, then you should be motivated to fix what sucks. Unfortunately, that's not how depression works. Luckily, life started to suck slightly less.

If you're depressed because life sucks, then you should be motivated to fix what sucks. Unfortunately, that's not how depression works.

Unfortunately, that's not how life works, either. We are beset on all sides by things that suck AND which we have little-to-no power to influence.

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beejboytyson lemmy.world beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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#131 · Quote Reply

I mean, it can be both

Ty worse, have you met worser?

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lastlybutfirstly lemmy.world lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
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#132 · Quote Reply

Big assumption they be dreaming of working 2 job for a living wage with a nagging rectangle in your pocket that's occasionally useful. No kids, mid to low shot of having a partner and the only way to get anywhere in socity is to go against the teaching of most religion and be a bastard. Yah real utopic, stop saying this stupid shit.

This is the problem with clinical depression. It's a form of psychosis and if you try to talk the person out of it, they can become belligerent. You guys need professional help. You are in danger. There are mean people out here who will egg you on instead of saying "stupid shit". They'll feed you everything you want to hear and laugh at you as you spiral down the drain.

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GeneralEmergency lemmy.world GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
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#133 · Quote Reply

Bitch I’m 37

Aw dude

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beejboytyson lemmy.world beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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#134 · Quote Reply

This is the problem with clinical depression. It's a form of psychosis and if you try to talk the person out of it, they can become belligerent. You guys need professional help. You are in danger. There are mean people out here who will egg you on instead of saying "stupid shit". They'll feed you everything you want to hear and laugh at you as you spiral down the drain.

Actually said something, nice

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ɔiƚoxɘup infosec.pub Quexotic@infosec.pub
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#135 · Quote Reply

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
J. Krishnamurty

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#136 · Quote Reply

What you gotta ask yourself though: If it is really, that everything just sucks so bad, then why isn't everybody depressed. I mean, I don't even disagree. Everything indeed does suck so bad. But there's a surprising number of people, that seem to cope with that fact way better than I do. Turns out, I actually do have depression. If you suspect, that you do too: seek help. It won't change that e...

why isn’t everybody depressed

It's because they're stupid and self centered.

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#137 · Quote Reply

What you gotta ask yourself though: If it is really, that everything just sucks so bad, then why isn't everybody depressed. I mean, I don't even disagree. Everything indeed does suck so bad. But there's a surprising number of people, that seem to cope with that fact way better than I do. Turns out, I actually do have depression. If you suspect, that you do too: seek help. It won't change that e...

Seeking help for depression is what lead me to a therapist. She helped me make the changes in my life circumstances that I needed to make my life suck significantly less. I am no longer chronically depressed.

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#138 · Quote Reply

I mean, it can be both

you really mean that?

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Duamerthrax lemmy.world Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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#139 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yup and patriarchy. My father is low functioning and constantly has temper tantrums/outbursts, and it baffled me why the family was run by him. If he was a woman he wouldn’t be the head of anything. Re capitalism, I never understood why people wanted to have a house and car. It also doesn’t make sense to have most of your assets sitting in real estate and not diversified.

Having a house isn't suppose to be about owning an asset. It's suppose to be having a place to live and not worring about owing someone money for it. Going from being a home owner with a mortgage to being a renter don't really change your place in capitalism.

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#140 · Quote Reply

Having a house isn't suppose to be about owning an asset. It's suppose to be having a place to live and not worring about owing someone money for it. Going from being a home owner with a mortgage to being a renter don't really change your place in capitalism.

I disagree with ur last bit. With a mortgage u are working toward being part of the "ownership class", where as a renter ur funding somebody else to be in that class this putting u "down a peg" in the sick game we have to play. Even if u spend 1 mil on a house that is worth 300k at the end of ur stint there, that's better than paying similar monthly and getting back zero. Any return is better than no return, and some dickhead can't sell ur home from under you.

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#141 · Quote Reply

"I thought i had mono for a year, but i was just bored." - Wayne

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#142 · Quote Reply

What you gotta ask yourself though: If it is really, that everything just sucks so bad, then why isn't everybody depressed. I mean, I don't even disagree. Everything indeed does suck so bad. But there's a surprising number of people, that seem to cope with that fact way better than I do. Turns out, I actually do have depression. If you suspect, that you do too: seek help. It won't change that e...

Two things can be true. And your depression can be because everything actually sucks. Instead of being because you simply believe it sucks.

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#143 · Quote Reply

"I thought i had mono for a year, but i was just bored." - Wayne

came here lookin for this comment lol

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#144 · Quote Reply

If your environment is totally things that sucketh bigly, your noggin becomes Yugely scrambled and the mind therein disturb-ed. A disturb-ed mind is a depress-ed mind. Hie thee to one who may prescribe and partake of their services. It shall be a balm to a disturb-ed noggin.

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#145 · Quote Reply

I mean…. I still got antidepressants a year ago thinking it was just dopamine burn out. I feel like I have the motivation of my mid 20’s. It’s amazing. I’ve met so many of my neighbors and been to all the bars/breweries/restaurants with them.

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#146 · Quote Reply

Having a house isn't suppose to be about owning an asset. It's suppose to be having a place to live and not worring about owing someone money for it. Going from being a home owner with a mortgage to being a renter don't really change your place in capitalism.

You still owe money for taxes and insurance, and of course you have to pay for the upkeep. It’s interesting that home ownership isn’t an asset since you’re not renting it out, but investing the same amount of money is considered an asset.

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#147 · Quote Reply

Read a book. I recommend "Paris in the Terror" by Loomis. But yeah you're really suffering in a living Hell worse than anybody ever, oh wait, stop being ignorant of how truly blissful your life is compared to others in the past, or even today. Have you ever gone days without eating? What's the longest you've been without electricity? If you hate reading, catch a flight to Haiti.

The attitude of, fuck you others have you worse get over it. Is one of the worst attitudes to have. Lets say somebody is depressed and they vent about their issues. You turning around saying buck up princess, kids in africa are starving does a few things. First, it shows them you are an asshole, it also belittles their own struggles, makes them feel bad for feeling bad and can start - or continue their downward spiral. You don't know what people are dealing with in the real world, or in their own minds. Your lack of empathy is appalling. Depression and bad lives aren't a contest.

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Krauerking lemy.lol Krauerking@lemy.lol
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#148 · Quote Reply

I recently thought my depression was getting way worse but actually it was just intestinal parasites giving me anemia.

So now I get to experience this shitty world with slightly more energy.

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bitjunkie lemmy.world bitjunkie@lemmy.world
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#149 · Quote Reply

you really mean that?

No.

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GeneralEmergency lemmy.world GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
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#150 · Quote Reply

Said the Internet shut-in terminally online tough guy "I sure told them." He said smarmily. "Don't they know I'm the expert?" He quietly reflected, repressing his self doubt before posting some other inane and trifling bullshit.

Aw dude

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Duamerthrax lemmy.world Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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#151 · Quote Reply

You still owe money for taxes and insurance, and of course you have to pay for the upkeep. It’s interesting that home ownership isn’t an asset since you’re not renting it out, but investing the same amount of money is considered an asset.

I don't want to do those things either. My taxes are more likely to pay for bad cops and subsidize new data centers and insurance companies will always look for a reason not to pay out. "Upkeep" is just fixing things, which existed before capitalism.

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