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Counter-Strike Co-Creator Says Gabe Newell Got So Obsessed With Mongolian Throat Singing at Valve HQ That Staff Started Closing Their Office Doors to Escape the Noise
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QuentinCallaghan sopuli.xyz QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz
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As an update to the story, this was confirmed by Gabe himself:
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/gabe-newell-responds-to-fan-asking-about-bizarre-valve-throat-singing-story-3412684/

A fan then went straight to the source, emailing Newell to ask whether the story was real. In a reply shared online, sent from Newell’s Valve address, he provided more detail.

“Yeah, I had chatted with Paul Pena about it after I tried learning on my own,” he wrote. “I am entirely self taught and it shows.”

He added that he worked on the sygyt and kargyraa styles “and got to the point where I was really… annoying.”

Newell says he still hasn’t given it up entirely. “Every once in a while, I’ll pick it back up,” he wrote, adding that it takes a couple of weeks to condition his throat.

Pena was an American blues musician who taught himself Tuvan throat singing, later becoming the subject of the Oscar-nominated documentary Genghis Blues.

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kibblebits quokk.au kibblebits@quokk.au
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Remember when valve made games?

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solrize lemmy.ml solrize@lemmy.ml
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It also figures into the Feynman memoir "Tuva or Bust!".

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falidorn lemmy.world falidorn@lemmy.world
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Remember when valve made games?

Who has made more games in the last decade: Rockstar or Valve?

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cobysev lemmy.world cobysev@lemmy.world
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Remember when valve made games?

They make way more money managing a game store. Why would they ever need to make another game? /s

But in all seriousness, Steam makes them a ridiculous amount of money. If I was Gabe, I'd slow down game production as well.

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kibblebits quokk.au kibblebits@quokk.au
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Who has made more games in the last decade: Rockstar or Valve?

Apparently the answer is Valve. Which says more about rockstar than anything about valve.

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baldingpudenda lemmy.world baldingpudenda@lemmy.world
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They make way more money managing a game store. Why would they ever need to make another game? /s But in all seriousness, Steam makes them a ridiculous amount of money. If I was Gabe, I'd slow down game production as well.

I figure they don't want to make a game and it not be at least a 7/10. So they keep one or two working on something while everyone else keeps the servers up, builds compatibility with Linux, and whatever hardware they are working on.

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kibblebits quokk.au kibblebits@quokk.au
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They make way more money managing a game store. Why would they ever need to make another game? /s But in all seriousness, Steam makes them a ridiculous amount of money. If I was Gabe, I'd slow down game production as well.

Well yes. The path to profit is the path of least resistance.

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cobysev lemmy.world cobysev@lemmy.world
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I figure they don't want to make a game and it not be at least a 7/10. So they keep one or two working on something while everyone else keeps the servers up, builds compatibility with Linux, and whatever hardware they are working on.

That is the benefit to making ridiculous money. You can really take your time and produce a quality game instead of rushing and cutting corners to meet an arbitrary deadline.

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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Apparently the answer is Valve. Which says more about rockstar than anything about valve.

Valve have made games. It's just not the same type of games that people that love them for their most famous titles.

Also, even though they made a blockbuster, single player, half life game recently, the majority of the HL fans were not able to play it, so we are still disappointed...

Jesus fucking christ, the last game that valve made with me as the audience in mind was fucking 15 years ago (Portal 2). (Half life 1 was releaed 13 years before that. )

Everything else is multiplayer or hardware bound.

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Kaput lemmy.world Kaput@lemmy.world
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Valve have made games. It's just not the same type of games that people that love them for their most famous titles. Also, even though they made a blockbuster, single player, half life game recently, the majority of the HL fans were not able to play it, so we are still disappointed... Jesus fucking christ, the last game that valve made with me as the audience in mind was fucking 15 years ago (P...

Alyx ils amazing ans the Lab ils also great i really wish they added levels to those games. Especialy the archer and thé slingshot games.

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ChicoSuave lemmy.world ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
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Genghis Blues was a great documentary. Cool to see Paul Pena popping up again. Didn't expect GabeN to be obsessed with throat singing.

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mrmisses lemmy.world mrmisses@lemmy.world
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Remember when valve made games?

No

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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Alyx ils amazing ans the Lab ils also great i really wish they added levels to those games. Especialy the archer and thé slingshot games.

I fucking bet they're amazing but I don't have a spare $1500 nor a spare room to use as a holosuite, since I need that $1500 as part of a down payment on a mortgage.

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ohulancutash feddit.uk ohulancutash@feddit.uk
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I figure they don't want to make a game and it not be at least a 7/10. So they keep one or two working on something while everyone else keeps the servers up, builds compatibility with Linux, and whatever hardware they are working on.

They have a flat structure so employees self-assign work. If a game idea interests them they work on it. If not, no worries there’s plenty to do on Steam.

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Lemmynated lemmy.zip Lemmynated@lemmy.zip
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Remember when valve made games?

But the speaking valve can create Mongolian throat singing

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papalonian lemmy.world papalonian@lemmy.world
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I fucking bet they're amazing but I don't have a spare $1500 nor a spare room to use as a holosuite, since I need that $1500 as part of a down payment on a mortgage.

I'm not saying it's easily accessible by any means, but you can definitely get a headset for a good deal less than $1500, and many (if not most) games can be played sitting at your desk in the same position you'd be in if holding a traditional game controller.

I agree it sucks that there's no non-VR version. I just wanted to say that it isn't exclusive to the obscenely wealthy or anything, if you already have a PC capable of running it you're likely in a position to be able to swing getting the gear for it.

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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I'm not saying it's easily accessible by any means, but you can definitely get a headset for a good deal less than $1500, and many (if not most) games can be played sitting at your desk in the same position you'd be in if holding a traditional game controller. I agree it sucks that there's no non-VR version. I just wanted to say that it isn't exclusive to the obscenely wealthy or anything, if y...

if you already have a PC capable of running it you’re likely in a position to be able to swing getting the gear for it.

I have an 8 year old laptop with a muxing problem that can barely handle android studio.

I'm fucking cooked.

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Salamanderwizard lemmy.world Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world
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At least it wasn't doing unspeakable things to kids.

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fenrasulfr lemmy.world fenrasulfr@lemmy.world
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I'm not saying it's easily accessible by any means, but you can definitely get a headset for a good deal less than $1500, and many (if not most) games can be played sitting at your desk in the same position you'd be in if holding a traditional game controller. I agree it sucks that there's no non-VR version. I just wanted to say that it isn't exclusive to the obscenely wealthy or anything, if y...

I thought there was a mod to play Half Life Alyx without a VR headset.

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ALoafOfBread lemmy.ml ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
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Sygyt is the style that sounds nasal-y but with a high pitched overtone.

Kargyraa is the really growly sounding one.

Source: im gabe newell

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herrvogel lemmy.world herrvogel@lemmy.world
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At least it wasn't doing unspeakable things to kids.

Weird that it's an either-or situation.

Wait a minute though. What does it mean that I have never heard my boss throat singing?

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Duamerthrax lemmy.world Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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I thought there was a mod to play Half Life Alyx without a VR headset.

I wouldn't be surprised is someone recreated in the Source 1/2 engine, but is there much gameplay if you remove the VR stuff?

Replaying the original Half Life 1 and 2 games, I realized there's that HL2 onward got crippled by the devs making it too much about the Gravity gun. The fan community have made much more interesting combat engagements without the Gravity gun and adding a more varied weapon set.

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Duamerthrax lemmy.world Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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They make way more money managing a game store. Why would they ever need to make another game? /s But in all seriousness, Steam makes them a ridiculous amount of money. If I was Gabe, I'd slow down game production as well.

I'd ramp it up, but focus on quality, experimental, and artist games that don't have to make profit immediately. They were doing that with Portal, but Gabe got more interested in owning yachts.

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Yewb lemmy.world Yewb@lemmy.world
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Honestly went to a concert for "the hu" Mongolian metal band... amazing

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Yewb lemmy.world Yewb@lemmy.world
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Sygyt is the style that sounds nasal-y but with a high pitched overtone. Kargyraa is the really growly sounding one. Source: im gabe newell

Can you do like a 1 time grace period on family transfer please lol

And can you fix lan based voice chat where it just doesn't work and I have to use discord

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southsamurai (he/him/pronoun agnostic) sh.itjust.works southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
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Sygyt is the style that sounds nasal-y but with a high pitched overtone. Kargyraa is the really growly sounding one. Source: im gabe newell

Kargyraa is the tits!

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justlemmyin lemmy.world justlemmyin@lemmy.world
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Ok?

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nialv7 lemmy.world nialv7@lemmy.world
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Remember when valve made games?

Deadlock is pretty cool

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Balinares pawb.social Balinares@pawb.social
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Honestly went to a concert for "the hu" Mongolian metal band... amazing

Hanggai also kicks ass, in the rarefied yet delightful niche of Mongolian metal.

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papalonian lemmy.world papalonian@lemmy.world
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if you already have a PC capable of running it you’re likely in a position to be able to swing getting the gear for it. I have an 8 year old laptop with a muxing problem that can barely handle android studio. I'm fucking cooked.

Well it's a good thing PC parts are so cheap right now.

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Boe lemmy.blahaj.zone Boe@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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Weird that it's an either-or situation. Wait a minute though. What does it mean that I have never heard my boss throat singing?

Your boss is throat slinging instead?

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papalonian lemmy.world papalonian@lemmy.world
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I wouldn't be surprised is someone recreated in the Source 1/2 engine, but is there much gameplay if you remove the VR stuff? Replaying the original Half Life 1 and 2 games, I realized there's that HL2 onward got crippled by the devs making it too much about the Gravity gun. The fan community have made much more interesting combat engagements without the Gravity gun and adding a more varied weapon set.

but is there much gameplay if you remove the VR stuff?

Good question. The gameplay blends very smoothly with the Index and doesn't feel gimmicky, it's hard to say how much would feel "missing" playing on mouse and keyboard.

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skulblaka sh.itjust.works skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
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if you already have a PC capable of running it you’re likely in a position to be able to swing getting the gear for it. I have an 8 year old laptop with a muxing problem that can barely handle android studio. I'm fucking cooked.

To be fair a brand new desktop tower can also barely handle android studio, I've never had a good experience in it not once

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kestrel7_7 lemmy.world kestrel7_7@lemmy.world
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Sygyt is the style that sounds nasal-y but with a high pitched overtone. Kargyraa is the really growly sounding one. Source: im gabe newell

Dammit, stop it with the throat singing and release half life 3

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myyass lemmy.world myyass@lemmy.world
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Honestly went to a concert for "the hu" Mongolian metal band... amazing

Totally a great band, I can emulate the singing if I'm drunk enough lol

Also, apparently I've been in Mongolia when I was a child.

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Sygyt is the style that sounds nasal-y but with a high pitched overtone. Kargyraa is the really growly sounding one. Source: im gabe newell

Source: im gabe newell

Knew it

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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Well it's a good thing PC parts are so cheap right now.

Please take me to your alternate reality. What happened to the world after Bernie Sanders' second presidency?

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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To be fair a brand new desktop tower can also barely handle android studio, I've never had a good experience in it not once

Shitposts aside, this laptop is only recently beginning to show its age, and because I'm demanding more and more of it. I can hardly expect it to run CUDA AI shit or not expected it to work as a fullstack server and have 2 copies of VS code and Pulsar (another Electron based editor) , play YT videos with its fucking muxing issues AND run KDE at the same time.

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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but is there much gameplay if you remove the VR stuff? Good question. The gameplay blends very smoothly with the Index and doesn't feel gimmicky, it's hard to say how much would feel "missing" playing on mouse and keyboard.

Guess what motherfuckers, we missed out a shitload more by watching HLA as a lets play instead of playing it as an FPS.

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Duamerthrax lemmy.world Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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Guess what motherfuckers, we missed out a shitload more by watching HLA as a lets play instead of playing it as an FPS.

I saw people drawing penis in glass. I read a plot summary and wasn't impressed enough to watch a playthough. Also, I already know I'll be in the minority because I think HL2 is gimmicky gameplay because if you remove the gravity gun and chores associated with it, the combat is weaker the HL1. Try Singularity if you want to see what combat that actually integrates a Gravity Guy into the combat.

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papalonian lemmy.world papalonian@lemmy.world
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Guess what motherfuckers, we missed out a shitload more by watching HLA as a lets play instead of playing it as an FPS.

Valve: We need a way to sell our high end VR headset. Let's release it with a long time fan favorite title; we can use Half Life to get people otherwise not interested in VR games into the ecosystem, and maybe they'll get other games too!

Half Life fans: watch someone else play the game for free without buying Half Life or an Index

Valve: surprised Pikachu

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papalonian lemmy.world papalonian@lemmy.world
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I saw people drawing penis in glass. I read a plot summary and wasn't impressed enough to watch a playthough. Also, I already know I'll be in the minority because I think HL2 is gimmicky gameplay because if you remove the gravity gun and chores associated with it, the combat is weaker the HL1. Try Singularity if you want to see what combat that actually integrates a Gravity Guy into the combat.

Drawing a penis on the glass in the opening scene is like dropping the baby penguin off the map in Mario 64. It's a compulsion. The thought enters your head and, once it does, must be executed for the simple goal of seeing if you can.

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Sanguine lemmy.dbzer0.com Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Honestly, based.

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Duamerthrax lemmy.world Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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Drawing a penis on the glass in the opening scene is like dropping the baby penguin off the map in Mario 64. It's a compulsion. The thought enters your head and, once it does, must be executed for the simple goal of seeing if you can.

And what about reconning the ending to episode 2? I already explained that I didn't fine the gameplay of HL2 to be very good, so if I played it through for the story, why would I be happy about that? I stopped expecting to get what I want out of a Half Life game when Marc Laidlaw explained the circumstance of why he left.

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peopleproblems lemmy.world peopleproblems@lemmy.world
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I mean...

You show me one man who doesn't wish they could. And I'll do you a liar.

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MeatPilot sh.itjust.works MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works
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#47 · (edited) Quote Reply

Valve's morning ritual.

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GalacticGrapefruit lemmy.world GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world
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Honestly went to a concert for "the hu" Mongolian metal band... amazing

Nothing like it on Earth, it is such an incredible sound. It's amazing that the human body can even make it. It feels like the vocal equivalent of people doing the Wrong Warp in Mario 3. Like... how???? You can do that???

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melfie lemmy.zip melfie@lemmy.zip
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#49 · (edited) Quote Reply

Never heard it until I watched a video just now. Sounds like a jaw harp. I can see why people trying to concentrate would be a little peeved, though if someone were paying me good money to do something cool like make games, I’d probably happily put on some headphones and ignore it.

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Medic8me piefed.ca Medic8eme@piefed.ca
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But but but Gabe is the bestest billionaire and cannot be held accountable.

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LowtierComputer lemmy.world LowtierComputer@lemmy.world
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Totally a great band, I can emulate the singing if I'm drunk enough lol Also, apparently I've been in Mongolia when I was a child.

They are awesome!

Were you there when you were young?

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