Link: https://dpa-international.com/politics/urn:newsml:dpa.com:20090101:260218-99-569905/

cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/59424100

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz has called for an end to widespread anonymity on the internet, saying users should post under their real names.

UK: hey, could people who use VPNs please tell us who they are exactly so we know they're not circumventing this other law? ... No? Because excellent reasons? ... Oh...

Merz: vee don't like not knowing ze name of ze person who is calling us 1 Pimmel. it is vital vee know vat everybody is doing at all times on zis new sing, zis new land vee haff just discovered. because reasons.

I propose that all politicians must have cameras installed and streamed 24/7 in any spaces they regularly occupy. This includes offices, private homes, and even bathrooms. These spaces must have enough cameras that there are no blind spots within the rooms. Let's make every politician live in a very literal manifestation of 1984. Don't want to have the whole world watch you take a crap? Don't run for office.

I think it’s time to cancel the internet.

The internet is dead its hollow corpse is a shitty mall and propaganda brainwashing machine.

Merz is in his 70s. He is not the most gifted politician. One nickname given to him by a journalist is "the unavoidable" in reference to him having no good competition for leadership in his party after a perceived century of Angela Merkel in charge who had successfully sidelined him. For a reason, it seems.

He is very good at dropping shit like this in the media and then having it walked back or watered down. I do not see this idea getting a majority in the country where Google street view is useless because people rebelled against having the public facing side of their buildings photographed for easier navigation. And I can see a few arguments that would occupy the supreme court for a decade, were this to become law.

Then don't be 1 Pimmel, du Mikropimmel.

the 90s internet was so much better. I want the 90d internet back. even if it did take a week to download a movie

Ze German nation can no longer afford zis Lifestyle-Nichtpimmeling. Everybody vill need to pimmel 120 hours a week at least and until age 85 if vee vant to preserve our prosperity.

Merz criticized defenders of online anonymity, saying they are "often people who, from the shadows of anonymity, demand the greatest possible transparency from others."

Dude is non-comprehending and very offended to hear it

The 90s internet is still here the web is just gone. Tildeverse, Gemini, BBS, Muds and IRC are still around. Its smaller but so was 90s internet but its still a lot of fun in the hidden corners of the net.

I’d be fine if big tech social media would be required to use real names. That would reduce all the racism, misogyny, transphobia etc tremendously. It is obvious the big tech is not interested at all preventing any of that themselves.
But let’s keep the rest of the internet out of it.

I'm not so sure, a lot of the shit slinging (especially on Facebook) already has people's real names attached to it. The worst of the worst are shameless anyway.

Have you been on social media? A lot of ppl acting up participating in racism, transphobia, hate speech etc. do not give a shit about protecting their identity. If the real name is not already on their profile, then their post makes them easily identifiable.

Also, there are enough laws out there that force social media providers to give out information about the users who do illegal stuff online. That would make almost everyone identifiable.

The reality is that law enforcment gives a shit about doing their job.
And Social Media providers give a shit about actively protect users of those points, even tho they are obliged to in many jurisdictions.

As soon as any politician critisises this idea, tell them there is nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide.

That's like everybody having to wear a name tag in public. Also, chilling effect.

where Google street view is useless because people rebelled against having the public facing side of their buildings photographed for easier navigation.

Do elaborate.

Link

Yes but it’s just your first name.

A Gemini reference in the wild!

I looked a couple years ago. Briefly toyed with it, made a page or two. I like the ethos, and am about 99% on board. I only wish it had inline images. I feel like that omission alone would greatly hurt its adoption and relegate it to not just niche, but super-ultra-niche.

Germany and Autoritarianism: name a more iconic duo.

the anglosphere and settler colonialism.

it's so ubiquitous that most people don't even notice it.

Has people’s view of Street View changed since then or has the German desire for privacy evolved? My money is on the latter,

Or it's that fish statistics analogy, newer generations don't really feel their ancestors' pains... but it's too soon for that.

Some governments (like Russia) have deployed behaviour (i.e. not just DPI) based VPN detection which reliably kills VPN sessions, however these are wrapped.
I am currently not aware of a way to circumvent this. Presumably, this will require camouflaging as a user browser session.

I wonder why such discussions are always framed as an all or nothing propositions. Zero knowledge systems are a decades old invention. Just very briefly: based on some ID a site issues cryptographycally signed tokens claiming some fact, e.g. the requester being an actual real person, adulthood, etc. Such a token could be presented by an otherwise anonymous user to a 2nd site with their own signature as proof of said property in order to consume their service. Tokens could even be single use.

A requirement to prove someone is, in fact, a human is not unreasonable. Banning bots or bad actors could be a solution to a lot of the problems on social media etc...

There is naturally a major shortcoming of this scheme, authoritarians could not track people...

Fuck you Merz

NO.

Annonymity is what makes this all work. People forgetting that are the ones who screw it up.

Good point!

Which would be a nice idea, if it wasn't for the fact that the second that this happens, nobody will be able to freely speak any truth at all, because governments will jump on it to restrict speech more and more and more and something tells me that fuckface McNazi knows this.

See what I did there? If I had to post under my real name, I would not have called him that.

Free speech depends on anonymity

Louis Rossman just did a video on this very topic. He had a hot take on it, but it's about the double edged sword of Internet anonymity in his formative years.

Papers! Where are your papers!?

The issue is inline images become ads eventually.

Boomer who doesn't understand technology wants to go back to 1980s.

There is no middle ground to be found here because the reasons the government gives are ad hoc, they are to accomplish other goals they can't be honest about.

They are the purveyors, and protectors, of many influence operations on the internet, and use their influence to help ban accounts those influence operations identify as hostile to their operations.

This is about crushing dissent, and controlling the population, and logging everything said or done or looked at and having ai threat detection parse it all and promulgate half baked conclusions to business and government to use against you secretly without you knowing, done for them by Palantir and their ilk at that.

Israel first always, but also climate and environmental protesters already, but there is no limit to it. They want to entrench powerful interests in power.

The goal is mass surveilance. Sensible solutions are unwelcome. The current politicians need to be voted out.

That's a problem as old as the Internet. If you go through ancient forum discussions from 25 years ago, you won't be able to spot the bots. It doesn't take modern AI to create posts online. That tech has been around forever.

i fail to see the benefits to this for example if someone makes a post asking for help in the linux community an two people reply with same answers that work itd make no difference if one person that answerd is richard stalman or some random john doe

Fuck off Gestapo Merz

A Web of Trust/friend-of-a-friend system could somewhat work. Where every person has their own personal trust scores of others, including implied trust by navigating the graph. Global trust scores are susceptible to Sybil attacks, but local ones are more resilient (still susceptible though). Hyphanet seems to have a decent WoT implementation, though the user count is so low, it hasn't really went through a trial by fire yet.

True enough... but I wonder how this would play out. For example, linked images could also be ads, or hold ads embedded in the same image content you wanted to see, and you don't know that until you click on the image.

Leaving aside ad-blockers for one moment, non-inline images move the unit of atomicity from a whole page with all its embedded images, to a single image you wanted to see. Clicking gets you an image which can be anywhere between 0-100% ads. Bringing ad-blockers back into the picture, if the unit of atomicity is a whole page and most images are either 0 or 100% ads, it seems far easier to block ads on a link by link basis. If ads end up embedded into the same images you want to see in a more 80/20% mixture in the image, it's more difficult to block sub-regions, and the advertiser could vary the subregion randomly.

Ah man. It feels like there is nothing advertisers cannot ruin if it becomes popular.

Plus not having it being image centric makes the web idea based like it was before during the arpanet days. Images bring with it the Memeification of communication and other low effort content.

i fail to see the benefits to this

It's Germany, this is about persecuting people who oppose zionism (as well as any other project of the German state). Any stated justification is a lie invented to cover that up.

conspiracy theory time: "AI" is a psyop designed to manufacture consent for unpopular internet regulations such as this one. We used to take anonymity and privacy for granted and now every other website demands you to "prove you are human" (my instance is unfortunately no exception... its a necessary evil).

The vast vast majority of human history had no social media and people were disrespecting others and not getting punched

I want a camera up their butthole

That's a choice communities should get to make.

There are crazy things that are happening during european elections. Swamrs of bots and fake accounts are used to promote anti-EU anti-everything parties.

There was a case in Romania that president was elected, but tuned out that much of his tiktok was sponsored through Russian and Chinese funds. But highest court overuled election results.

Facebook bots are being used in Lithuania by the shittiest parties, journalists get bombarded with hate comments after they openly critique those parties.

I think there's great threat to every country national security with how social media is managed. However massive ID checks is going to create more problems and it won't ever pass with German public since they are one of the most privacy conscious in EU.