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OhStopYellingAtMe
lemmy.world
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-15 |
How are we this stupid?
Why do you say “we?” I had no part in this bill, and you probably didn’t either. |
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UnderpantsWeevil
lemmy.world
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Red State voters living in abject poverty: "Republicans is gittin important stuff done!"
10 Years After SCOTUS Gutted Voting Rights Act, Alabama Turnout Gap Is Worse
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COASTER1921
lemmy.ml
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-10-05 |
The sad thing is that there is a huge amount that could be done for global warming with some basic legislation around contrails. Clouds that high in the atmosphere are quite bad in terms of greenhouse effect. By avoiding flying through areas that they'd be generated there's a surprisingly large environmental benefit for minimal cost. A good explainer: https://youtu.be/QoOVqQ5sa08 |
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bss03
infosec.pub
bss03@infosec.pubJoined: 2023-10-02 |
Google calculated that planes could avoid the air conditions that cause vapor trails, but it would cost around 2% extra fuel. That means it's a hard no from any airline.
Two airlines are pursuing lower-contrail-generation routes, currently. The fuel cost is much lower than you claim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoOVqQ5sa08 |
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QueenHawlSera
sh.itjust.works
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-05 |
And for fuck’s sake, I’m with you on “Absitnence-Only” being a failure. Hell I remember my Sex-Ed, it wasn’t Absistence only, they told us about condoms and stuff… It’s just they kept using so many awkward euphemisms and beating around the bush, that when it was done I thought sex was when a guy peed in a girl’s butt. I find it deeply disturbing that the states with the highest level of teen pr...
The problem with faith and believers in general. Be they believers in psychics, ghosts, aliens, Jesus, Xenu, etc. Is that they have already decided what they want to be true and no evidence can convince them otherwise. Anyone who deals in the evidence must be either close-minded or naive at best or outright lying at worst. Which is why scientists are either "Stuck believing the religion of Darwin and Scientism" or "On the payroll of big academia, silencing the truth about PSI and Nephilim!" It doesn't matter that the evidence says comprehensive sex education prevents abortions and STDs. The "truth" is that safe sex is evil and cannot be taught without encouraging children to have it, because the truth was invented by "liberal pedophiles" who want to turn your children trans. This is why skeptics beat the believers everytime. Skeptics follow the evidence and believers do not. It's why MAGA will never turn on Trump, what Trump says is the "truth", evidence was created by the Deep State. It doesn't matter that Trump is in the epstein files because Trump says he isn't. It doesn't matter that Evolution is one of the most successful theories in biology, the pastor says it's a "theory in crisis" A common lie from believers is the idea that the institutions are "slowly turning to" whatever their idea is. As a former New Age I used to hear that Academia was slowly giving up on Materialism.. that a few stubborn higher ups were just too attached to their pet hypotheses. I didn't realize it was a scam till I realized creationists were told that "Real Scientists" find Evolution a little sus. |
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𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
infosec.pub
01189998819991197253@infosec.pubJoined: 2023-06-04 |
Why ban them? What's in them? |
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nomecks
lemmy.wtf
nomecks@lemmy.wtf Joined: 2025-01-05 |
Two airlines are pursuing lower-contrail-generation routes, currently. The fuel cost is much lower than you claim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoOVqQ5sa08
Glad to hear it! |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
With all the conspiracy theories proven true lately I Am perfectly ready to believe that the chemtrails are some evil plot, but can we at least like test them first?
Basic physics is not a conspiracy. Jfc hot air into cold air condenses into a cloud just like what happens when breathing out in cold weather. I kind of get those in places that are always warm not getting it but I've had to explain it so many times to people who grow up in places where ice and snow are normal in winter |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
How do you think the conspiracy nuts will react if this bill becomes law and then there are just as many contrails in the sky as before?
Considering how stupid those who want this are, they'll just go oh see, they stopped doing chemicals in the trails now!. Or 50/50 chance want all jet planes banned 🤷 |
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Pirat
lemmy.org
Pirat@lemmy.org Joined: 2026-02-18 |
The sad thing is that there is a huge amount that could be done for global warming with some basic legislation around contrails. Clouds that high in the atmosphere are quite bad in terms of greenhouse effect. By avoiding flying through areas that they'd be generated there's a surprisingly large environmental benefit for minimal cost. A good explainer: https://youtu.be/QoOVqQ5sa08
I never thought it about as a green house thing before though I do remember reading an article many years ago that contrails do contribute when they spread out into cirrostratus clouds. I was a meteorologist in the Air Force and did make forecasts telling pilots at what levels to fly to avoid making contrails since having a long silver line pointing to your exact location makes sneak attacks a little difficult. Perhaps commercial airlines should make use of that information. It's usually just a few thousand foot difference. Fly a little higher or lower and problem solved. |
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Pirat
lemmy.org
Pirat@lemmy.org Joined: 2026-02-18 |
So clouds are illegal?
Well, it's impossible to ban natural clouds but planes could avoid making contrails by just not flying in the zone where their exhaust would cause them. Source: I was a weatherman in the Air Force and would tell military pilots where to fly to not have a shiny line pointing to their exact location if such information could be a concern. |
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billwashere
lemmy.world
billwashere@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Well, it's impossible to ban natural clouds but planes could avoid making contrails by just not flying in the zone where their exhaust would cause them. Source: I was a weatherman in the Air Force and would tell military pilots where to fly to not have a shiny line pointing to their exact location if such information could be a concern.
Well that could be problematic. So I’m curious now… what conditions cause the contrails? Certain temps, humidity, wind speed? I would think very humid cold air but that’s just a guess. |
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
Considering how stupid those who want this are, they'll just go oh see, they stopped doing chemicals in the trails now!. Or 50/50 chance want all jet planes banned 🤷 Accurate representation of those wanting this
Sadly they'll just think it's the federal govt doing the spraying that's why they ignore state laws. |
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scarabic
lemmy.world
scarabic@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
This isn't someone guessing, man. He's citing research on the topic. Essentially, these clouds are 50% opacity to visible light, but nearly 100% in infrared. So they block some incoming light, but reflect almost all infrared from the surface. It's a net warming effect at these altitudes.
Oh….. dear. |
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scarabic
lemmy.world
scarabic@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Contrails are mostly water vapour that's condensed due to the hot exhaust of airplane engines. They are certainly not completely avoidable, they are likely inescapable without sacrificing significant fuel efficiencies (eg: all methods stealth fighters use to suppress or mask their exhaust heat signature).. which would negate any benefits to global warming. P. s. I'm not going to watch a YouTube...
It’s a 2:35 short , btw. Quite dense and to the point. And one of the points is that you’re wrong about it not offsetting the extra fuel to avoid contrail zones. |
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scarabic
lemmy.world
scarabic@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Maybe we shouldn’t have to SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON to have a discussion on the internet, or sit through an ad read for Brilliant or whatever
Do we seriously have to listen to people air their gripes about internet video anytime a link is shared? Jesus Christ. |
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stupidcasey
lemmy.world
stupidcasey@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-20 |
Basic physics is not a conspiracy. Jfc hot air into cold air condenses into a cloud just like what happens when breathing out in cold weather. I kind of get those in places that are always warm not getting it but I've had to explain it so many times to people who grow up in places where ice and snow are normal in winter
Ok, so the trails would happen anyway that doesn't mean they aren't also carrying chemicals. look, I don't believe it all I'm saying is it's not insane and with the Epstein files and panama papers and Snowden leaks, I'm now of the opinion Evil super villain plots are real and happen all the time. |
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scarabic
lemmy.world
scarabic@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
I've got no interest in watching even 2.5 minute YouTube videos when I can read the text of the same content in 45 seconds. Instructional videos can be great and valuable, but that's not what we're talking about here. There are a wealth of crap pop science videos on YouTube that misrepresent studies. The study is interesting, but it's a feasibility study data utilizing a theoretical models - th...
You have remarkable audacity for continuing to argue the point while also boasting about how you’ll ignore any information that isn’t spoon fed to you in your format of choice. Sooner or later, you’re going to miss something that way and make an ass of yourself, if that didn’t already just happen in front of our eyes. |
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scarabic
lemmy.world
scarabic@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
By simply re-routing planes around these cold patches, the contrails could be reduced. And routes now are generally chosen to be the most fuel-efficient, subject to regulatory constraints such as avoiding overflight of areas of high population density. So any alternate path will be longer and burn more fuel.
As said in the video everyone refused to watch, it doesn’t require all new routes but occasional 1-2% course deviations or altitude changes for a minority of flights. It’s also claimed that contrails have far, far more warming effect than any additional carbon that might be emitted by this. But hey, he posted it in a video so FUCK HIM, RITE? |
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YiddishMcSquidish
lemmy.today
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-03-10 |
Why ban them? What's in them?
cHeMiCaLss5ss! |
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goferking (he/him)
lemmy.sdf.org
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-08-03 |
Ok, so the trails would happen anyway that doesn't mean they aren't also carrying chemicals. look, I don't believe it all I'm saying is it's not insane and with the Epstein files and panama papers and Snowden leaks, I'm now of the opinion Evil super villain plots are real and happen all the time.
Planes don't carry any extra weight as that kills range and fuel efficiency. So no they wouldn't be carrying anything unnecessary
But it's not, it's more level of the earth is flat or we didn't land on the moon |
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stupidcasey
lemmy.world
stupidcasey@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-20 |
Planes don't carry any extra weight as that kills range and fuel efficiency. So no they wouldn't be carrying anything unnecessary I'm now of the opinion Evil super villain plots are real and happen all the time. But it's not, it's more level of the earth is flat or we didn't land on the moon
The chemicals could easily be mixed in with the fuel All it would require is a doped fule source maby a couple chemists and a few laborers and the couple of oil oligarchs / governments who did it, the world is flooded with bad chemicals they could have came from the plains and nobody would know the difference. Who's to say it doesn't help the fuel? Lead did in leaded gasoline, there's a cover up that was real, far bigger and more deadly than chemtrails. Once again, I don't believe it but it's not crazy. |
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pulsewidth
lemmy.world
pulsewidth@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-29 |
You have remarkable audacity for continuing to argue the point while also boasting about how you’ll ignore any information that isn’t spoon fed to you in your format of choice. Sooner or later, you’re going to miss something that way and make an ass of yourself, if that didn’t already just happen in front of our eyes.
God forbid I actually read sources, and prefer reading to taking heads on a video platform that is designed to waste people's time in endless content crawls. You call me audacious yet here you are stepping into a discussion to try your best to belittle and chastise an internet stranger with a different opinion. |
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Pirat
lemmy.org
Pirat@lemmy.org Joined: 2026-02-18 |
Well that could be problematic. So I’m curious now… what conditions cause the contrails? Certain temps, humidity, wind speed? I would think very humid cold air but that’s just a guess.
In answer to your question: yes. Humid cold pure air. By pure, I mean no contaminates until the hyrdrocarbons from the jet fuel are emitted into that pure, moist air. To form a droplet, a nucleus is needed. The hydrocarbons of the jet engine exhaust provide that nuclueus. |
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scarabic
lemmy.world
scarabic@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
God forbid I actually read sources, and prefer reading to taking heads on a video platform that is designed to waste people's time in endless content crawls. You call me audacious yet here you are stepping into a discussion to try your best to belittle and chastise an internet stranger with a different opinion.
I went to college for English Lit so please don’t lecture me on the virtues of reading. God forbid you stoop to get all the information you can. You are acting like an ass and I’m letting you know. I didn’t get up this morning to chastise you. If there’s any doubt in your mind what you did: 1: “this video says you’re wrong” See we’re not strangers anymore. You’re that fucking guy who did that fucking thing. |
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toynbee
lemmy.world
toynbee@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
Should be easy for the airlines to comply with, since they don't leave chemtrails, they leave contrails.
That sounds like something someone with a degree in ozone would say! |
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lechekaflan
lemmy.world
lechekaflan@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-21 |
Whoopee. Now the fucking fringers have become the mainstream.
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kurmudgeon
lemmy.world
kurmudgeon@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
This is what the decline in education and humility gets you in America. |
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Phoenixz
lemmy.ca
phoenixz@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-10 |
Please pass this bill, that'd be so hilarious, the US inadvertently closing it's airspace semi permanently because they're such dumbasses |
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carpelbridgesyndrome
sh.itjust.works
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-27 |
Please pass this bill, that'd be so hilarious, the US inadvertently closing it's airspace semi permanently because they're such dumbasses
Alabama not the US house. That headline needs a lot of context |
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Lemminary
lemmy.world
Lemminary@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-13 |
cHeMiCaLss5ss!
And the 5Gs |
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Wispy2891
lemmy.world
Wispy2891@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-13 |
The chemtrails aren't a thing, but in the legislators small mind, who would be behind them? Are they actually thinking that there's some private individual that is spending billions building a secret massive network of bribed pilots and bribed mechanics that are spraying such chemicals to change the weather or influence the people in some ways? |
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kreskin
lemmy.world
kreskin@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-11-03 |
So we banned ...water vapor. Well done, house committee. |
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pulsewidth
lemmy.world
pulsewidth@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-29 |
I went to college for English Lit so please don’t lecture me on the virtues of reading. God forbid you stoop to get all the information you can. You are acting like an ass and I’m letting you know. I didn’t get up this morning to chastise you. If there’s any doubt in your mind what you did: 1: “this video says you’re wrong” 2: “well I don’t watch videos dahling.” (flips hair, draws on cigarette...
I gave MY preferences for reading, note the use of the phrase "I prefer". I did not extoll the virtues of reading. It's a shame your English Lit exposure in college didn't extend to education on logical fallacies, because you use them a lot.
1: User actually said "contrails are completely avoidable". 2: I said that's factually untrue. My disdain for a youtube link on a comment thread discussion was literally my post scriptum. You have a massive chip on your shoulder about people who don't want to watch videos for science news, that's clear - but I don't care to hear any more about it. Maybe take a breath and reflect on context. We're in the comments section on a 'nottheonion' news post about goddamn JFK banning chemtrails because he thinks DARPA is secretly impregnating them with experimetnal chemicals. Y'know.. wackadoo shit. Have a great weekend & life, I will no longer respond. |
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Telex
sopuli.xyz
XTL@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-12 |
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Those are the same picture. |
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Telex
sopuli.xyz
XTL@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-12 |
And happy trails.
And entrails. |
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Telex
sopuli.xyz
XTL@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Do we seriously have to listen to people air their gripes about internet video anytime a link is shared? Jesus Christ.
If YouTube links were banned, we wouldn't. |
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scarabic
lemmy.world
scarabic@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
If YouTube links were banned, we wouldn't.
Well since they’re not, maybe you should deal with them. |
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RamRabbit
lemmy.world
RamRabbit@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-11-16 |
It bans cloud seeding and geoengineering. Passing this off as a 'ban on chemtrails' is deliberately dishonest.
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NihilsineNefas
slrpnk.net
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-06-19 |
It bans cloud seeding and geoengineering. Passing this off as a 'ban on chemtrails' is deliberately dishonest. a Class B misdemeanor for the injection, release or dispersal of “a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance, or an apparatus into the atmosphere within or above this state for the purpose of affecting the weather, including temperature, climate, and intensity of sunlight.
So they're going after the companies polluting the planet right... Right? |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
So we banned ...water vapor. Well done, house committee.
ICE is coming for your tea kettles! |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Why ban them? What's in them?
ice crystals. They can give you brain freeze.
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
In reply to an earlier post
nah, Sheila Jackson Lee, Democrat, member of the Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics of the House, asked if the Mars rover took a pic of the flag planted by Neil Armstrong. Fucking idiots are bipartisan. Heart warming. |
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brucethemoose
lemmy.world
brucethemoose@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-03-22 |
The chemtrails aren't a thing, but in the legislators small mind, who would be behind them? Are they actually thinking that there's some private individual that is spending billions building a secret massive network of bribed pilots and bribed mechanics that are spraying such chemicals to change the weather or influence the people in some ways?
I mean, that’s basically what the petrochemical industry has done. Not to influence people chemically, but to keep business up. |
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ebolapie
lemmy.world
ebolapie@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-21 |
nah, Sheila Jackson Lee, Democrat, member of the Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics of the House, asked if the Mars rover took a pic of the flag planted by Neil Armstrong. Fucking idiots are bipartisan. Heart warming.
Not making me feel better about the timeline |
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Zangoose
lemmy.world
Zangoose@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
So they're going after the companies polluting the planet right... Right?
Presumably companies would be able to argue they aren't pushing out pollutants with the intention to change the climate |
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zephiriz
lemmy.ml
zephiriz@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-10-07 |
Come on guys you all know."Atheist are using unicorn's to spread chemtrails to kill off all the Angeles in heaven." |
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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
lemmy.world
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
So we banned ...water vapor. Well done, house committee.
No. A chemical compound, a substance, or an apparatus into the atmosphere within or above this state for the purpose of affecting the weather, including temperature, climate, and intensity of sunlight. |
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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
lemmy.world
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
The chemtrails aren't a thing, but in the legislators small mind, who would be behind them? Are they actually thinking that there's some private individual that is spending billions building a secret massive network of bribed pilots and bribed mechanics that are spraying such chemicals to change the weather or influence the people in some ways?
Crop dusting is common. |
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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
lemmy.world
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
Why ban them? What's in them?
A chemical compound or a substance, for the purpose of affecting the weather, including temperature, climate, and intensity of sunlight. |
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