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Rose
slrpnk.net
umbraroze@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-09-18 |
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yyyesss?
lemmy.world
yyyesss@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-10 |
i would say it's an intentional dark pattern |
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viral.vegabond
piefed.social
viral.vegabond@piefed.social Joined: 2024-06-01 |
It's intentional. |
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Scott 🇨🇦🏴☠️
lemmy.ca
RodgeGrabTheCat@lemmy.caJoined: 2026-09-10 |
Using Librewolf solves the issues. |
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katy ✨
piefed.blahaj.zone
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-06-06 |
its a kill switch to disable everything otherwise you can enable or disable the things you don't want |
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Rose
slrpnk.net
umbraroze@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-09-18 |
For the record, I know it was marketed as "AI killswitch". I know it functions as one. But it's still hella confusing as presented in the configuration! Don't do double negatives! If your design goal is "disable everything", maybe give the users the option to, I don't know, "disable everything". |
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Rose
slrpnk.net
umbraroze@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-09-18 |
its a kill switch to disable everything otherwise you can enable or disable the things you don't want
It's functionally a killswitch, yes, but it's presented as a confusing mess. Enabling a disabling is still silly no matter what. |
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MrSoup
lemmy.zip
MrSoup@lemmy.zipJoined: 2024-03-21 |
Yes but I would argue that its function is properly described. I mean, it says what it does and if you want you can enable what it actually says. |
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h0pfries
lemmy.today
h0pfries@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-08-13 |
I don't see the problem. The paragraph of text explains exactly what it's doing. Do you also have a problem with the "enabling" of your ad blocker "disabling" the ads? There's nothing "dark pattern" about this at all. |
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sem
lemmy.blahaj.zone
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-06-09 |
For the record, I know it was marketed as "AI killswitch". I know it functions as one. But it's still hella confusing as presented in the configuration! Don't do double negatives! If your design goal is "disable everything", maybe give the users the option to, I don't know, "disable everything".
Isn't that what it does? Except in your mind it would say "enable ai" and you'd have to enable it to access the options below. That makes sense to me |
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TheFogan
programming.dev
TheFogan@programming.dev Joined: 2023-07-12 |
I don't see the problem. The paragraph of text explains exactly what it's doing. Do you also have a problem with the "enabling" of your ad blocker "disabling" the ads? There's nothing "dark pattern" about this at all.
I could see that, but I think the key difference. Adblocker is an active block of something from outside. AI block is telling firefox not to use any of it's own. Kind of a do this, versus don't. "Do protect me from attackers." "Don't attack me" |
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Flaqueman
sh.itjust.works
Flaqueman@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-22 |
I agree. This is a double negative. Language usually goes with positive statements instead of double negative. |
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fonix232
fedia.io
fonix232@fedia.io Joined: 2023-06-13 |
I agree. This is a double negative. Language usually goes with positive statements instead of double negative. You don't say "I didn't fail". You say "I succeeded". With that logic, the UI should say "Enable AI features" instead of "Disable AI blocker".
It really depends on the context. e.g. if you just barely pass an exam, that's not really a success - but you truly didn't fail, which was probably your objective instead of being successful (i.e. getting a good score/grade) on the exam. |
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psx_crab
lemmy.zip
psx_crab@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-01-11 |
Isn't that what it does? Except in your mind it would say "enable ai" and you'd have to enable it to access the options below. That makes sense to me
It's a dark pattern to confuse those who don't read word by word. In daily life, if i have to turn on the switch to switch off the light, it just wouldn't make sense, unless when it's intentionally want to confuse and make you switch on the light. An On/Off switch for AI Enhancement reads significantly better than On/Off switch to block AI Enhancement, the first one is just basic intuition. |
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A_norny_mousse
piefed.social
A_norny_mousse@piefed.socialJoined: 2026-09-27 |
So, was it blocked by default? If yes, I wouldn't read too much into it. |
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ggtdbz
lemmy.dbzer0.com
ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-04-17 |
On device translation is amazing and exactly what this software should be approved for, I think it’s good that they let you pick this separately. I don’t care for surrendering my cognitive functions to an advertising panopticon machine, but translating pages without letting Google know what sites I’m looking at? Yes please |
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felixwhynot
lemmy.world
felixwhynot@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Using Librewolf solves the issues.
I’m using Zen and I haven’t seen any of this nonsense yet 🤷 |
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bertlewirth
lemmy.world
bertlewirth@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-15 |
Using Librewolf solves the issues.
I moved to librewolf a few days ago. Got sick of Mozilla fucking with shit. Yes, I’m aware librewolf is Firefox underneath. |
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/home/pineapplelover
lemmy.dbzer0.com
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-30 |
As someone who has gone through Windows group policy, the amount of weird policies and regedits we have to do to disable AI, recall, anayltics, etc. it's insane and the process flip flops with tricky wording. Enabling something here and disabling stuff somewhere else, it gets annoying |
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Doodle69420
lemmy.world
Czombolero@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Pushing the opt out responsibility on the user is why I left Windows and never looked back. I recommend Waterfox which I started using a couple months back when Firefox started going in this direction. Waterfox is great on desktop and Android (which I'll hopefully shed soon too when my current phone stops working). |
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Matt The Horwood
lemmy.horwood.cloud
mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloudJoined: 2023-07-27 |
I know it's chromium, but Vivaldi has no AI crap at all. I find it refreshing |
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Possibly linux
lemmy.zip
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zipJoined: 2023-06-26 |
As someone who has gone through Windows group policy, the amount of weird policies and regedits we have to do to disable AI, recall, anayltics, etc. it's insane and the process flip flops with tricky wording. Enabling something here and disabling stuff somewhere else, it gets annoying
You are comparing it to the worst of the worst |
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Possibly linux
lemmy.zip
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zipJoined: 2023-06-26 |
I don't see the problem. The paragraph of text explains exactly what it's doing. Do you also have a problem with the "enabling" of your ad blocker "disabling" the ads? There's nothing "dark pattern" about this at all.
It should not be turn on to disable |
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Chozo
fedia.io
Chozo@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-04 |
What exactly is this disabling? Firefox's built-in AI tools? Or is it disabling AI tools on websites you visit? Because "blocking" seems like a very misleading term to be using if it's an internal presence being turned off. We typically only "block" remote things we know to be harmful to our experience, like harassing users on internet platforms or websites known to contain malware. This is honestly some selfawarewolves shit at this point, Mozilla. |
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SHY_TUCKER
lemmy.ml
SHY_TUCKER@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-12-29 |
We're talking about Mozilla here. They always do the wrong thing. -edited for brevity |
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SaharaMaleikuhm
feddit.org
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-23 |
On device translation is amazing and exactly what this software should be approved for, I think it’s good that they let you pick this separately. I don’t care for surrendering my cognitive functions to an advertising panopticon machine, but translating pages without letting Google know what sites I’m looking at? Yes please
Agreed. It's the only one I leave turned on and use rarely. I do appreciate that it runs locally. |
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trxxruraxvr
lemmy.world
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
What exactly is this disabling? Firefox's built-in AI tools? Or is it disabling AI tools on websites you visit? Because "blocking" seems like a very misleading term to be using if it's an internal presence being turned off. We typically only "block" remote things we know to be harmful to our experience, like harassing users on internet platforms or websites known to contain malware. This is hon...
Only the built in tools |
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hendrik
palaver.p3x.de
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de Joined: 2021-08-21 |
I don't see the problem. The paragraph of text explains exactly what it's doing. Do you also have a problem with the "enabling" of your ad blocker "disabling" the ads? There's nothing "dark pattern" about this at all.
Hehe. 47 people here think "enabling the disable-ation of ads" is clear language?! I'd like browsers / distributions include uBlock per default so there's less spying. And if you want to enable all the ads and trackers, you'd go to the top right and press uBlock's power button (to turn uBlock off - and ads on). I think that's a clear and straightforward UX. At least that's how I set up Linux computers and nobody ever complained 😄. I mean it surely is a dark pattern to trick people into giving away their personal data to all those companies? Most of the users aren't even aware. And their consent is fabricated by making this backwards?! |
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njordomir
lemmy.world
njordomir@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-21 |
Some dynamic text under the toggle that reads "AI Anti-Feature 'X' is on/off" could ensure absolute double-certain clarity. |
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bryndos
fedia.io
bryndos@fedia.io Joined: 2025-07-28 |
If you refer to a traffic light as a "stop" light then you can interpret red as "do not stop". |
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jdr
lemmy.ml
jdr@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-07-28 |
If you refer to a traffic light as a "stop" light then you can interpret red as "do not stop".
Never stop never stopping |
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Khanzarate
lemmy.world
Khanzarate@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
Some dynamic text under the toggle that reads "AI Anti-Feature 'X' is on/off" could ensure absolute double-certain clarity.
There is in fact a "what these options mean" at the bottom of the page that does that. |
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Hadriscus
jlai.lu
Hadriscus@jlai.lu Joined: 2025-06-10 |
I hate inverted booleans with an agenda |
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Hadriscus
jlai.lu
Hadriscus@jlai.lu Joined: 2025-06-10 |
Never stop never stopping
Don't keep on not keeping on |
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GreenKnight23
lemmy.world
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-09-21 |
Don't keep on not keeping on
ah, reminds me of a famous song.
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GalacticRobot
lemmy.world
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
It's functionally a killswitch, yes, but it's presented as a confusing mess. Enabling a disabling is still silly no matter what.
You and your post makes no sense. You have to enable ad blocking, so why wouldn't you enable ai blocking? It's even well explained in the screenshot and blocked by default. |
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GalacticRobot
lemmy.world
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
I agree. This is a double negative. Language usually goes with positive statements instead of double negative. You don't say "I didn't fail". You say "I succeeded". With that logic, the UI should say "Enable AI features" instead of "Disable AI blocker".
You do the same thing with ad blockers. They are on when you are blocking ads. This is on for blocking AI. |
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_stranger_
lemmy.world
_stranger_@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
It's functionally a killswitch, yes, but it's presented as a confusing mess. Enabling a disabling is still silly no matter what.
the ai stuff is disabled by default, you toggle it to enable it, this isn't rocket surgery. |
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GalacticRobot
lemmy.world
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
It's a dark pattern to confuse those who don't read word by word. In daily life, if i have to turn on the switch to switch off the light, it just wouldn't make sense, unless when it's intentionally want to confuse and make you switch on the light. An On/Off switch for AI Enhancement reads significantly better than On/Off switch to block AI Enhancement, the first one is just basic intuition.
Totally, they really should change those ad blocker buttons. Off to indicate ads are off right? Definitely not 'on' to indicate that ads have been disabled. Because that would be too confusing for people. |
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psx_crab
lemmy.zip
psx_crab@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-01-11 |
Totally, they really should change those ad blocker buttons. Off to indicate ads are off right? Definitely not 'on' to indicate that ads have been disabled. Because that would be too confusing for people.
Is this AI Blocker 3rd party plugin or first party setting? In the same sense if those ad blocker are first party stuff that's build into, say, youtube or news site, then yes, that would totally be a better option, off to turn off ads, on to turn on ads. If it's third party tools made literally to turn off ads, then it make sense to turn on to block ads and turn off to allow ads. Common sense, yeah? |
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glibg10b
lemmy.zip
glibg10b@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-02-05 |
This is just my opinion, but I think it's reasonable to require your user to go to the settings if they want to remove a context menu item.
In fact, I think they're going above and beyond here. Most people never use "Inspect Accessibility Properties", yet they added it here with no option to remove it, and yet no one's complaining. I think the cause of this outrage is people reading too much into Firefox's AI features. Firefox doesn't bundle an LLM or make requests without your permission. It doesn't put AI overviews on your pages. It didn't remove existing functionality to make room for the new buttons. And it doesn't shove any of the features into your face. It's just a context menu item that opens a website in the sidebar if you choose to click on it. |
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Flaqueman
sh.itjust.works
Flaqueman@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-22 |
You do the same thing with ad blockers. They are on when you are blocking ads. This is on for blocking AI.
Ask yourself what's the main purpose. For an ad blocker, the purpose is to block ads. The dev spent hours developing the blocking mechanism, so it's normal that it's called an ad-BLOCKER. For the Firefox AI features, they spent hours implementing the AI tools. Look at the pop-up blocker in Firefox. It says "block pop-ups" because that's the feature the dev worked on. |
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psx_crab
lemmy.zip
psx_crab@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-01-11 |
I know it's chromium, but Vivaldi has no AI crap at all. I find it refreshing
Vivaldi is really nice, have build in adblocker as well, but then it has the problem all non-mainstream browser have, some site just refuse to work with it. It's annoying as heck when it happen. Luckily it's really just a few site at this point. |
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pewpew
feddit.it
pewpew@feddit.itJoined: 2023-06-06 |
Also, why does it say "blocked" instead of "disabled"? |
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remon
ani.social
remon@ani.social Joined: 2024-09-25 |
Also, why does it say "blocked" instead of "disabled"? This kinda leads me to imply that their AI features are spyware
When they first announced this they called it the "AI kill switch", so they already toned it down. |
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lepinkainen
lemmy.world
lepinkainen@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-11-26 |
I moved to librewolf a few days ago. Got sick of Mozilla fucking with shit. Yes, I’m aware librewolf is Firefox underneath.
Anything is better than using yet another Chromium wrapper and pretending to use a real alternative to Chrome 😀 |
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klankin
piefed.ca
klankin@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-01-12 |
What exactly is this disabling? Firefox's built-in AI tools? Or is it disabling AI tools on websites you visit? Because "blocking" seems like a very misleading term to be using if it's an internal presence being turned off. We typically only "block" remote things we know to be harmful to our experience, like harassing users on internet platforms or websites known to contain malware. This is hon...
Blocks the news too, because they know its all ads so they built in the adblocker |
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MBM
lemmy.world
MBM@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-05 |
On device translation is amazing and exactly what this software should be approved for, I think it’s good that they let you pick this separately. I don’t care for surrendering my cognitive functions to an advertising panopticon machine, but translating pages without letting Google know what sites I’m looking at? Yes please
Especially since Google translate is just a front for Gemini these days (and not in an "LLMs were made for translating" way, you can literally prompt inject it) |
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Chozo
fedia.io
Chozo@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-04 |
When they first announced this they called it the "AI kill switch", so they already toned it down.
The fact that they announced that instead of an "AI ON switch" tells you where Mozilla's interests lie these days. |
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Chozo
fedia.io
Chozo@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-03-04 |
This is just my opinion, but I think it's reasonable to require your user to go to the settings if they want to remove a context menu item. In fact, I think they're going above and beyond here. Most people never use "Inspect Accessibility Properties", yet they added it here with no option to remove it, and yet no one's complaining. I think the cause of this outrage is people reading too much in...
If it's not an opt-IN feature, then it's malicious, anti-consumer design. Full stop. The lengths people will go to defend Mozilla are astounding. If Chrome did this, you'd be throwing a fit. |
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tomi000
lemmy.world
tomi000@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-08 |
This is just my opinion, but I think it's reasonable to require your user to go to the settings if they want to remove a context menu item. In fact, I think they're going above and beyond here. Most people never use "Inspect Accessibility Properties", yet they added it here with no option to remove it, and yet no one's complaining. I think the cause of this outrage is people reading too much in...
I think thats not what OP is mildly infuriated about though. If I understood correctly its that you have to enable the setting "disable AI" instead of having a setting "use AI" (possibly enabled by default), which you would disable. Its just counterintuitive semantics |
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