stfu, communism bad, freedom good

Can we even calculate the total death toll of captalism? We will never fully understand the unnecessary misery that this economic system has caused.

Your bad, wordy meme is made all the worse by the slop filth you used as images. If you don't want to create something with actual effort, use a template rather than giving corpos more power for no reason.

Get this AI generated garbage out of here

Just scribble out your vision, it will be better than AI.

Can you please explain how using AI to generate this image gives corporations power? I'd argue it does the opposite due to the memes anti capitalist nature.

I don't disagree but downvoting for slop

It normalizes using corporate-owned, corporate-trained, tools that inherently favor corporate perspectives and propaganda.
Even an attempt to subvert capitalist messaging can get screwed up by letting the corpo clanker choose what to draw. The images are just inherently biased and weird.

Here, somehow both panels have a white-supremacist and colonialist undertone: we get a white-savior businessman explaining things to a crowd of grateful Asian people; then he's standing alone in his formal suit, framed as the only rational thinker in an exotic desert.

I understand that both of these interpretations are perhaps a bit of a stretch, but I truly believe that if OP had taken the effort to design and draw their own imagery for these panels, the imagery would not have had these weird colonialist implications that undermine their intended message.

It proves that people are using it and they use that engagement to drive investments and growth

Freedumb to buy corporate products

Freedom to consume

Freedom to work

Freedom to hate

The irony of them using the apex of capitalist greed 😂

But then we are using the internet, social media and devices controlled by corporations.

Lemmy is technically better, without corp control and by having pro-socialist instances. But is the hosting free of corpos too?

Hey OP here's a non AI alternative so that the Fuck AI crowd can care about the brown people.

Thank you.

Is there any template sharing the idea shown in the meme, on how much propaganda is spread against Communism, but not even a fraction is provided to the results of Capitalist exploitation of colonies that resulted in much greater harm?

The point is not that I think the latter is more important, but the duplicity or ignorance and lack of attention compared to when the people who complain about Communism, while ignoring all the deaths due to Capitalism

I doubt there are similar memes out there.

I tend to treat AI stuff as bad jokes, there better be a good point and it better be punching up.

I think the beauty of capitalist propaganda is that it says any fault of capitalism is the fault of the individual cause personal responsibility.

Also I've heard from people (western) that it was good India was colonised cause it at least brought capitalism there.

so that the Fuck AI crowd can care about the brown people

How can you possibly make such a vile distortion of the general reaction? The comments have been very clear in explaining the problems of using AI slop. It's not even a particularly challenging meme given the community we're in. The British Empire being a plight upon the Global South and capitalism killing millions of people are largely agreed upon here.

Here is a meme from a year ago, that roughly makes the same point, from this same community, by Yogthos no less: https://lemmy.ml/post/36383656

Capitalism being bad, and especially so towards the Global South, is not a point of contention here, as both things have been extensively said and discussed. The reason why people are reacting like this now is because, this time, a corporate service with extremely serious societal and environmental consequences has been used to repeat this already well-established point, and OP is acting a bit weird and defensive when being called out about it.

I don't think it is bad to repeat already established points, especially as libs keep overflowing every thread slightly critical with the status quo with propaganda, but comments calling OP out for doing an extremely low-effort, problematic iteration of this point are completely legitimate.

Most of you need to get a grip. It's a tool, OpenAI might serve it as part of their offer but they don't own it.

This doesn't even look like what their models output, it's probably Qwen.

And before you go on a diatribe about the environment, datacenters would be being built next to windfarms if it wasn't for the oil industry and it's bribes. AI isn't the cause of global warming, it's just a scape goat.

I don't think it's a gross distortion of reality. Your reaction kinda proves my point.

There were so many people here who were like "Umm downvote cause AI"
OP clearly said they reshared what they found, so they didn't use the AI either.
So I figured id help and I even made the nice non AI version and took the time to not even pick that pedophile Drake, and who doesn't love Miku?

You still got upset that you got called out and lashed outward instead of checking yourself inward.

Also, literally told to my face that it was good Indians were colonized cause at least that brought capitalism there, as tho free trade never existed in the region before. 🙄

slopping "sloppunism slopped 100 sloppillion"

You can literally run Z-Image Turbo on a laptop, the whole data centre argument is very stale at this point https://huggingface.co/Tongyi-MAI/Z-Image-Turbo

I'd go as far as argue memes may be the most legitimate use of all for imageGen AI. A meme is literally a quick throw away idea that's meant to agitate. It doesn't need to be a beautiful piece of art, or have any sophistication. It's just a quick way to get the message across. And you often want to make it quick in response to some world event. What Iran did with Lego videos also perfectly illustrates just how effective this can be. While western left keeps doing hand wringing over AI use, people living in countries being attacked by western regimes are using this tech to get their message out.

get your braying out of here, nobody cares

please explain how running an open model like Z-Image on my machine normalizes corporate-owned tools, I'll wait https://huggingface.co/Tongyi-MAI/Z-Image-Turbo

Exactly punching up is a big factor. And fr never seem more legitimate use of it

Socialism is when no iPhone type of comment.

I think you are greatly overstating my reaction here. All my comments are relatively long because I suck at being concise and I don't want to be misunderstood, but I maybe should have been a bit wiser and notice that there are literally no good intentions or good faith in your attitude. It is after all required to act in bad faith to get this defensive about AI slop and get this far assuming other people's intentions.

Also, literally told to my face that it was good Indians were colonized cause at least that brought capitalism there, as tho free trade never existed in the region before. 🙄

I'm sorry about this, I guess? I quite literally did not mean this and it came to me as a surprise that you got this from my comment, and it's the reason why I am replying once again. I apologize if I said something that implies this or results from colonial bias implying this. I want to make it clear that this claim is very much not in line with my world view. It is also not clear to me what I said that led to this misunderstanding.

That said, this apology is certainly half-hearted. I have enough reasons to assume that you are acting in bad faith and pulling the most inflammatory accusations you possibly can.

The miku meme is cool, though. I wish it wasn't accompanied with such an incendiary caption.

Libs just love doing performative outrage in general. They really see leaving 'it's slop' comments on every thread as they sacred duty, it really makes them feel like they're making a difference in the world. It's basically a form of voting which is the only way they know how to participate in a society.

You're literally sitting and complaining about the P's and Q's. There's a bunch of people in the comment section literally going slop slop and not caring about what's being said.
So maybe it wasn't for you. Have you considered taht?
Its like saying all men are suck, if you're the type to get upset by that then you're the problem.

I want to assume we got off on the wrong foot. If you like the meme, and OPs meme then the caption wasn't for you. Teh caption was literally for OP.

I'm sorry for any misunderstanding.

Its frustrating to be told no how you're saying what you're saying is incorrect, when what's being said is pretty important. If you can ignore what I'm saying then you're also justifying what happened, cause the medium is more important than the message.
I hope that clarifies why I'm frustrated.

Always the aesthetics of civility but never civil.

New research shows that US and European sanctions have killed 38 million people since 1970.

https://jasonhickel.substack.com/p/the-staggering-death-toll-of-western?r=5n37y

Z-Image is literally made by Alibaba, c'mon now. While you do get access to the weights, and you can tweak it to your liking, you don't get access to the bulk of the training data that was used to train it, and the corporations are still making the foundation model.

I'll concede that your workflow is definitely way better than booting up a closed-weight model running remotely via API though.

Ok it's made by Alibaba, you don't get access to original training data and how does any of that actually matter?

indeed

Its frustrating to be told no how you're saying what you're saying is incorrect, when what's being said is pretty important. If you can ignore what I'm saying then you're also justifying what happened, cause the medium is more important than the message.
I hope that clarifies why I'm frustrated.

Fair, but you lashed out at me directly, you referred to my reaction specifically, and I have the responsibility to take seriously criticism that is a priori directed at me, lest I say "heh, they're not talking about me" when you do mean something I, specifically, said or did wrong.

I think your frustration over the "form over content" concern trolling is completely legitimate and justified, but I also think that you are wrong at underestimating the massive problem that generative AI entails, which other comments were concerned about. Is this post not the place to do so? Yogthos has been spamming this community lately with AI slop memes, and making fun of anyone displaying any concern at all. OP has also contributed a fair bit to the spam. The content of those memes themselves are pretty reasonable and they tackle issues that need to be talked about. They can all be talked about without contributing to AI companies burning the world faster than it ever has burned before.

Where is the place to talk about this? AI slop is not moderated against, so it needs to be discussed somewhere. I understand that your ideology is one such that imperialist damage on the Global South takes priority over generative AI, and I think that is reasonable, but you need to respect that the damage caused by generative AI is also a genuine concern (that also disproportionately affects the Global South!) and people have a right to be angry about that in the space they have available for it.

I hope we have reached a common understanding.

Can't even exploit my workers without these leftists purity-checking me these days! /s

I do agree genAI has issues, but I see it as a tool.
But I also don't criticize the medium people use to talk about oppression and focus my attention on less useful uses of this tech.
So many worms, that I don't think we can put back in their cans.
So I'm coming at it from a now what are we gonna do about it pov

I also think we are arguing on nuances at some point and we should get a beer/other beverage of choice, first ones on me.

Alright, I know everyone is busy fighting over the meme being AI, but can someone comment on that number of dead people? How are we coming to that number? Are we counting all the famines?

Yknow this whole exhausting discussion could be avoided by simply not using Ai tho, not because of any moral reasoning but because the fact we are even arguing about this is taking away from the point being made. Rather than get mad at how people react to Ai, just consider if even using Ai is worth the inevitable derailment it's causes.

Tbh no one cared about brown people, I feel bad.

Oh so you given up posting these lies on reddit & have started here. Kept on getting them taken down & too many proved it was revisionist crap.

For the record, this is a load of shit, & your statement is utter bollocks, historically & factually.

Oh, So you are angry with how the losses of life due to capitalism and especially British colonisation are mentioned.

On the reddit part, I likely don't know you.

And for the record, the dishonesty in your comment and attempt at attacking the topic and me is easy to see through.

Your claim that the British committed genocide by organising a drought in the middle of WW2 is risable. Its cheap historic revisionism, utterly ignoring what was happening at that time.

You throw up a picture of people affected by famine & tack "British empire" on the end to get attention.

This exact same thing was posted on reddit weekly, but I guess the blinding similarities are pure coincidence.

I and the distribution of upvotes/down votes disagree

Ew a redditor

then he's standing alone in his formal suit, framed as the only rational thinker in an exotic desert.

I saw it as two different people.

His hair and face seems different, with a darker tone.
I see it as Westernised non-Westerner, noticing the lack of attention and support.

The British, historically known for never having committed horrible and inhuman atrocities throughout the world and treating India with exploitation and contempt.

Bullshit, its about screaming genocide & murdering millions which is just a complete historical & factual lie. History is, rewriting it to fit some revisions nationalistic agenda is foul.

I'm not proud of it!

"Starvation of anyhow underfed Bengalis is less serious than that of sturdy Greeks” and that Indians were, in any case, “breeding like rabbits" - Winston Churchill

https://theconversation.com/churchill-and-india-imperial-chauvinism-left-a-bitter-legacy-36452

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53405121

Also

Winston Churchill loved Hitler, sympathized with him and his book; Mein Kamf.