Also there is crossover. Even if you managed 100% green, maybe some engineer who worked on it accidentally hit some Palestinian with their car, so now the entire project is just a secret genocide.

I don't believe you.

current capitalist approaches are being exploited RIGHT NOW to consolidate wealth and power (see: kushner buying the lakers, ellison buying warner bros and thats just los angeles alone). i'd much rather have a handful of everyman freeloaders than concentrated greed.

I don't know if you just found out about a new word or what but that means specifically "untruth" which isn't something you've proven at all. You pretend that a graph showing meat production increasing proves that vegans haven't changed anything and that's about as far from proof as one can get. My term for that claim is "bullshit".

You came to this post highlighting people being shitty about social movements and you saw it as a great opportunity to be shitty about a specific social movement.

But the rich abusing policies so they get pure bail out socialism is fine. Just dont want a poor brown person to have it heavens no.

I was once explaining the upsides of UBI and someone replied "no, this would fix too many issues with capitalism, this would delay the revolution!"
Like... Dude.

Good to know I’ll always be dispirited because I’m gonna be muted and blocked.

At least I can stop pushing the rock now.

I think this applies to doomers as well. Why would they argue that there's nothing that can be done? Why pull anyone into your pit of dispair?

I'll help pull you out if you first stop resisting.

I'm the authority on my own feelings.

if you had to look up counterfactuals, you probably aren't qualified to discuss this right now.

Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly. If you wait until you feel great and have all the time in the world to ever go to the gym you might work out 1-2 days a year. If you wake up late and are tired but commit to at least going out and walking down the street and back at lunch and you do the latter more often then you'll be way ahead of the former situation. Maybe different strokes for different folks. Perfectionism ruins a lot of dreams and ambitions of people that would accomplish a whole lot more if they just stopped overthinking about it and learned to leave well enough alone. Just ask any former 'gifted and talented' student.

Conscious consumption! I like it. It's a big part of what they advocate on the Frugal Friends podcast. Just need to figure out the "we have McDonalds at home" of fossil fuels. Hybrids & bikes can be a good first start.

I always think of this post whenever I hear someone dead-set on nothing less than massive, systemic change.

Ah I see, if I check my understanding of a word to confirm if I'm right, I shouldn't talk to you. Yeah that does check out actually lol. You didn't address the fact that you are overusing the word (and incorrectly) and have zero evidence for anything you're claiming at all. Stay ignorant, troll.

And anyone who believes you is unfortunate.

Haha I kind of see both your points, it kind of does the liberal thing of extending the umbrella of protection from exploitation while pushing exploitation farther to the sidelines. The worst case outcome is that you now have more defenders of the status quo, because they've got it good. Meanwhile the entire economy is still based on war and exploitation, especially of poor workers in other countries.

But then maybe if us workers here had some more breathing room (perhaps not the best choice of words...) we might also have more capacity for solidarity with those exploited workers. Who knows, but it would remedy a lot of immediate problems here anyway.

And all the trials have been very positive, so I'm inclined to give it a shot yeah.

I agreed up until the "or else" caveat at the end. Many people simply do not have the energy to be curious or proactive at any particular time. That needs to be okay, otherwise the end destination is alienating a lot of people who might agree with a cause.

Troll, it appears. But. Maybe both.

'be curious or you're blocked'

womp womp

Agreed we are

You only ever need to know one thing to cure being dispirited: we were not born like this from the beginning of time, humanity has evolved into what is now. Hence it can evolve into something better

I don’t believe that people will be better in the future anymore.

True that. Do I agree modern society has gone crazy in many fundamental ways? Hell yeah. Will I reject an opportunity to do something small that will affect only a handful of lives for just a few days based solely on that? Nope

They are not worse now than at any other time, it is not a factor

Yes and they’re still terrible

Yes and they are still capable of greatness

The easiest way to avoid freeloaders and abusers is to make services available to anyone who wants them. Then the only abuse is trying to count one person as multiple people to get an unfair amount of benefits which isn't even possible for things like universal healthcare.

Let me tell you a story that has been imprinted on me deep enough. Some time ago (not too long) there lived an Indian man who was active socially and otherwise, and he said: "Give me a hundred of truly devoted people and I will change the face of this country". Yes, people of that capability do not happen all the time one out of ten, but they still do. Question is, am I working towards them finding the right people at the right time or not. No matter if I see anyone coming or not, I better be working towards making good things happen

We need a word for people who are either willfully ignorant or just 'too tired for politics'. Like it's nearly the majority of people I find, but they're so used to being the default idk if they ever consider other options

Kinda like how the word 'cis' pisses people off because it makes them realize their state of being (like all states of being) is neither eternal nor predestined.

I almost want to call them 'muggles' just to spit in Rowling's face, but she really doesn't need the free advertising

I don’t believe that anymore.

I don’t like people enough to seek them out. It’s disappointing and draining.

Frugal/anti consumption. It used to be by necessity but now I continue by choice, to the point I don't really know what to spend my money on since I started earning full time adult minimum wage. Now on £29k and continue to not really know what to spend it on! I do get nice things but most of them don't really cost much. Like a cast iron pan I need once and doesn't cost much.

Infodump ahh meme

I've reached a point where I think if both the left and right tell you are wrong, you might just as well have arrived at the correct idea (usually, not always).

this should help you understand the concept

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/counterfactuals/

You claimed that rising meat production proves a random idea you had. So I don't think you actually read/understand that paper yourself. Not to mention literally zero people see value in whatever biased ass point you think you're making

I am not asking you to

Well, I know that as a fact without any need for belief

Plenty of people know facts that aren’t real. Like god.

Nope, that's belief. "I have five fingers" is not

“Humans are great” is a belief. “Greatness” is entirely subjective.

This is only valid as long as your partial/incomplete solution doesn't encourage people who would otherwise keep working on solving the whole problem to decide that since there's a solution they can just knock off for brunch and leave you to it.

Partial solutions to a polluted creek that's choked with litter? Yes please, then we can see what comes next

Placebo solutions that make people who've made no difference feel like they've done their part to fight fascism and can go back to brunch? Gtfo with that shit.

Hint: if the "problem" is a societal one, nothing you see or hear suggested by anyone who has advertisers is going to actually solve anything, and is likely to work against anyone trying an actual solution.

Things have gotten worse over my lifetime in small, almost imperceptible ways, which have all accumulated into the humungous shit sandwich we find ourselves consuming daily. The only way things will get better is in the same small, incremental way. Should we fight for more, faster, better? Absolutely! Should we let that get in the way of small wins? Hell no. It's not sexy, it feels like trudging through mud every day and requires a level of faith to believe that the small contributions each of us make will matter in the long term. But it is the only way given the realities of the world we live in. Everything else is apathy or accelerationism.

Ignoramus comes to mind

Edit: "A totally ignorant person—unknowledgeable, uneducated, or uninformed; a fool."

Yep that's the word

Sometimes layering bandaid improvements is ultimately worse than solving the problem correctly.

Look man, you’re only saving 50% of the children from starvation, so obviously your idea is bad and we should continue letting 100% of the children die until someone comes up with the perfect solution.

Often there's a break even point at greater than zero auditing where the audits start costing more than the amount of fraud, but it's surprisingly common that zero or very nearly zero auditing is actually the most efficient setup, because regular people just don't commit fraud all that often. When dealing with corporations, on the other hand....

‘Let them get a taste of how terrible those guys are, and then they’ll vote us in and our system will rise!’ is what the Weimar Republic said about the Nazis.

Never, ever assume making things worse will end up causing a few tiny problems and then everything gets better. Humans are, by and large, shockingly tolerant of rather terrible things. If you let things get worse, they will get very, very worse, and a lot of innocent people will die.

Humans are great

Now re-read my comments

“Greatness” is entirely subjective.

Not entirely. Go on and tell me is not great or is not great