If the AI is doing all the jobs we don't need a large young workforce and thus there is no underpopulation crisis

No technology has ever resulted in lighter workloads for the average person. Different, and sometimes less strenuous, but never less time consuming.

So you really want to unpack that?

Labor competition prevents productivity gains from generating excess labor in capitalist systems.

Then supply and demand must follow.

Can I just cut you off at the pass and say its a myth that you can work your way out of poverty. The system isn't set up like that.

AI is meant to automate the boring stuff so we can make art and write stories. Instead, it's been used to make art and write stories so all we're left with is the boring stuff

Isn't ai art boring and ai stories insufferable?

Why would "they" (the CEOs, tech bros, owners) be saying that?

They own the means of production. They seek to profit from it entirely. They fight tooth and nail to not be taxed for anything whatsoever. In what universe would they "give" us anything? If our current system demands 80 hours of work/week to afford to live a normal life then the world of AI will still demand that 80 hours of work/week, but now with new and improved Less Jobs!™©®

The future will not be a utopia. I'm thinking more cyberpunk with less technology. A lot of extremely poor people and a few megacorps.

Then supply and demand must follow.

Demand for human labor lowers. So they hire fewer people and capture the savings themselves.

It's never about spending more time with the family. It's all about paying less for labor.

The ruling class doesn't care.

Exactly. The system is set up so that people work for barely enough to survive. Introducing better tools doesn't give labor more free time, it gives their bosses more money. We've seen this with every technology since the cotton gin now: that's why no one imagines that AI will give people more time with their families.

Which they already optimize for. If we all make less we only widen the gap between the oligarchs and labor. Two classes that dont ever mingle anyway.

If somebody invented a machine that literally doubles worker productivity, do you think a company would just let everybody work half as much?

Washing machine.

Also, lighter work loads and less time consuming are different arguments - unless you mean no technology has ever resulted in neither, which is a rather bold statement.

A so called "solved world" is the best case scenario when it comes to AI but it's not guranteed nor can anyone give you a timeline for it.

Yes in advanced economies we have weight problems because a significant amount of people sit around all day instead of toiling the field... but what has technology done for us lately!

I worked my way out of poverty so although I agree with you, I think the wording needs specificity.

You cannot work your way out of poverty by working harder at a poverty job. You have to switch jobs and grow your skill set until you become a valuable enough commodity to trigger competition for you.

That just gets you out of poverty.

How about, instead of that, we return to feudalism? We'd all work for the technocracy in exchange the privilege of living on its land. Sound good?

I had no intention of making the claim that work could lead to wealth, and honestly don't see how my comment would lead to it.

Dish washer, laundry washer, laundry drier, lawn mower, a vehicle, there’s thousands dude.

Im saying, you can spend every day working very hard but that alone will not get you out of poverty. There are always political and social menuevrors you have to do or hit the lottery.

Pretty sure every piece of technology past the wheel can be considered to save humans time with their tasks.

No it's not. It's a tool used by PEOPLE to help with those things. AI is not creating pictures for other AI to consume yet but I appreciate your enthusiasm

Because fear sells more papers than hope

Yes, I am agreeing with you, and I figured that's what you meant. I am just clarifying for anyone else reading.

You just havent followed that path enough.

Then it takes more hours to pay for the machine.

Because you'll only get the time to spend with them; not the means to feed and house them or yourself.

That world is gone.

That cost labor to buy.

Counterpoint: The cotton gin. It was supposed to make slavery obsolete, but actually reinvigorated the practice of slavery by making slaves able to do more work.

It's a tool used by lazy and/or untalented people to take work from actual artists.

The cotton gin was supposed to make slavery obsolete.

Then everyone should be happy for the new job creators

No hate

There's two main reasons:

If the thing that takes the labour away from the workers is owned privately, it will not benefit the workers.

If we do not drastically change how the economy works, people not being able to work to exchange their labour for income means they starve and die

At this time, governments and corporations do not value people. Citizens and workers. Instead of the government supporting citizens, they're now at War with citizens by taking the rights away. Corporations, don't want to pay us or treat us humanely. They are eager to replace us.

Nobody is going to pay us to do nothing.

Everyone is going to starve and we all accept that fate?

For that you'd need to get rid of the concept of "work for a living" so that instead economic productivity is taxed and paid out to all citizens as a universal basic income. Arguably that's a long overdue change, because less human labor needed due to automation should be a good thing, not threaten workers' livelihood. But (similar to Covid) that would also put a light on those whose work we as a society value and need to keep going and the current discrepancy of how little a lot of them are paid vs the societal uselessness of a lot of those with a lot of money.

What new job creators?

I just dont believe we will ever reach consensus until a certain class of people miss a few meals.

Fear ruined me. Learn from it.

The ai over lords

They haven't created any jobs.

Because they dont own you or your heart.

I know what to do with a ruling class that doesnt care

Then then the argument isn't about jobs and feeding that narrative is unproductive

At my company

Pretty good scenario if you ask me

Ok