Love sustains us <3

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Sure

It is not. Don't fall for that defeatist bullshit.

Is there a piece of technology that doesn’t?

Even making your own wheel would cost your time first…

You're the one who asked "Why isn't anyone saying that [great labor saving technology] will give us more free time?"

Its not my fault you havent accepted youre a wage slave yet and havent become the right amount of cynical that you can recognize dripping sarcasm when its right in front of you.

You're a tool.

No the tasks increase to fill the saved time.

100%. We should be using AI as the catalyst for a new union movement

yay the whole family can starve together

Yeah, but now you've been laid off because the AI "does your job" and food and housing aren't free.

What jobs have they created?

Why constantly add more tasks? There’s only finite amount of maintenance on a house or things that need to get done.

Sounds like a great plan, but I don't understand how it would increase cash flow to the billionaires.

I thought we were talking about capitalism. I misread the comments.

Bernie Sanders says if AI is coming for workers, it should bring a four-day workweek with it | Fortune https://fortune.com/2026/09/15/bernie-sanders-ai-four-day-workweek-bill/

People are saying that if AI makes us more productive we should get our time back. They just don't capture the news cycle.

I would posit that rose-colored glasses serve the capitalist class, and that it serves the interest of labor to make realistic assessments and adjust behavior accordingly. That is a message of strategy and success.

Well even under the current framework, we just need enough people to consistently vote for left wing (i.e. not liberal and obviously not conservative) candidates, who will seek to protect workers from this situation through a variety of ways (e.g. stronger social security to eliminate the need to labour for survival, nationalisation of the companies taking the labour so the public benefits, wealth redistribution from those who have already enriched themselves on the back of others' work)

Failing that, history gives some examples of more extreme measures that can be employed

well a fair amount involving data centres and memory to start with…

So basically nothing.

In your hypothetical... will we, whose job AI replaced, get paid still? If not, then fuck AI replacing jobs because I won't have the time you think I'll have to spend with family since I'll be frantically trying to find a job to pay the bills.

Every job lost at the expense of AI needs to be taxed and those taxes applied to UBI.

i just said to start with, do you want me to do your research for you?

That's why you're not a billionaire.

We need to upend the system where you can literally only succeed by being evil

If AI is doing all the jobs, then those who used to do those jobs are now unemployed and broke, but at least they can spend more time with their family, outdoors, at the homeless camp.

Billionaires make pretend money from stock increases in their portfolios, and then they borrow real money against those phantom funds.

They don't really have to sell a product to consumers, they just need to manipulate the markets to keep increasing. There are lots of ways to do that without actually selling to broke citizens - layoffs, austerity programs, announcement of technology breakthroughs, fraud, PR campaigns, etc.

Buy stock in Homelessness, it's going to be booming!

My heart doesn't put food on the table and I do it only through selling my labor, which is what capitalists buy from me. So in very significant way they do own me because without them I can't afford to live.

Before washing machines, people would hand off washing to professionals. Now the expectation is that the person who can afford it must wash things themselves. More time spent on that.

No it isn't. Well it is but lazy and untalented people have been doodling for ever, actually creative and talented people are using it too. And no, I'm not going to "prove it" because whatever I post you will say it's crap, even if it's actually by Picasso.

I think OP simply has very poor reading comprehension.

My heart requires food and a semi-stable mental state to do the job well. Right now that means selling my hours to them. Whether they 'own' me or not is irrelevant.

I mean, this read sarcastic, but it seems Lemmy disagrees.

There is a massive gap between rose tinted glasses and crippling nihilism. By your last comment it seems that we are both somewhere in between.

What I wrote is true, but it does not mean that it is all roses or even anywhere near as friction free as it once was, but you absolutely can still find success in this shitshow.

What you responded is also true. We need strong labor (amongst many other things) and a realistic view of the current state of our society before we can make any headway.

The point I wanted to make is that it does not serve one's self to throw their hands up in the air, exclaim that there is no point, wait for society to magically fix itself, and do nothing but complain on the Internet.

I believe that we are stronger and more resilient than we give ourselves credit for, and maybe that's where I concede I might have rose tinted glasses.

Doodling isn't lazy. You're actively creating art whether it's good or not. AI cannot create art, it can only copy art. If I copy Picasso, should my "art" be respected the same as Picasso's?

I am an artist, went to school for it and everything. You wouldn't be able to "prove it" because I actually know art. AI "art" isn't creative, it's just worse mimicking than a person could do.

Better technology frees more time for other tasks. Whether that's work or leisure depends on the individual. Everyone has the same 24 hours a day independent of how you use them. Most people don't just sit and do nothing. To even suggest that things like an electric stove, washing machine, lawnmower or a bicycle aren't saving people real time on tasks they'd have to do either way is ridiculous.

My heart is the only thing worth buying.

Same thing we do with a drunken sailor.

Ah, my terseness didn't serve either of us. My apologies!

The point I wanted to make is that it does not serve one's self to throw their hands up in the air, exclaim that there is no point, wait for society to magically fix itself, and do nothing but complain on the Internet.

I believe that we are stronger and more resilient than we give ourselves credit for,

We are in perfect alignment, here.

and maybe that's where I concede I might have rose tinted glasses.

No, the preceding statement is true and correct, in my estimation. The only issues would be will and focus, and with practice, these are remedied.

Edit to add: all this presumes upwardly mobile jobs are actually available, the body and mind meet the physical and intellectual requirements, and transportation isn't an issue.

And Bernie has never been able to hold back the tide on anything because he is easily duped and no one will ever side with him.

Its their reason for being, no?

Nowadays I'm self-employed but back in my previous job I was paid by the hour. I earn exactly the same amount of money independent of whether I spend the whole day cutting steel with a hacksaw or an angle grinder but from my perspective as an employee, the angle grinder sure saves me a ton of effort. Same applies to other tools, better workwear and so on. Yeah, I don't get to go home at 12pm because the better tools were so much faster but it sure made the 8 hours I spent at the jobsite that much less unpleasant. Naturally that is even more so the case now that I'm the beneficiary of the work that got done quicker.

I honestly can't believe how cynical some people are here. I truly don't envy you.

I've heard conversations of this sort, pretty sure we've seen utopic books in this direction.

Agreed

Ok, we will just do jobs as a function of being alive forever. Glad its settled.

Lets all recollect our readings of "the giver".

Everyone else has less so inherently they have more. We good?

I dunno... cotten gin jobs?