I replied to someone saying that the USSR defeated the Nazis saying that it was a group effort. Got into an argument and called a Nazi repeatedly because "I was mad that the USSR defeated the Nazis and hated them for it" which is ridiculous. This isn't the first time that's happened on Lemmy. What's up with that?

Sometimes a user's views don't align with the echo chamber they are posting in. When that happens in a political community, it usually ends in removal to protect said echo chamber.

I never see anyone get called a Nazi in cat picture communities.

Which worldnews? IIRC there are multiple communities called that way.

Also you should stop using Facebook and Tiktok, it's not good for your brain and for democracy.

Which worldnews? IIRC there are multiple communities called that way.

worldnews@lemmy.ml

Also you should stop using Facebook and Tiktok, it's not good for your brain and for democracy.

What does Facebook and tiktok have to do with anything?

This isn’t the first time that’s happened on Lemmy. What’s up with that?

It was lemmy.ml/worldnews...

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=24410054

If you go to settings you should be able to block an entire instance and then won't see them on /all

There's a couple instances that always moderate like that. But you're better off just hanging out, finding out for yourself, and then blocking what you don't agree with.

But there's another that bans people for downvoting AI, but only for a few days so people come back to be trolled. And at least one that bans anyone who tries to take anything seriously.

Stop looking at Lemmy as a single thing, there are dozens of instances acting largely autonomously and if one fucks up, make sure you call out that one and not the entire fediverse.

Sometimes a user's views don't align with the echo chamber they are posting in. When that happens in a political community, it usually ends in removal to protect said echo chamber.

So just like reddit? That's disappointing.

I never see anyone get called a Nazi in cat picture communities

Fair enough. I just thought it was weird to get called a Nazi for disagreeing that the USSR didn't singlehandedly defeat the Nazis.

worldnews@lemmy.ml

You're supposed to block them.

What does Facebook and tiktok have to do with anything?

It's web sites for idiots, like the .ml users.

If you go to settings you should be able to block an entire instance and then won't see them on /all

Thanks

Stop looking at Lemmy as a single thing, there are dozens of instances acting largely autonomously and if one fucks up, make sure you call out that one and not the entire fediverse.

Fair enough. The way Lemmy works is kinda confusing.

lemmy.ml is a tankie instance. Anyone and anything from there can be disregarded entirely.

Just remember to block .ml and you should be fine! Not many others ban you for speaking.

Rule 1 in .ml is to not disagree with the tankies, so better avoid that place.

Lemmy was started by authoritarian communists (often called tankies) who got banned from Reddit, so they are generally more abundant here. They have their own alternate version of reality where the USSR was the most perfect society to ever exist and the west is the source of all evil in the world.

There are a few instances (aka servers) they tend to congregate on, but the main one is Lemmy.ml. It was the first server made so despite its extreme ideological slant, it still has a lot of subscribers. Just avoid any communities on Lemmy.ml and this shouldn't happen anymore.

Ya the guys in Lemmy.ml tend to be pretty weird like that. They aren't a monolith but in general they tend to think that Russia, China, and North Korea have never done anything bad and that all the evil in the world comes from capitalism in europe and America and that the whole world will be fixed when The Revolution comes. It is all sort of like evangelical Christianity with the numbers filed off, the president of the United States is like an appointed satan (appointed, not elected, they don't believe elections work/are real in the west) who rules over hell which is the west (sometimes stylized as "Amerikkka", often accompanied by an American flag emoji with a fire emoji on top of it or a jpeg of a Chinese emperor shooting a fireball), Karl Marx is sort of like Jesus and mao, lenin, Stalin, etc. are the disciples, and The Revolution is the rapture. It is a pretty interesting belief system and I think the .ml guys all mean well, but they can be really difficult to talk to sometimes, as you've seen.

You know how multiplayer games can have different servers with different rules and people? Same thing.

So just like reddit? That's disappointing.

Remember this is just Reddit for people who think they are better than redditors

I wish I didn't get ip banned on Reddit.

It's people using a discussion platform to talk like people do. That's been going on much longer than Reddit. And they always think they're better than the other ones. Again, people being people.

Was this on .ml? The’re just a bunch of wannabe communist posers and the biggest collection of mentally handicapped authoritarians social media has ever seen.

You were given a gift. Now see it through and block that shirhole of an instance.

Like with the assholes that run LateStageCapitalism.

Already did. They're nuts.

This post is better suited for !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com.

Just so you know, that community (really instance) is so biased they literally won't allow any criticism of your home instance...

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/39126561?scrollToComments=true

If a place to highlight mod abuse only allows posts they agree with, it's propaganda.

Like, of all the communities that bias would be a problem, a place to complain about moderation is probably where it's the biggest problem.

That being said, there's a fair chance you were already aware of that and have somehow rationalized it being ok

the total USSR causalities were around 27 million, western allies casualties were a combined 1.7 million in all theaters.

calling it a 'group effort' does imply an equal contribution, which is what gets peoples hackles up.

There are schools of thought here and the tankies add their own brand of insanity to it. The Soviets contributed the most and lost the most. Without the Eastern front, the war couldn't have been won.

Some groups and servers have a very lose connection to reality. Get used to it.

You're better off blocking Lemmy.ml

no idea. yeah everyone knows they allied with them initially and then had to fight when germany attacked them. I mean lets not forget that western powers where appeasing until like poland and the us came latest of all. But you would have to be an idiot to not see that it was the us that tipped the scales and basically stopped them.

The Soviet tendency to throw bodies at a problem until it went away is largely to blame for their high casualties though. And without allied support they'd have lost even more.

They only lost the most due to their tendency to throw bodies at a problem until it went away. They didn't have to lose so many.

Sadly not true. It’s explain some but not all of their loss

They were severely under equiped. Hitler sent almost everyone east near the end. As with most things, the issue is complex and multifaceted.

Ah shit, I think I was the guy you responded too! Sorry about what happened. I upvoted your reply. You are right, the Soviets had a lot of help. I just meant they bore most of the brunt of the war in Europe and that I, as an 80s kid, was never taught this in history class.

No, it wasn't you. These guys were calling me a Nazi for saying it was a group effort.

One was called EmmiLime and the other was Gary_Host_Laptop

It also goes to show how the USSR needed the help and without it being a group effort the citizens of the USSR would have suffered even more.

Was this ml? I was banned for saying NATO was a defensive alliance.

Lend-lease went a long way towards remedying that, though. Hence my entire group effort argument. The Russians rolled into Berlin in Studebakers after all.

i got site banned from reddit for posting a picture of my cat on my porch.

by the 'cats can't ever be outside' people reporting my post as violence.

there are extremist nutcases in every community. the problem is they are hypocritical bad faith actors, almost always. who feel anyone that represents anything they dislike means they should have free reign to abuse and harass those people.

Yep. Seems to be a running theme over there.

The Soviet tendency to throw bodies at a problem

that is just dehumanizing. the front was extremely brutal and most of the fighting and dying happened there as a result.

stalingrad was where things turned in 1942-1943, lend lease was arriving but was not exactly significant until after 1943. soviet commanders did acknowledge the value of the lend lease, but the way it's been spun since then is like someone showing up to a group project late, doing a fraction of the work and trying to claim the spotlight afterwards.

that is just dehumanizing

The USSR was good at that

but the way it's been spun since then is like someone showing up to a group project late, doing a fraction of the work and trying to claim the spotlight afterwards.

Sure, if you ignore North Africa, Western Europe, and the Pacific Theatre.

This whole "the US showed up late and claimed victory" narrative is just as stupid as acting like the USSR didn't do anything.

My time on Lemmy drastically improved when I blocked the "Tankie Triad", which is Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Lemmy(dot)ml. I also unsubscribed from anything .ml and manually searched for the next most-popular non-tankie community for that topic.

I don't care if you have different beliefs than me, but tankies are unreasonable, trolling, and biased, in both content and moderation. They're not around to discuss anything in good faith...

Yeah, those places should be covered by the FAQ or something.

A much better solution would be for every other instance to just defederate them.

What kind of a person reads about a huge number of dead humans and thinks "ah, a contribution to the war effort". That explains so much, really.

i'm not going to deny that the USSR would have suffered more without lend-lease, but that's true of any alliance member receiving material support.

the issue i see is that when people talk about this, 27 million to 1.7 million loss ratio gets passed through the narrative and emerges as an equal partnership. Yes the USSR got like 10 billion in material from the US, but the eastern front was 70-80% of the entire german war effort. The lend lease didn't even arrive in significant amounts until after the battle for stalingrad.

the OOP comment that OP replied to was this, on the subject of how the US hasn't won a war:

they [the US] didn’t win wwii, the soviets did.

d-day could not have happened without the soviets turning the tide on their own. you can call it a group effort but that makes it sound like it was equal participation.

Sure, if you ignore North Africa, Western Europe, and the Pacific Theatre.

27 million to 1.7 million losses in all theaters. the eastern front was 70-80% of the entire german war effort. The lend lease didn’t even arrive in significant amounts until after the battle for stalingrad.

the original comment you replied to that started this off was this:

they [the US] didn’t win wwii, the soviets did.

you have managed to really move the goalposts in your pity thread

The USSR having no concern for their own fighting men is not a plus towards this argument. Germany lost 3-4 million on that front. 3-4 million in comparison to 27 million shows that the Soviet strategy of throwing wave after wave of bodies was a bad strategy.

Look at the mods. It's a tankie bar.

honestly an incredible comment to make while the OP is talking about "The Soviet tendency to throw bodies at a problem", just feels performative.

the point was that the eastern front was 70-80% of the german war effort and OP was replying to someone saying:

they [the US] didn’t win wwii, the soviets did.

the 27 million includes approximately 16-19 million civilians who were systematically exterminated or died under occupation.

blaming soviet military strategies for those deaths is historically illiterate. the nazi invasion was explicitly genocidal in intent, those civilians weren't casualties of soviet tactics.

Okay? That still doesn't mean that the Soviets won the war singlehandedly, which is the argument that was being made. Around 11 million Soviet soldiers and sailors were lost. The only excuse for that is strategy. Losing 11 million to 4 million is , frankly, awful and the only reason they didn't lose completely was that they had the numbers.

If you check the mod logs, it’s not even the mods that run their own instances. It’s mostly the admins.

Fitting in an authoritarian shithole, isn’t it?