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blinfabian feddit.nl ![]() blinfabian@feddit.nl Joined: 2025-03-03 |
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RustyNova lemmy.world ![]() RustyNova@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-11-24 |
Ahem... nix fixes that |
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esc piefed.social esc@piefed.social Joined: 2026-03-24 |
Ahem... nix fixes that
Nix fixes kernel updates? How? |
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blinfabian feddit.nl ![]() blinfabian@feddit.nl Joined: 2025-03-03 |
Ahem... nix fixes that
i wouldn't know, im arch-based :3 |
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esc piefed.social esc@piefed.social Joined: 2026-03-24 |
i wouldn't know, im arch-based :3
You can use pacman hooks to backup and then restore modules pre and post kernel upgrade. I've used it for some time, it bothered me so I've started to think about how to make it better (use btrfs features) but in the end just returned to reboot after upgrade scheme. |
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ferret sh.itjust.works aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-07-18 |
Nix fixes kernel updates? How? I know how it can be done on arch, but it's sort of hack.
the nix docs explain it well, but the tldr is by being clever ;) it’s not one magic bullet |
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printf("%s", name); piefed.blahaj.zone ![]() akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2026-03-30 |
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esc piefed.social esc@piefed.social Joined: 2026-03-24 |
the nix docs explain it well, but the tldr is by being clever ;) it’s not one magic bullet
Quick search doesn't show anything, I mean it should be one bullet, what's the solution? Bind mounts? |
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RustyNova lemmy.world ![]() RustyNova@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-11-24 |
Nix fixes kernel updates? How? I know how it can be done on arch, but it's sort of hack.
If there is a broken kernel, you can just revert to the previous version of the system |
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NutinButNet hilariouschaos.com NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com Joined: 2024-08-26 |
Had some major problems this last update on mine when the kernel update went through. Turned out that my motherboard needed an update that was causing incompatibilities. |
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Err(()).unwrap() Moderator rtxn@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-24 |
This update is weird, did they put AI in my kernel?
(we got a new GEMINI episode before GTA 6) |
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MentalEdge sopuli.xyz ![]() MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Is this some joke I have too many known-good btrfs snapshots to understand? |
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esc piefed.social esc@piefed.social Joined: 2026-03-24 |
If there is a broken kernel, you can just revert to the previous version of the system
That's not a broken kernel problem. 😉 |
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Zwiebel feddit.org Zwiebel@feddit.org Joined: 2024-06-23 |
If there is a broken kernel, you can just revert to the previous version of the system
That's not a fix just a workaround Also what distro can't do that? Fedora for example keeps the last three kernel versions by default |
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Otter lemmy.ca ![]() otter@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-05 |
Ahem... nix fixes that
Snapshots in general IMO, like say cachyOS + limine + snapper Snapper creates snapshots when updating, and if you ever get a bad boot, you shut off and pick an earlier snapshot in the initial boot menu. It's one of the options you can pick during the initial setup, if I recall correctly, so you don't need to set it up yourself and risk making mistakes |
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CameronDev programming.dev CameronDev@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-18 |
I haven't had a failed kernel update in years. Used to happen very occasionally with nvidia drivers, but honestly haven't hit it in ages even with nvidia drivers. |
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justme lemmy.dbzer0.com justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-04-17 |
Ahem... nix fixes that
that sounds really funny, because here "nix" is a colloquial expression for "nothing" |
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rumschlumpel feddit.org rumschlumpel@feddit.org Joined: 2024-06-23 |
Can't say I've experienced that. Is this one of those Arch things? |
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Pope-King Joe lemmy.world ![]() popekingjoe@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Me with Manjaro and an Nvidia graphics card. |
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neclimdul lemmy.world neclimdul@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Can't say I've experienced that. Is this one of those Arch things?
I've had more failed kernel updates on Ubuntu... though even that was years ago at this point. i use arch btw. |
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Wildmimic anarchist.nexus ![]() Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus Joined: 2025-09-05 |
The only system updates that ever went wrong on my Nobara were borked because i ran out of space on /boot. On a sidenote: seriously, why did Nobara 40 / Fedora 40 create the boot partition with a default size of 1GB? With Nvidia drivers this is not even enough for more than the rescue environment, the last 2 good configs and the new update, while also not limiting the amount of old configs to a sane amount. Can't even resize the partition outside of nuking the whole drive. Nowadays you can save space by not putting nvidia stuff on /boot as long as you are not using LUKS, but ... |
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Seralth piefed.seralth.com ![]() Seralth@piefed.seralth.com Joined: 2026-10-04 |
I haven't had a failed kernel update in years. Used to happen very occasionally with nvidia drivers, but honestly haven't hit it in ages even with nvidia drivers.
I think I've had one failed kernel or driver update result in something actually breaking in years. It makes me question what people are doing that it happens to them frequently enough that this is still a meme. |
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MyNameIsRichard lemmy.ml ![]() MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-07 |
I think I've had one failed kernel or driver update result in something actually breaking in years. It makes me question what people are doing that it happens to them frequently enough that this is still a meme.
Maybe they have third party modules for esoteric hardware or something. |
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Kristell herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol ![]() klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol Joined: 2026-01-13 |
Usually I only remember to restart after an update because my USB drives stop working :D |
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Schiffsmädchenjunge sh.itjust.works ![]() Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-04-12 |
Can't say I've experienced that. Is this one of those Arch things?
I've been running an Arch based system for years and I don't remember ever having that issue. |
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jrgd lemmy.zip ![]() jrgd@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-03 |
The only system updates that ever went wrong on my Nobara were borked because i ran out of space on /boot. On a sidenote: seriously, why did Nobara 40 / Fedora 40 create the boot partition with a default size of 1GB? With Nvidia drivers this is not even enough for more than the rescue environment, the last 2 good configs and the new update, while also not limiting the amount of old configs to a...
It was proposed and implemented in 43 as it was noticeably becoming a problem around that point in time. Upstream Fedora does limit to three configs plus rescue in GRUB by default. Does (or at least did) Nobara stray away from this? |
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fedditter feddit.org fedditter@feddit.org Joined: 2025-05-01 |
Is this some joke I have too many known-good btrfs snapshots to understand?
Its just Microsoft AI propaganda to discredit Linux. Buy Microsoft Products!!1!! Where an update never breaks the system!!1! |
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straussbelial lemmy.world ![]() straussbelial@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-06-14 |
I think OP misspelled Winslop |
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blinfabian feddit.nl ![]() blinfabian@feddit.nl Joined: 2025-03-03 |
Usually I only remember to restart after an update because my USB drives stop working :D
i know i need to update nvidia drivers when my screen starts flickering :3 |
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Wildmimic anarchist.nexus ![]() Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus Joined: 2025-09-05 |
It was proposed and implemented in 43 as it was noticeably becoming a problem around that point in time. Upstream Fedora does limit to three configs plus rescue in GRUB by default. Does (or at least did) Nobara stray away from this?
Nope, but with 3 configs + rescue creating the 4th failed thanks to the added space the nvidia drivers need, which happened before removing the oldest one (which then never happened because the whole thing got stuck) Edit: This only started after Nvidias Driver increased in size due to the updates around explicit sync - the first few months updating was no issue, which was extra sneaky lol |
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raspberriesareyummy lemmy.world raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
I haven't had a failed kernel update in years. Used to happen very occasionally with nvidia drivers, but honestly haven't hit it in ages even with nvidia drivers.
Same, only nvidia drivers (sometimes Wifi) have ever been an issue |
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TrickDacy lemmy.world ![]() TrickDacy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-27 |
Using linux makes you forget that drivers are even a thing. |
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87Six lemmy.zip 87Six@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-09-19 |
This update is weird, did they put AI in my kernel? (we got a new GEMINI episode before GTA 6)
Potatoes: WHERES THE FUCKING SOL Linux: WHERE'S MY FUCKING KERNEL UPDATE |
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bluesquid0741b aussie.zone bluesquid0741b@aussie.zone Joined: 2026-04-27 |
The only time I've had breaking, post-update issues was a brief run with Manjaro around 2019. |
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thezeesystem piefed.blahaj.zone thezeesystem@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-11-25 |
Wait that's a thing? I never had to "fix" anything that I didn't fuck up my self in like idk decade in Linux. I don't really do anything fancy or nifty just games and the web. Upgraded and didn't think about it. |
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BradleyUffner lemmy.world BradleyUffner@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
Wait that's a thing? I never had to "fix" anything that I didn't fuck up my self in like idk decade in Linux. I don't really do anything fancy or nifty just games and the web. Upgraded and didn't think about it.
Linux is notorious for breaking audio after updating / rebooting. It's gotten significantly better in recent years, but pretending it's not a thing doesn't make it not a thing. |
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Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ piefed.zip ![]() Sxan@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-06-18 |
Can't say I've experienced that. Is this one of those Arch things?
Yes. Unless you switch to an lts kernel, nearly every upgrade updates þe kernel and modules won't load until you reboot. Sometimes it's ok for a while because you've already loaded every module you need, but IME eventually stuff stops working and þe root cause is However, you can switch to linux-lts and it dramatically reduces þe need to reboot after an update. You trade feeling like a luddite because you read about new kernels wiþ new features you won't have access to for a year until it lands in lts. Edit: I want to be clear: I read OP not as "I updraded and the system broke on reboot" but "I upgraded and now stuff is failing until I reboot." Oþer comments seem to interpret it as upgrading breaks rebooting. |
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Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ piefed.zip ![]() Sxan@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-06-18 |
I used to want an SGI so badly, I still feel þe echos of þat desire today. |
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thezeesystem piefed.blahaj.zone thezeesystem@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-11-25 |
Linux is notorious for breaking audio after updating / rebooting. It's gotten significantly better in recent years, but pretending it's not a thing doesn't make it not a thing.
Oh right that was a problem like a couple times a while ago but it fixed it self somehow? Honestly I'm not that familiar with fixing or things In Linux. I just use it and not mess with anything. |
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northernlights lemmy.today ![]() northernlights@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-10-05 |
Linux is notorious for breaking audio after updating / rebooting. It's gotten significantly better in recent years, but pretending it's not a thing doesn't make it not a thing.
25 years on Linux and I've never heard of that but ok |
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printf("%s", name); piefed.blahaj.zone ![]() akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2026-03-30 |
I used to want an SGI so badly, I still feel þe echos of þat desire today.
Sweet! Are they still available? |
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7U5K3N lemmy.dbzer0.com 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-03-19 |
Usually I only remember to restart after an update because my USB drives stop working :D
My computer won't run veracrypt or launch some java apps. So I'll reboot when that happens. Haha |
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JasonDJ lemmy.zip JasonDJ@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-01-16 |
Using linux makes you forget that drivers are even a thing.
Not if you use FIPS kernels. Nvidia makes sure of that. |
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alpine_jim piefed.social alpine_jim@piefed.social Joined: 2026-07-12 |
Yes. Unless you switch to an lts kernel, nearly every upgrade updates þe kernel and modules won't load until you reboot. Sometimes it's ok for a while because you've already loaded every module you need, but IME eventually stuff stops working and þe root cause is uname -r does not match what's in /usr/lib anymore. However, you can switch to linux-lts and it dramatically reduces þe need to reboo...
neither case happens in my experience. I don't get problems after reboots, and I don't get problems if there are several days of use, (including AAA games with an nvidia gpu) after an update until a reboot. |
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HouseWolf pawb.social ![]() HouseWolf@pawb.social Joined: 2025-06-12 |
I'll assume op is an Nvidia user since the only times I've had driver issues after an update was the few months when I still had a GTX card. Switched to AMD and literally no issues the last 2 years. |
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tortina_original lemmy.world tortina_original@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-30 |
Linux is notorious for breaking audio after updating / rebooting. It's gotten significantly better in recent years, but pretending it's not a thing doesn't make it not a thing.
Huh? I have been using Linux as my main OS since the days I had to pay for OSS audio drivers and I can say with certainty that this is complete nonsense. |
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CameronDev programming.dev CameronDev@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-18 |
I think I've had one failed kernel or driver update result in something actually breaking in years. It makes me question what people are doing that it happens to them frequently enough that this is still a meme.
Maybe they have shitty distros? Yeah, I don't get it either tbh. |
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BradleyUffner lemmy.world BradleyUffner@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
Huh? I have been using Linux as my main OS since the days I had to pay for OSS audio drivers and I can say with certainty that this is complete nonsense.
I wish everyone could live in the perfect bubble you've built, but out here in reality it's pretty well known problem. |
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Rekorse sh.itjust.works Rekorse@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-08-30 |
I'll assume op is an Nvidia user since the only times I've had driver issues after an update was the few months when I still had a GTX card. Switched to AMD and literally no issues the last 2 years.
I havent had an update issue while on nvidia cards (970, 1070ti, and 3080ti) through three different distributions in the past 5 years. I think this is just meant to be a funny meme about how things used to be. |
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ozymandias117 lemmy.world ozymandias117@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-22 |
Usually I only remember to restart after an update because my USB drives stop working :D
I'd guess Arch or a derivative user? |
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Ricky Rigatoni piefed.zip ![]() RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip Joined: 2026-02-14 |
Literally doesn't happen to anyone using normal hardware. |
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