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Honytawk discuss.tchncs.de Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2026-02-20
#52 · Quote Reply

Haha. As a consultant, I worked on a crapton of IoT projects. Not a single one could explain WHY they needed all that data. If you're just storing user actions, it's not really useful, or actionable. I made coffee at 8:03 am on Tuesday, did laundry at 2:39.873 pm on a Saturday, or opened the fridge door at 6pm and closed it at 6:02pm. So what.

The more info they have about you, the worse it gets.

And even if the company just uses your right to privacy just to make money through ads. You can be sure they will get hacked by people with even less morals.

They can use all that data to open a bank account on your name and commit tons of tax fraud.

Who do you think they will arrest? That is right, you.

And getting out of that will always cost you tons of time, effort and money. So good luck.

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Honytawk discuss.tchncs.de Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2026-02-20
#53 · (edited) Quote Reply

Regardless if this is true or not I will never buy a “smart” device again. Why does my refrigerator need internet connection to cool my food?!?!

The smart part isn't the problem.

The internet connection is.

Use smart devices on protocols like Z-Wave or Zigbee, which set up their own separate network. And then prevent the controller from ever reaching the internet so none of the devices can access it. Through things like Mac Blacklisting.

You will still be able to access everything while on your local network.

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Honytawk discuss.tchncs.de Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2026-02-20
#54 · Quote Reply

"We value your privacy - give it to us"

"We value your privacy. We sell it to the highest bidder for a lot of moolah"

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diaphragmwp discuss.tchncs.de diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2026-06-03
#55 · (edited) Quote Reply

Sounds like a generic botnet along with TVs, app based home cameras, routers and such.


Anyways, I remember some old story I've read, not idea if true or not, but someone was going over .sh files of a past employer and one of them telneted into a coffee machine (that reportedly nobody else knew had telnet) and made it brew coffee in just the right timing for the person to walk there and put a cup in the machine for coffee to start pouring right away. I guess that's one actually good use for a "smart coffee machine"... Or they could wait. Unless they are paid hourly and the coffee break isn't included, somehow.

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Dozzi92 lemmy.world Dozzi92@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-02
#56 · Quote Reply

Haha. As a consultant, I worked on a crapton of IoT projects. Not a single one could explain WHY they needed all that data. If you're just storing user actions, it's not really useful, or actionable. I made coffee at 8:03 am on Tuesday, did laundry at 2:39.873 pm on a Saturday, or opened the fridge door at 6pm and closed it at 6:02pm. So what.

Until you're wanted for murder and your fridge habits prove your alibi and you're exonerated.

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Dozzi92 lemmy.world Dozzi92@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-02
#57 · Quote Reply

Regardless if this is true or not I will never buy a “smart” device again. Why does my refrigerator need internet connection to cool my food?!?!

I just worry we're not going to have a choice.

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President sh.itjust.works President@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-05-07
#58 · Quote Reply

Until you're wanted for murder and your fridge habits prove your alibi and you're exonerated.

Be honest, that would get dismissed.

But if it proved you were are the crime scene however....

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TubularTittyFrog lemmy.world TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-02-23
#59 · (edited) Quote Reply

Haha. As a consultant, I worked on a crapton of IoT projects. Not a single one could explain WHY they needed all that data. If you're just storing user actions, it's not really useful, or actionable. I made coffee at 8:03 am on Tuesday, did laundry at 2:39.873 pm on a Saturday, or opened the fridge door at 6pm and closed it at 6:02pm. So what.

they can sell the data. that's what.

all those habits will be used to build a profile used to create a custom marketing ads for you.

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#60 · Quote Reply

Was it using the cloud to analyze the genome of the beans?

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#61 · Quote Reply

The smart part isn't the problem. The internet connection is. Use smart devices on protocols like Z-Wave or Zigbee, which set up their own separate network. And then prevent the controller from ever reaching the internet so none of the devices can access it. Through things like Mac Blacklisting. You will still be able to access everything while on your local network.

Still seems like another moving part that will eventually lead to my food not being cold because something broke.

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#62 · Quote Reply

The fridge app can use the phone's microphone to find out which compressor frequencies resonate loudly in the room, and avoid them. When everyone's phones are away, the fridge can pre-cool and make noise, and then go silent when someone is nearby, according to the motion detector.

Or you could just get an inverter compressor and have a quiet fridge.

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#63 · Quote Reply

So what? Well you drink coffee in the morning so it's probable that you go to the bathroom soon after. Oh your did laundry on Saturday the weekend? I bet your don't do laundry during the week because work. Maybe you won't be home around then... Opened the fridge door at 6:00 pm and it was open for 2 minutes? I bet the person is hungry. Quick flash their marketing ID with ads for fast food! Stuf...

Everything you said is true except the last part.

It's bad for the capitalistic companies to have less consumers. No condoms = more people = more consumers = more data = more $$$

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#64 · Quote Reply

Sounds like a generic botnet along with TVs, app based home cameras, routers and such. Anyways, I remember some old story I've read, not idea if true or not, but someone was going over .sh files of a past employer and one of them telneted into a coffee machine (that reportedly nobody else knew had telnet) and made it brew coffee in just the right timing for the person to walk there and put a cu...

Telnet lacks auth. It needs ssh.

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diaphragmwp discuss.tchncs.de diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2026-06-03
#65 · Quote Reply

Telnet lacks auth. It needs ssh.

Tell that to the person from the random story who left some random company, and maybe whoever designed the machine

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#66 · Quote Reply

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol

Yeah, this is what happens when you roll your own coffee protocol.

They should have just stuck to the standards.

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IamMoonPie lemmy.world IamMoonPie@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-09-09
#67 · Quote Reply

The smart part isn't the problem. The internet connection is. Use smart devices on protocols like Z-Wave or Zigbee, which set up their own separate network. And then prevent the controller from ever reaching the internet so none of the devices can access it. Through things like Mac Blacklisting. You will still be able to access everything while on your local network.

Yeahhh when I buy a fridge I don’t want to have to reconfigure my whole ding dang life just to make sure it works sort of okay and isn’t stealing my data.

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IamMoonPie lemmy.world IamMoonPie@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-09-09
#68 · Quote Reply

The fridge app can use the phone's microphone to find out which compressor frequencies resonate loudly in the room, and avoid them. When everyone's phones are away, the fridge can pre-cool and make noise, and then go silent when someone is nearby, according to the motion detector.

No just no

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Robust Mirror aussie.zone Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-06-09
#69 · Quote Reply

I just worry we're not going to have a choice.

It's a valid worry but I think there will always be companies wanting to make cheaper models. You might have less choice of brand, but probably not no choice.

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lastlybutfirstly lemmy.world lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-01-15
#70 · Quote Reply

Haha. As a consultant, I worked on a crapton of IoT projects. Not a single one could explain WHY they needed all that data. If you're just storing user actions, it's not really useful, or actionable. I made coffee at 8:03 am on Tuesday, did laundry at 2:39.873 pm on a Saturday, or opened the fridge door at 6pm and closed it at 6:02pm. So what.

So.... How do we pronounce IoT? Is it I O T or eye-aught?

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MonkderVierte lemmy.zip MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-05-30
#71 · Quote Reply

Regardless if this is true or not I will never buy a “smart” device again. Why does my refrigerator need internet connection to cool my food?!?!

The issue is actually why it needs to run a entire OS just to brew coffee with 5 or so options over remote?

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#72 · (edited) Quote Reply

Sounds like a generic botnet along with TVs, app based home cameras, routers and such. Anyways, I remember some old story I've read, not idea if true or not, but someone was going over .sh files of a past employer and one of them telneted into a coffee machine (that reportedly nobody else knew had telnet) and made it brew coffee in just the right timing for the person to walk there and put a cu...

A more legit use case is checking status. Is the coffee ready?

While I really don’t want to compliment Samsung, my “smart” range has a config to disable/enable remote operation. I can see when it’s on, what temp it is, when the oven is up to cooking temperature and when the timer goes off, I get notifications but assuming no holes or bugs it cannot be controlled remotely.

You might ask why they would ever allow “enable” but that’s a different question. They probably feel they have to because the “smart” feature costs way too much money for notifications and statuses.

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Tehdastehdas piefed.social Tehdastehdas@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-10
#73 · Quote Reply

Or you could just get an inverter compressor and have a quiet fridge.

My previous LG fridge with an inverter controlled linear compressor was loud. It liked to run the compressor at 60Hz a lot, which fit my concrete apartment badly, so I had loud spots and quieter spots. Sounded like a car was idling outside. The compressor was mounted too rigidly, so the vibration conducted to the frame, making the fridge body work as a loudspeaker diaphragm. The cold air fan was loud too, whooshing. The best feature was soft start from a short stroke, so it sneaked up to full noise over a minute.

My current similar LG likes to run the compressor at a much lower frequency, producing infrasound, below hearing range. The cold air fan is quieter but still bothersome sometimes.

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#74 · Quote Reply

Haha. As a consultant, I worked on a crapton of IoT projects. Not a single one could explain WHY they needed all that data. If you're just storing user actions, it's not really useful, or actionable. I made coffee at 8:03 am on Tuesday, did laundry at 2:39.873 pm on a Saturday, or opened the fridge door at 6pm and closed it at 6:02pm. So what.

What about people who are doing other things?

  • I’m getting dressed and would like notification when the coffee is ready
  • I’m out doing yard work, but want to be notified when the laundry is done so I can feed the next load

While I could do one thing at a time, or use a clock or at a timer, getting the notification makes it stress free

Think of it as equivalent to the dryer buzzer. It used to notify us when the laundry was done so we can start the next load, but apparently we need a more complicated way to do that

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fubarx lemmy.world fubarx@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-06-07
#75 · Quote Reply

What about people who are doing other things? I’m getting dressed and would like notification when the coffee is ready I’m out doing yard work, but want to be notified when the laundry is done so I can feed the next load While I could do one thing at a time, or use a clock or at a timer, getting the notification makes it stress free Think of it as equivalent to the dryer buzzer. It used to noti...

You can get all that locally without having everything hoovered to the cloud.

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Bytemeister lemmy.world Bytemeister@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#76 · Quote Reply

Haha. As a consultant, I worked on a crapton of IoT projects. Not a single one could explain WHY they needed all that data. If you're just storing user actions, it's not really useful, or actionable. I made coffee at 8:03 am on Tuesday, did laundry at 2:39.873 pm on a Saturday, or opened the fridge door at 6pm and closed it at 6:02pm. So what.

What kind of fucking psychopath leaves the fridge open for 2 minutes?

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flying_wotsit lemmy.blahaj.zone flying_wotsit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-01-12
#77 · Quote Reply

A more legit use case is checking status. Is the coffee ready? While I really don’t want to compliment Samsung, my “smart” range has a config to disable/enable remote operation. I can see when it’s on, what temp it is, when the oven is up to cooking temperature and when the timer goes off, I get notifications but assuming no holes or bugs it cannot be controlled remotely. You might ask why they...

assuming no holes or bugs

Well, that's the problem with IoT devices, isn't it.

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Soggy lemmy.world Soggy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#78 · Quote Reply

A more legit use case is checking status. Is the coffee ready? While I really don’t want to compliment Samsung, my “smart” range has a config to disable/enable remote operation. I can see when it’s on, what temp it is, when the oven is up to cooking temperature and when the timer goes off, I get notifications but assuming no holes or bugs it cannot be controlled remotely. You might ask why they...

A more legit use case is checking status. Is the coffee ready?

Isn't that the story of the first webcam?

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Soggy lemmy.world Soggy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#79 · Quote Reply

So.... How do we pronounce IoT? Is it I O T or eye-aught?

Rhyme with coyote.

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fubarx lemmy.world fubarx@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-06-07
#80 · Quote Reply

What kind of fucking psychopath leaves the fridge open for 2 minutes?

https://lemmy.world/post/52877231

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potustheplant feddit.nl potustheplant@feddit.nl
Joined: 2023-08-29
#81 · Quote Reply

None of the good ones involve a computer

Define computer. Good espresso machines use a PID controller and some have ways to tweak the pressure curve + other features. There are even DIY projects to make your own. I think the part that bothers you is the data collection and internet connection. That is 100% not necessary.

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diaphragmwp discuss.tchncs.de diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2026-06-03
#82 · Quote Reply

A more legit use case is checking status. Is the coffee ready? Isn't that the story of the first webcam?

Yup. xcoffee, it is called, as in coffee for X11

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potustheplant feddit.nl potustheplant@feddit.nl
Joined: 2023-08-29
#83 · Quote Reply

I feel like you’re purposefully taking that statement out of context to imply that I’m against things like the French press. We’re talking about electric coffee makers, and I’m clearly saying that they should have no internet connection.

How can I take it "out of context"? I replied to a single sentence comment and said comment is right there.

If you're only against the coffee maker having an internet connection (and I agree on that), maybe you should've phrase your comment differently, I guess.

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potustheplant feddit.nl potustheplant@feddit.nl
Joined: 2023-08-29
#84 · Quote Reply

None of them involve the internet.

Yup, on that we can agree.

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#85 · Quote Reply

A more legit use case is checking status. Is the coffee ready? Isn't that the story of the first webcam?

Plus there’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_Protocol

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#86 · Quote Reply

assuming no holes or bugs Well, that's the problem with IoT devices, isn't it.

The problem is there are easy and well understood ways to prevent that are easier and cheaper, yet manufacturers decide not to use that.

We have several local-only network protocols for exactly this. For residential use, notably Zigbee, z-wave, or Thread, and all of them have much cheaper radios than WiFi. The key benefit here is local only, no direct internet connection.

The only problem is you need a hub and historically not everyone is ready to set one up. However now that Apple, Amazon,and Google are building them into their devices, tens (hundreds?) of millions of people are already set on that

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#87 · Quote Reply

You can get all that locally without having everything hoovered to the cloud.

The point is some of the functionality is useful and desirable, even if manufacturers make poor choices in implementation

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Fmstrat lemmy.world Fmstrat@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-04-27
#88 · Quote Reply

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely think having a coffee maker connected to the internet is completely stupid and useless. I made that comment because I hate dishonesty.

Hard disagree. Built a Gaggimate, can download custom shot profiles and upload shot logs for tasting notes.

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#89 · Quote Reply

My previous LG fridge with an inverter controlled linear compressor was loud. It liked to run the compressor at 60Hz a lot, which fit my concrete apartment badly, so I had loud spots and quieter spots. Sounded like a car was idling outside. The compressor was mounted too rigidly, so the vibration conducted to the frame, making the fridge body work as a loudspeaker diaphragm. The cold air fan wa...

LG is notorious for really shitty compressors that resulted in a class action lawsuit. Not the best example

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hperrin lemmy.ca hperrin@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2024-12-13
#90 · (edited) Quote Reply

How can I take it "out of context"? I replied to a single sentence comment and said comment is right there. If you're only against the coffee maker having an internet connection (and I agree on that), maybe you should've phrase your comment differently, I guess.

The context is everything before the comment. “Coffee maker”, in this context, pretty clearly means an automatic drip-brew coffee machine.

It would be like if we were talking about basketball, and I said, “my net is made of chain, as it should be”, and you were to reply, “how dare you, nylon is a perfectly fine material for fishing nets.”

The other sentence in my (apparently single sentence) comment, “As it was for 60 years”, should also have maybe been an indicator of what I meant.

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Stolas lemmy.ca Stolas@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-08-27
#91 · Quote Reply

So did they allow it to connect to their wifi or did it somehow force itself onto their wifi?

Just curious, because it seems simple to simply not give them access and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

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iuseasahibtw ani.social iuseasahibtw@ani.social
Joined: 2026-05-11
#92 · Quote Reply

This isn't an onion article? Is Skynet trying to learn how to make the perfect cup?

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norealme lemmy.world norealme@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#93 · Quote Reply

Antivirus updates - it was Microsoft coffeemaker 🤕

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Tollana1234567 lemmy.today Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-04
#94 · Quote Reply

Antivirus updates - it was Microsoft coffeemaker 🤕

close, keurig, the worst kind of coffee machine

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potustheplant feddit.nl potustheplant@feddit.nl
Joined: 2023-08-29
#95 · Quote Reply

The context is everything before the comment. “Coffee maker”, in this context, pretty clearly means an automatic drip-brew coffee machine. It would be like if we were talking about basketball, and I said, “my net is made of chain, as it should be”, and you were to reply, “how dare you, nylon is a perfectly fine material for fishing nets.” The other sentence in my (apparently single sentence) co...

My bad, it was a single line comment. Quite a pedantic thing to remark, but ok.

“Coffee maker”, in this context, pretty clearly means an automatic drip-brew coffee machine.

I don't think anyone is disputing that or confused about it. It's precisely what my response was about.

It would be like if we were talking about basketball, and I said, “my net is made of chain, as it should be”, and you were to reply, “how dare you, nylon is a perfectly fine material for fishing nets.”

Awful analogy. The brewing method changes the taste of the cup, a lot. A more adequate comparison would be saying that there's only one way to make pizza. It's not a minor detail. Even the net thing would be a weird thing to say, though.

Seems like you where the one confused after all. Oh well.

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Hawanja lemmy.world Hawanja@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-04-27
#96 · (edited) Quote Reply

Why the fuck does a coffee maker have internet access?
What, you downloading porn with your fucking Keurig?
What the fuck is wrong with people.

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blackshirt lemmy.world blackshirt@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-06-05
#97 · Quote Reply

Regardless if this is true or not I will never buy a “smart” device again. Why does my refrigerator need internet connection to cool my food?!?!

Not defending. But it can be used to send notifications when the door is left open or the temp is too high. Same with *washers when they send you notifications when they're done or when there is an issue.

The problem is that cooperations are gready bastards, instead of using the tech to do just that, they mine it to get more out of their customers.

Look at cars, a screen is great to show reversing camera and navigation, but the greedy automakers use it to display ads, spy on your habbits, replace physical buttons, ... etc

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axx slrpnk.net axx@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2024-09-19
#98 · Quote Reply

So did they allow it to connect to their wifi or did it somehow force itself onto their wifi? Just curious, because it seems simple to simply not give them access and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

I don't know, but guessing they connected it to wifi because the thing asked / said it was part of the set up process.

Most people don't know about the garbage fire nature of connected devices.

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Jackhammer_Joe lemmy.world Jackhammer_Joe@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-26
#99 · Quote Reply

So.... How do we pronounce IoT? Is it I O T or eye-aught?

I O T

whoever says it different, is definitely a psychopath

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khaleer sopuli.xyz khaleer@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2024-06-20
#100 · Quote Reply

Why the fuck does a coffee maker have internet access? What, you downloading porn with your fucking Keurig? What the fuck is wrong with people.

I rent an apartment, and there is a fridge. Three buttons - temp up, temp down, door alarm. The fridge repeatedly asks for wi-fi access whenever I turn on bluetooth. Fucking hate those times.

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LogicOverFeelings piefed.ca LogicOverFeelings@piefed.ca
Joined: 2026-04-07
#101 · Quote Reply

Hard disagree. Built a Gaggimate, can download custom shot profiles and upload shot logs for tasting notes.

I admit, I don't drink coffee at all, but this Gaggimate thing look interesting.

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