Which one do you have a problem with? The first rule?

I decided to block the lemmy.ml instance entirely to avoid any further interaction.

Thank you ☺️

That is the instance's sidebar b██h. I followed your instructions and got there.

shame we can't block all the users of the instance too.

https://piefed.social/

uh, fyi, the mod from PTB bans people for saying 'vote'. he lets deluded ML people talk shit about how fucked up the US is, then when you reply "well fucking vote" they call you electoralists and ban you.

no where in the rules, just banned. ironic, I'd normally report such behavior to power trippin bastards but lol

Ah, I see my instructions were not clear. You did great with the first step!

So the second step, I now realize the link isn't "about this instance", but it is actually labelled "what is lemmy.ml". You can actually see it in your screenshot, right above the rules!

I'm very sorry for the confusion, I know it can be a complicated procedure.

I'm more curious how .ml users feel about that mod's idea that rape is an acceptable action to do in certain contexts, for example if a woman served in a Western military.

I can understand all their political positions and opinions but that one seems beyond the pale.

That's nothing unusual for a user who excused pedophilia and posted a fascist dogwhistle.

Aww, look at the underhanded insults 😂

Here it is. Could you enlighten me with where it says that they "support a specific political ideology and will not tolerate dissent"?

Sadly, dumb shitheads like you have no capacity to read or question anything 😢

https://lemmy.ml/post/1140303

Literally calls out "western social media"

Lol stop being dense...fucking tankies man...

Well, at least you can read subtext half the time. Probably explains why you read for calling everyone "shithead".

Astonishing creativity, by the way. Simply incredible

Learn to disagree without being rude or disrespectful.

It can be difficult sometimes, since western social media thrives on collective outrage, and they knowingly ingrain this into us for years. But please do adhere to this rule, and it will make this place much more enjoyable.

duhh, how dare these damn tankees say that western social media thrives on outrage 😤

Lol the admins for .ml are %100 tankies, calling them Marxist-leninists is just a kinder term for "western children who excuse the authoritarian actions of dictators they agree with". Trying to change history because it doesn't put russia or china in a good light or trying to call the shit they do as "western propaganda" is just being a tankie.

End of the day, you tankies want to be the ones sending others to the gulags and think you'd be in power in your coming revolution. To bad you're a microscopic portion of the population that agrees with you and your authoritarian logic.

You're just the "left" wing version of maga, ignorant and will excuse your dear leaders of any wrong doing while sticking your fingers in your ears shouting fake news.

Probably explains why you read for calling everyone “shithead”.

Yeah, you're not beating the allegations.

I don't really give a fuck about allegations from an .ml

I just don't understand why you can't stay in your little world. I stay out of yours, why you gotta bring your shit here?

The issue is you can block the .ml instance, but not their users from bleeding into other instances. On top of that .ml is a default instance, and a lot of the times trying to get people to join the fediverse, the first thing I hear from them is, no thanks it's filled with tankies.

Basically it'd be like trying to get people to join truth social because there are sane people on it but you've got maga and the orange shit turd posting crazy shit on it. Lemmy has a stain attached to it in the form of two tankie devs and a tankie instance they run.

You should toddle off now. You are clearly in over your head. Go off and play now.

What are you, 5 years old? You should not be allowed on the internet. Go tell your parents to punish you.

Why are you still here? Go home.

the left version of maga are the democrat die hards.

never met a war they didn't support when it was team blue doing it.

Naa tankies are just as bad. You excuse the invasion of Ukraine by russia and all the other countries russia wants to attack... looking like Latvia is next on putins list, and I'm sure you'll suggest they deserve it as well. You're just as war mongering as maga is.

Lol you're entire instance is just trump logic, everything that you don't like is banned and called western propaganda.

still not answering the question

This is why everyone needs to defederate from that shithole. Only everyone that had the balls to, already has. The rest of the chickenshit admins are too afraid of losing their fucked up pseudo-authoritarian wannabe-communist content to make a move.

They’ve always done this. “Rule 1”
Is pretty much a .ml meme catch all for “you aren’t allowed to use facts here. Agree or be removed”

Yep. I highly suggest anyone with a beef against these wannabe-communist douchebags post your stories there.

I’d stay away from that shithole. The mods/admins there are incredibly biased and protect known trolls from being called out.

Yeah. That entire instance has gone to shit. I have them blocked as well. They’re essentially a .ml wannabe instance.

Yeah. But .ml douchebacs still come to other instances to run their Putin-sucking mouths. It’s like whack-a-mole trying to block them all.

Buddy, that instance is run by the Lemmy devs. I agree, but I also think we're cooked.

And every user from that instance. Let them preach to their own choir. None of us need to hear that shit.

They have zero authority outside of their own shithole. Fuck those losers.

You ever wonder why they specify that other instances can have their own political views and they'd like to see someone else run a liberal instance?

It's because they have specific political views, and do not believe in the liberal notion of the right to self-determination and redress of grievances.

Fucking Christ. We aren't on .ml but you wouldn't know it from the number of people absolutely obsessed with them. Just ignore it if you don't like it. Join a de-federated instance, block the communities, whatever. Bitching here has absolutely no impact.

PieFed is leagues ahead of Lemmy at this point. The main thing that it lacks iirc is a great search function like Lemmy has. Mind you, third-party app support is minimal, but that's an issue with each one of those choosing whether or how fast to catch up, which will never end - the same as they do for Lemmy's features also.

Unfortunately PieFed by default also shadow-censors people's contributions, plus other anti-social media type features, which doesn't affect someone running their own instance (for that purpose PieFed is unquestionably far superior) but does affect anyone posting to communities located on an instance running PieFed where that opt-out feature is left enabled - including users currently on Lemmy, Mbin, Mastodon, Friendica, nodeBB, etc. Many planned migrations - both user accounts and whole communities - were cancelled as a result.

Therefore a new fork was born - not of Lemmy but of PieFed - called PyLova. Last I checked it has even more features than PieFed, though PieFed recently borrowed many (though not all) of them.

Lemmy, as far as the bleeding edge of new features is concerned, has been left behind in the dust, and seems unlikely to ever catch up (writing in the Rust language I hear is quite slow). And PieFed and even more PyLova are running circles around it.

There's also Mbin, which few people use except those who want to access both threaded conversations and user microblogging style content from the same account on the Fediverse.

There's always piefed or mbin. But until they start making our lives miserable with their code, I'm fine here.

That's your interpretation that is as valid as any. Another interpretation is that "liberal", especially from a US pov, maximizes individual liberty at the expense of collective welfare, defers quality of life to individuals rather than a responsibility of the group, and as such doesn't really care about you if you're not rich/famous/powerful. Liberalism also addresses grievances by blaming individuals and hiding them from public life, not doing much for the environment that made the problem happen in the first place.

And mbin. They have like 4 or 5 servers accepting new people. I think it's good to have multiple different softwares going on the fediverse.

There are no major Lemmy instances that defederate from Lemmy.ml in particular.

Lemmy.zip comes the closest, not fully defederating but something similar. I forget if programming.dev does similarly as well. (Edit: ah, I forgot - only 2 of the 3 tankie triad instances are thus blocked by default, so here too there are zero major instances that block Lemmy.ml in particular.)

There's also PieFed.zip by the same excellent admin team as Lemmy.zip. So Lemmy.zip and PieFed.zip are excellent general-purpose recommendations to offer to people. (Edit: despite how they don't block the triad - but at least PieFed.zip allows individual users to do so, if they wish. And after they figure out how, and that there is a need for such, which nobody it seems will officially recommend to them.)

Yeah the vast majority of criticism is completely made-up, and even after it was proven to be falsehoods nobody seemed to recant (that I saw anyway). Instead, people continue to point to the debunked conspiracy theories despite the months and months that have passed since then. It really underscores the point about how an echo chamber functions - facts truly do not matter in the slightest to some people.

And it's especially odd given how PieFed has more recently shot itself in the foot by shadow-censoring offered upvotes, but people still cite the long-debunked conspiracy theories rather than such an actual reason for criticism of the software.

Tribal. Sad(ge). Bad.

This is why all this hand-wringing over .ml's censorship is kind of silly. Because people on .ml are constantly seeing content from other instances with completely different policies

Literally nobody has ever claimed that users on Lemmy.ml are not allowed to see content on other instances - this is not merely a strawman argument but an absolutely ridiculous one.

Please don't bother to reply to this if this is the level of content that your messages will contain.

For anyone else that is curious, the complaint is about the lack of transparency in describing what content is vs. is not allowed - a community of people discussing FOSS comes nowhere close to mentioning that you are not allowed to come close to criticizing Russia, China, or North Korea - e.g. it is not allowed to state that Ukraine is not the aggressor and that rather Russia is, or to state that Uyghurs are being killed by China.

I really really really really really really really really wish that Lemmy would implement a true instance block so that I did not have to spend time reading such comments as this. But for some reason that option is denied to me. Go figure.

Tbf this is true for all instances - it is simply how the ActivityPub Protocol works. The home instance "owns" the content, so if e.g. a Lemmy.world user submits a post to a community on Lemmy.ml, then other LW users won't be able to see it if it gets removed, but the same is true vice versa if a ML user submits a post to a community located on LW.

Except it would be nice if the instances were honest about their rules, or at least that they would be described somewhere written down, rather than people having to continually find out the hard way (such as OP).

I have literally never had any disagreement on .ml where I would not describe them as being both rude and disrespectful

Not even gonna check what this is a reply to, even if you agree with me you suck for saying this lmao

Not from Voyager iirc, which also iirc is by far the most used third party app? Also, for multiple years that what is Lemmy.ml link did not work - it pointed to a post, which I think a later version of Lemmy.ml allowed communities to be made private, and then they never bothered to check what would happen for anyone not logged into a ML account, so it would just give like a 404 not found error for everyone else.

Agreed that it's not impossible to find out who they are - just that ML makes an exceedingly poor representation of the Threadiverse to people coming over here from Reddit. So when they see "death to the USA", and they are... you know, in the USA, they often nope right out and not only never come back, they spread the word to anyone who will listen that that is what "we" here who use Lemmy are.

Btw, in case you were not aware, we are a tankie bar (see: Paradox of Intolerance).

Also, despite all the curation they perform within their garden, they won't allow people to block the Lemmy.ml instance - so it's not entirely a walled garden so much as it is a delivery system for the messages shared by Lemmy.ml users.

Not only that but they explicitly said years ago that they WANTED someone to go make a liberal instance for liberals to use and do their own thing. Which is what happened. Yet people continue to throw a fit that .ml maintains its policies. The entire point of lemmy is that you can choose the instance that works best for you! The entire reason many of the original people came to lemmy was that reddit banned Marxist-Leninist (what you would call "tankie") communities. And even many just vaguely leftist spaces. So people made their own thing where no one person controls what is allowed and what isn't. That's what federation is all about. If you don't like that there are instances that disagree with you on a fundamental level and ban you for your opinions then you don't actually understand what the point of federation is to begin with. I mean ML is in the name. What did you expect?

(edit to clarify I'm asking the OP not the commenter I am agreeing with the commenter.)

What is lemmy.ml?

Recently there seems to be some of misunderstanding what the lemmy.ml instance is about, especially from newer users.

Lemmy.ml has always been a niche site, and it will most likely stay this way. We don’t have any intentions to turn it into a mainstream instance, or set a goal of getting as many users as possible. Our goal is simple: make an instance that people like to use. I would say that we have been successful in this, but obviously it is impossible to satisfy everyone.

The reason for this is that @dessalines and I are paid to develop Lemmy, while donations from lemmy.ml users only make up a negligible part of our income. Besides, having more users would force us to spend more time moderating, and less time for development. Lemmy works quite differently from big tech sites like Reddit in this regard: while they get more money with each extra user through advertising, for us it is the opposite. So we would much rather have a smaller, non-toxic, and friendly userbase, than a large one.

Part of the problem might be that lemmy.ml is described as “flagship instance”, which can certainly be interpreted to mean “mainstream” or “general purpose”. I struggle to come up with a better, more accurate description. If you can think of one, please comment here.

If you dont like the way lemmy.ml works, thats okay. Federation exists exactly to solve that problem, let different groups have their own instances, with their own rules and political views. You can see the list of existing instances, and instructions for setting up a new one on join-lemmy.org.

In particular, I would like to see someone (or a group of people) create a mainstream, or liberal instance. That should help to avoid further drama, and avoid attempts to turn lemmy.ml into something that it is not. @dessalines and I would certainly be willing to help with any technical problems that such an instance runs into, and include it on join-lemmy.org (just like any other instance that meets the code of conduct).