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djsoren19
lemmy.blahaj.zone
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-01-13 |
Honestly. Nobody talked about ICE before 2024. Now it's a household name.
Wow just proving you're a white liberal without any immigrant friends. They've been a fucking menace since day one, but I guess since they only ever bothered brown people before it didn't matter to you. |
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0xDREADBEEF
lemmy.dbzer0.com
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2024-12-18 |
When did ICE become yet another version of Gestapo? I was going to write "instrument of opression", but state is one by definition, so need to be more specific
"Institutional violence only bad when my favorite color team hate it!" |
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iceonfire1
lemmy.world
iceonfire1@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
I don't follow this stance when looking at the image. I believe the image is saying the democrats supported ICE until 2017 through 2020, when trump was in office. Come 2021 and the democrats are back in office, they continue to fund it. During the second trump administration, they are back to denouncing ICE. I think funding is used here in the context of what the democrats were calling for duri...
Certainly ICE has shifted from its typical operation in previous administrations. The asylum policy was overhauled. Thousands more ICE agents were hired to conduct militarized raids with little to no oversight. The degree of evidence required for deportation has been lowered. Judicial review has been curtailed and ignored. These are significant changes. But the point I make is that the image presents a false premise. Democrats and Republicans agree that illegal immigration should be prevented. ICE is the agency tasked with this by each administration and it makes sense that it would be funded. Feel free to verify this against the Democratic party platform by year.
It's not so easy to prevent a future government from doing something. Even constitutional change, which is usually a very high bar, can be overruled by a judge or ignored if people allow it. Maybe the best protection is an informed, active public like in France? Not really sure -- what do you think? |
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supcoop
thelemmy.club
supcoop@thelemmy.club Joined: 2026-05-02 |
Where you even born then? Yes, I talked about it elsewhere in this post: https://crazypeople.online/comment/11609820 The same agency existed before 2003. That was just a name change. So the meme should have gone back further and said Immigration and Naturalization Service, U.S. Customs Service and assorted other government agencies? Would that be good enough for you? After 2001, everything chan...
The same problems always existing before 2003 which is my point. And every year gets worse. Every country gets worse. Every day the future gets worse and all you guys do is blame someone else. Blaming everyone else, minorities/immigrants is what got is here. Doesnt solve anything. |
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supcoop
thelemmy.club
supcoop@thelemmy.club Joined: 2026-05-02 |
That's a fair comment, I wasn't specific enough in what I meant. I don't think it's unusual for the state to suppress dissidents. That's what states do, after all! I know the internet isn't real but the only exposure I have to americans is online, and they seem to think that people criticising the democrats are russian agents. Every day americans are so eager to suppress criticism and turn on e...
I am no fan of the us and I live here. Ive hated politics my whole life. I totally get the hatred of America. I would leave if I could. And there are pockets of resistance here and I do what I can to support that even if it means voting democrat. I have to believe there is still a chance. |
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PunnyName
lemmy.world
PunnyName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-27 Banned |
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Frankly, it's incredible that's what you arrived at looking at the post. |
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SnarkoPolo
lemmy.world
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-08 |
Feel Fine, Vote Stein |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
I am no fan of the us and I live here. Ive hated politics my whole life. I totally get the hatred of America. I would leave if I could. And there are pockets of resistance here and I do what I can to support that even if it means voting democrat. I have to believe there is still a chance.
I mean this with kindness: my comment is directed only to the people who display the behavior I mention. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
The same problems always existing before 2003 which is my point. And every year gets worse. Every country gets worse. Every day the future gets worse and all you guys do is blame someone else. Blaming everyone else, minorities/immigrants is what got is here. Doesnt solve anything.
Yes, problems with borders existed before 2003. But this image is about Democrat support of ICE specifically. What type of criticism is allowed? |
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supcoop
thelemmy.club
supcoop@thelemmy.club Joined: 2026-05-02 |
Yes, problems with borders existed before 2003. But this image is about Democrat support of ICE specifically. What type of criticism is allowed?
I don't disagree with the criticism. The only thing i dislike is the implication to that "there are no good choices" and we should just give up. That's how the facists win. I also thought the meme was dumb. But tbh I was drunk. I am also new to this platform, so sorry if I fucked up the rules. It still amazed that anyone even read a comment from a noob and took the time to reply. |
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RiverRock
lemmy.ml
RiverRock@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-11-23 |
Honestly. Nobody talked about ICE before 2024. Now it's a household name.
Haha what the fuck? Really showing that you just started paying attention very recently |
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stylusmobilus
aussie.zone
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone Joined: 2025-09-20 |
I legit do not understand what that would be. If we decide to vote for a third party as an internet collective, we split the vote between internet people and normies. Mamdani won because he made national news. I have 0 DSA candidates on my ballot. What would you like me to do, if not just vote blue and pray for a better candidate
Peaceful national shutdown, the one thing very few of them talk about. They either like the excuses or the dreaming about rioting, but anything useful that requires action is anathema. It’s literally the only thing that isn’t violent and would get their Houses moving and it’d take about two weeks which isn’t even enough time to evict someone let alone starve (which they bitch about anyway) but there’s no willingness to make the effort or go through the hardship. |
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stylusmobilus
aussie.zone
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone Joined: 2025-09-20 |
Surely there is something in between rioting and a farce of an electoral process where you pick which team colour does imperialism for you.
Peaceful national shutdown, but there’s excuses why that can’t happen as well. It’d take two weeks, if around 60% in the urban areas did it. The Houses would run to impeach. |
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gwl [he/him]
lemmy.blahaj.zone
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-10-16 |
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gwl [he/him]
lemmy.blahaj.zone
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-10-16 |
Democrats are controlled opposition. It's all bullshit. Don't vote, buy a gun and ammo and practice your aim peeps
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queermunist she/her
lemmy.ml
queermunist@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
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By this logic, is dying the same as voting Republican? |
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gwl [he/him]
lemmy.blahaj.zone
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-10-16 |
By this logic, is dying the same as voting Republican?
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queermunist she/her
lemmy.ml
queermunist@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
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Okay, so, committing suicide is the same as voting Republican. |
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gwl [he/him]
lemmy.blahaj.zone
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-10-16 |
Okay, so, committing suicide is the same as voting Republican.
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m532
lemmy.ml
m532@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-06-05 |
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incomprehensible gibberish |
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EmmiLime
lemmy.ml
EmmiLime@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-03-12 |
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no, those who did not vote, did not vote. Nobody should be compelled to vote for genocide. |
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queermunist she/her
lemmy.ml
queermunist@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-10 |
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I'm pointing out the obvious logical conclusion of your argument, you just don't want to engage with it because you are arguing in bad faith. In your mind, no one has a good reason to not vote for Democrats, therefore, they are Republicans. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
Do you think what ICE is doing now is a fundamental shift from caused the initial outrage during the last admin, rather than just a jump in magnitude? Certainly ICE has shifted from its typical operation in previous administrations. The asylum policy was overhauled. Thousands more ICE agents were hired to conduct militarized raids with little to no oversight. The degree of evidence required for...
I think the false presence you are mentioning requires that readers agree that the dems were right to walk back criticism of ICE between 2018 and 2020, and that ICE as it exists from 2024-2026 deserves it this time. I'm going to assume the author does not agree with that viewpoint.
It was my understanding that there is no overall platform, but each candidate has their own platform, i.e. let's say there are 5 different dem candidates (not for the same office), they will each have their own platform which is generally expected to be in line with the leadership. Unlike in other systems, if a person wants to be associated with a party, they are expected to follow the party platform or they will be kicked out. (If they are elected they keep their position, but they are "independent".) Is that incorrect? If not, I'm not seeing the relevance of the presidential platform. I know Biden didn't support defunding ICE.
I don't disagree.
I'm not sure what the protection you are referring to is. |
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Arcanepotato
crazypeople.online
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineJoined: 2025-05-24 |
I don't disagree with the criticism. The only thing i dislike is the implication to that "there are no good choices" and we should just give up. That's how the facists win. I also thought the meme was dumb. But tbh I was drunk. I am also new to this platform, so sorry if I fucked up the rules. It still amazed that anyone even read a comment from a noob and took the time to reply.
I don't think anyone is saying there are no good choices and to just give up. If you can't talk about what's wrong, you can't fix it. |
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mfed1122
discuss.tchncs.de
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2025-03-31 |
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Your brain on Blue No Matter Who |
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AntiOutsideAktion
lemmy.ml
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-06-26 |
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When someone forces me to confront something extremely stupid I said outside of my own deliberate framing it's called bad faith. You're only allowed to talk to me in the same voice as my inner monologue. |
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AntiOutsideAktion
lemmy.ml
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-06-26 |
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removed you would phone bank for John McCain if he were alive today You've voted for a Reagan clone in every election since you joined the age of majority |
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AntiOutsideAktion
lemmy.ml
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-06-26 |
incomprehensible gibberish
Uncultured swine |
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BrainInABox
lemmy.ml
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-12-11 |
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At this point, liberals think anyone disagreeing with them is inherently bad faith |
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PunnyName
lemmy.world
PunnyName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-27 Banned |
removed you would phone bank for John McCain if he were alive today You've voted for a Reagan clone in every election since you joined the age of majority
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PunnyName
lemmy.world
PunnyName@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-27 Banned |
Frankly, it's incredible that's what you arrived at looking at the post.
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Sapphy
lemmy.ml
Sapphy@lemmy.mlJoined: 2026-09-13 |
If anything, Democrats present themselves as more competent at deporting and killing people in other countries |
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Snowclone
lemmy.world
Snowclone@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-05-30 |
this us conflating immigration agencies before Trumps ICE redirect. |
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AntiOutsideAktion
lemmy.ml
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-06-26 |
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Twerp behavior And I'm not incorrect. Unless you're lying out your ass and stayed home every election since 1980, you voted for a Reagan clone. |
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EatMyPixelDust
lemmy.blahaj.zone
EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-07-07 |
But the democrats didn't fund the same ICE as the new gestapo version of ICE now run by a fascist turnip, one that employs rape-bro psychos who shoot unarmed civilians for no good reason, one that built deliberately inhumane detention centre to illegally hold people without trial etc. |
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Shanmugha
lemmy.world
Shanmugha@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-08 |
"Institutional violence only bad when my favorite color team hate it!"
Lol. Did you even read what I said? |
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Shanmugha
lemmy.world
Shanmugha@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-08 |
Yes please
Done, see my other comments |
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Shanmugha
lemmy.world
Shanmugha@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-08 |
The day it was found.
Why didn't I hear about them ~execution~ executing wanton violence before? |
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Shanmugha
lemmy.world
Shanmugha@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-08 |
The propaganda got completely wild, but the day to day operations didn't change a whole lot, it's just more public now
Focking hell if that's true. So only thing that's changed much is that I am now more informed about what they do? (Yes, it is so hard for me to believe that I need this re-stated a few times) |
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Shanmugha
lemmy.world
Shanmugha@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-08 |
The day it was found.
Doubtful. The day it was found it was already an instrument for oppression, but just a gang of armed dumbheads with state approval of whatever they feel like doing? I am still clinging to hopeful thought that it's a "recent" development, not something that's been happening for decades |
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m532
lemmy.ml
m532@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-06-05 |
Why didn't I hear about them ~execution~ executing wanton violence before?
Because you didn't care |
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Shanmugha
lemmy.world
Shanmugha@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-08 |
Because you didn't care
Try harder. Didn't hear != didn't care |
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BrainInABox
lemmy.ml
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-12-11 |
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Go back to reddit |
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GreenBean
lemmy.today
GreenBean@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-09-01 |
Let's focus on what's going on now, shall we? Whatever happened before was what happened before. What is happening now will continue to happen if you spin info this way. Has there been any other party involved in funding? Has any of funding been included with a multitude of other items in a bill? Let's hear the whole story of every year - not just this cherry-picking intended to make the Democrats in Congress responsible for today's storm trouper ICE tactics. |
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myyass
lemmy.world
myyass@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-09-02 |
I voted for Obama because Bush signed off on the Patriot Act. Obama expanded it. How am I supposed to think after that? That's why there's all these chilly situations happening. |
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bthest
lemmy.world
bold_atlas@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-03-31 |
Let's focus on what's going on now, shall we? Whatever happened before was what happened before. What is happening now will continue to happen if you spin info this way. Has there been any other party involved in funding? Has any of funding been included with a multitude of other items in a bill? Let's hear the whole story of every year - not just this cherry-picking intended to make the Democr...
How is anyone supposed to make an informed decision without considering past events? Ignore cause and effect?
I means this is MAGA level critical thinking. |
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BilSabab
lemmy.world
BilSabab@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
I voted for Obama because Bush signed off on the Patriot Act. Obama expanded it. How am I supposed to think after that? That's why there's all these chilly situations happening.
funny thing is that he also got Nobel Peace Prize for literally nothing. Because he's a jam-up dude basically. |
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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
lemmy.world
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
funny thing is that he also got Nobel Peace Prize for literally nothing. Because he's a jam-up dude basically.
I believe this is the main reason Trump believes he deserves one too. |
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stummies
lemmy.world
stummies@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-07-31 |
Curious, what did republicans do, given they're the alternative. Not voting isn't a protest, it's a scream to be ignored completely. |
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