Wow just proving you're a white liberal without any immigrant friends.

They've been a fucking menace since day one, but I guess since they only ever bothered brown people before it didn't matter to you.

"Institutional violence only bad when my favorite color team hate it!"

Do you think what ICE is doing now is a fundamental shift from caused the initial outrage during the last admin, rather than just a jump in magnitude?

Certainly ICE has shifted from its typical operation in previous administrations. The asylum policy was overhauled. Thousands more ICE agents were hired to conduct militarized raids with little to no oversight. The degree of evidence required for deportation has been lowered. Judicial review has been curtailed and ignored. These are significant changes.

But the point I make is that the image presents a false premise. Democrats and Republicans agree that illegal immigration should be prevented. ICE is the agency tasked with this by each administration and it makes sense that it would be funded.

Feel free to verify this against the Democratic party platform by year.

If the behavior of the first admin was so abhorrent, wouldn't it be critical to ensure a future government couldn't as easily do the same or worse?

It's not so easy to prevent a future government from doing something. Even constitutional change, which is usually a very high bar, can be overruled by a judge or ignored if people allow it. Maybe the best protection is an informed, active public like in France? Not really sure -- what do you think?

The same problems always existing before 2003 which is my point. And every year gets worse. Every country gets worse. Every day the future gets worse and all you guys do is blame someone else. Blaming everyone else, minorities/immigrants is what got is here. Doesnt solve anything.

I am no fan of the us and I live here. Ive hated politics my whole life. I totally get the hatred of America. I would leave if I could. And there are pockets of resistance here and I do what I can to support that even if it means voting democrat. I have to believe there is still a chance.

Frankly, it's incredible that's what you arrived at looking at the post.

Feel Fine, Vote Stein

I mean this with kindness: my comment is directed only to the people who display the behavior I mention.

Yes, problems with borders existed before 2003. But this image is about Democrat support of ICE specifically.

What type of criticism is allowed?

I don't disagree with the criticism. The only thing i dislike is the implication to that "there are no good choices" and we should just give up. That's how the facists win. I also thought the meme was dumb. But tbh I was drunk. I am also new to this platform, so sorry if I fucked up the rules. It still amazed that anyone even read a comment from a noob and took the time to reply.

Haha what the fuck? Really showing that you just started paying attention very recently

I legit do not understand…

Peaceful national shutdown, the one thing very few of them talk about.

They either like the excuses or the dreaming about rioting, but anything useful that requires action is anathema.

It’s literally the only thing that isn’t violent and would get their Houses moving and it’d take about two weeks which isn’t even enough time to evict someone let alone starve (which they bitch about anyway) but there’s no willingness to make the effort or go through the hardship.

Peaceful national shutdown, but there’s excuses why that can’t happen as well.

It’d take two weeks, if around 60% in the urban areas did it. The Houses would run to impeach.

By this logic, is dying the same as voting Republican?

Okay, so, committing suicide is the same as voting Republican.

incomprehensible gibberish

no, those who did not vote, did not vote. Nobody should be compelled to vote for genocide.

I'm pointing out the obvious logical conclusion of your argument, you just don't want to engage with it because you are arguing in bad faith. In your mind, no one has a good reason to not vote for Democrats, therefore, they are Republicans.

I think the false presence you are mentioning requires that readers agree that the dems were right to walk back criticism of ICE between 2018 and 2020, and that ICE as it exists from 2024-2026 deserves it this time. I'm going to assume the author does not agree with that viewpoint.

Feel free to verify this against the Democratic party platform by year.

It was my understanding that there is no overall platform, but each candidate has their own platform, i.e. let's say there are 5 different dem candidates (not for the same office), they will each have their own platform which is generally expected to be in line with the leadership. Unlike in other systems, if a person wants to be associated with a party, they are expected to follow the party platform or they will be kicked out. (If they are elected they keep their position, but they are "independent".)

Is that incorrect? If not, I'm not seeing the relevance of the presidential platform. I know Biden didn't support defunding ICE.

It's not so easy to prevent a future government from doing something. Even constitutional change, which is usually a very high bar, can be overruled by a judge or ignored if people allow it.

I don't disagree.

Maybe the best protection is an informed, active public like in France? Not really sure -- what do you think?

I'm not sure what the protection you are referring to is.

I don't think anyone is saying there are no good choices and to just give up.

If you can't talk about what's wrong, you can't fix it.

Your brain on Blue No Matter Who

When someone forces me to confront something extremely stupid I said outside of my own deliberate framing it's called bad faith.

You're only allowed to talk to me in the same voice as my inner monologue.

removed you would phone bank for John McCain if he were alive today

You've voted for a Reagan clone in every election since you joined the age of majority

Uncultured swine

At this point, liberals think anyone disagreeing with them is inherently bad faith

If anything, Democrats present themselves as more competent at deporting and killing people in other countries

this us conflating immigration agencies before Trumps ICE redirect.

Twerp behavior

And I'm not incorrect. Unless you're lying out your ass and stayed home every election since 1980, you voted for a Reagan clone.

But the democrats didn't fund the same ICE as the new gestapo version of ICE now run by a fascist turnip, one that employs rape-bro psychos who shoot unarmed civilians for no good reason, one that built deliberately inhumane detention centre to illegally hold people without trial etc.

Lol. Did you even read what I said?

Done, see my other comments

Why didn't I hear about them ~execution~ executing wanton violence before?

Focking hell if that's true. So only thing that's changed much is that I am now more informed about what they do? (Yes, it is so hard for me to believe that I need this re-stated a few times)

Doubtful. The day it was found it was already an instrument for oppression, but just a gang of armed dumbheads with state approval of whatever they feel like doing? I am still clinging to hopeful thought that it's a "recent" development, not something that's been happening for decades

Because you didn't care

Try harder. Didn't hear != didn't care

Go back to reddit

Let's focus on what's going on now, shall we? Whatever happened before was what happened before. What is happening now will continue to happen if you spin info this way. Has there been any other party involved in funding? Has any of funding been included with a multitude of other items in a bill? Let's hear the whole story of every year - not just this cherry-picking intended to make the Democrats in Congress responsible for today's storm trouper ICE tactics.

I voted for Obama because Bush signed off on the Patriot Act. Obama expanded it. How am I supposed to think after that? That's why there's all these chilly situations happening.

How is anyone supposed to make an informed decision without considering past events? Ignore cause and effect?

Whatever happened before was what happened before.

I means this is MAGA level critical thinking.

funny thing is that he also got Nobel Peace Prize for literally nothing. Because he's a jam-up dude basically.

he also got Nobel Peace Prize for literally nothing

I believe this is the main reason Trump believes he deserves one too.

Curious, what did republicans do, given they're the alternative. Not voting isn't a protest, it's a scream to be ignored completely.